Defeatist Elitist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_StarCraft I knew Wist was going to bring up some StarCraft thing. New ranking list? I love how the top three are Zerg. :| Jaedong is the best thing since sliced bread mofo, no wonder he's rated so high. When Jaedong plays, he micros with his dick, you just can't see because he's moving so fucking fast.

I don't necessarily think this is true. (lol) Even though they are a "senate" which today has a bourgeois valence, in Begnion it does not at all represent "senate" as we understand it. Such positions are awarded on the basis of theological ("the sainted") and aristocratic (landholding nobles) merits. It is true that there is a focus on wealth earned by greed and on conspicuous consumption, but that is not uncharacteristic of aristocratic economic systems. Indeed, Capitalism is unique in that "startup" capitalists tend to view abstinence as a virtue, as any consumption takes away from the accumulation of more capital (which leads to more surplus). However, it is true that the mostly completed project of laguz emancipation indicates that Begnion is moving in a capitalist direction. Marx specifically states that slavery is a product of pre-capitalist economic systems. Capitalism is founded on the idea that workers freely choose to make a contract with the capitalist in which they rent out their labor for a time, and capitalism - an economic unity, singularity and totality - does not abide widespread existence of non-capitalist forms. A higher class exploiting a lower class is not indicative of capitalism - all it is indicative of is class conflict, which stretches back in history far before the dawn of capitalism. State attempts to appease the working class are simply a concession that oppression and exploitation is taking place, and an expression of the aristocrat's hope to remain in power on lesser terms because they know they cannot remain in power on the extremely oppressive terms in which they begin their reign. As long as an unproductive class uses rents, the ownership of land and of dead labor (capital), to make their living, there will be aristocratic exploitation, capitalist exploitation, or some kind of class exploitation. Moreover, although Ike has rejected the system, Crimea still exhibits a moral system in which the surplus is distributed according to ability rather than need - an equal metric is applied to justify an unequal distribution. Ike specifically recognized Elincia as his client - thus, not only is Elincia taking the throne the leader "putting herself in place" but the "dethroning of various leaders" is also, necessarily, not an action of the mercenaries but of Elincia, acting through the mercenaries. Although the laborers are the sole agents in production, the capitalist has claim to all the goods created on account of his purchase of the constant and variable capital involved in the production. Similarly, as Elincia purchased the services of the Greil Mercenaries, their deeds are hers (thus, it was Crimea's choice to give up Daien, not the GM's, as recognized in the beginning of Radiant Dawn. Tellius is shown to be firmly in a mindset in which the appropriation of labor by an exploitative class - whether it be aristocratic or capitalist - is implicitly justified. I would agree with this, in that services are at times rendered to people regardless of the reward involved - fighting for the sake of others is worthy of doing in and of itself, regardless of reward. Thus, there is no alienation within the GMs from the work that they do - it is not done in order to subsist, but for what it achieves in and of itself. However, as shown above, their most significant and protracted employments have been appropriated by others, and this leaves in question whether their own application of "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" is breeding this sentiment in others. In a communist society, such actions would not be "praiseworthy" but rather a very obvious and necessary distribution of the surplus. The fact that this is seen as an exceptional virtue shows that the people of Crimea are also stuck in a mindset in which the orphans do not strictly demand help from those who can give it (to the point where it is not virtuous to do what is required of you). Moreover, the sustaining of an Industrial Reserve Army is a hallmark of capitalism. Specifically, as capitalism pushes out domestic industry and non-industrial agriculture, non-capitalist sectors of employment decrease. Similarly, the floating form and the "lowest sediment" of the surplus population (which includes orphans) come to make up almost all of the Industrial Reserve Army, while the stagnant population and the non-industrial agricultural population (no shorter term is given in Capital that I know of) decrease. Thus the sustenance of the "lowest sediments" and the floating form (those unemployed as the result of layoffs in industrial sectors, still seeking work) becomes more vital for capitalism so that there is an excess of workers ready to be exploited when new sectors of production open. LoL. Salient points my friend, but you should realize that I am not implying that Communism is upon the continent, I am implying that the continent is changing and unbalanced, and ripe for revolution, and the cause of this change is the Greil Mercenaries, who are clearly Communist in nature. Whether the revolution will be Communist in nature, I do not know.

It's Rowan van Wersch, haha, I win the thread. Plus I've like told you guys a billion times, there is no excuse not to know.

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As an orthodox Marxist I deplore this point of view. The idea that a proletariat revolution can take place prior to a bourgeois revolution is a Leninist myth perpetuated by those who do not understand the historical tendencies outlined by the man who best understood capitalism. Moreover, the system perpetuated by the Crimean aristocrats is at best a crude communism, where "equal" rights are still posited even though a motto of "from each according to his means, to each according to his means" prevails (as seen in the attempt to give Ike peerage as a reward for his martial prowess). Thankfully, Comrade Ike refused to be bought so easily. But you see, Begnion is clearly ruled by the merchant class. It may not be apparent, but a well trained eye can spot the evils of Capitalism seeped into their society. I have a theory that a bourgeois revolution took place at a much earlier date, and this is why the Senate exists and the Apostle does not have complete power. Sure, they claim to be a Theocracy, but that's just a farce, and the apostle a figurehead, put up by the wealthy senators as they control government through their sickening affluence and wealth pilfered from the common people. While Crimea is far from perfect, they have made great progress, especially compared to the disgustingly corpulent Begnion and the ultra retarded Daien. Comrade Ike is a real man of the people, and thus he choose to live like the people, and this explains why he lives on in the hearts and minds of the masses even after his disappearance. It is also clear that Queen Elincia intends to continue this trend, as she shows great interest in helping the common person of Crimea. I have formulated additional ideas as well: "Crepe Knight says (11:50 PM): Well Oliver joined them The mercenaries that is He's a bourgeoise Right? I don't remember the game too well anymore sadly ZXValaRevan says (11:50 PM): Oliver's love lies in beauty, and the mercenaries helped him realize that beauty can be obtained through means other than the subjugation of the common man Crepe Knight says (11:51 PM): He would be a patron of the revolution, nevermind Hm The Begnion Pegasus knights, didn't some of them join the mercenaries? They're class A bourgeoise, I'm sure ZXValaRevan says (11:52 PM): The Pegasus Knights are servants of the deposed Apostle of Begnion. Obviously it would be preferable for them to join the revolution and gain sympathy from the masses, as opposed to continuing to be puppets for the senators conniving Capitalist schemes ZXValaRevan says (11:53 PM): They may not share the spirit of the revolution, but they realize it is an invaluable tool for winning back their nation and reverting to a theocratic system" Even more research has been performed! "Crepe Knight says (11:55 PM): Sadly, a fatal flaw in proposing the mercenaries as agents of the communist revolution is that they are a REACTIONARY force; they revert societies to their previous social organizations (a step backwards on the Marxist social evolution scale), even if the installed rulers have different sympathies than their previous leaders did ZXValaRevan says (11:55 PM): untruee ZXValaRevan says (11:56 PM): As you will notice, the Greil Mercenaries are in fact responsible for the dethroning of various leaders Crepe Knight says (11:56 PM): But they replace them with the 'proper' leaders ZXValaRevan says (11:56 PM): But they didn't do the replacing The proper leaders just put themselves in place The Greil Mercenaries never specifically installed a leader Crepe Knight says (11:57 PM): I find this to be a problem of your semantics ZXValaRevan says (11:57 PM): They in fact gave up their claim to the rule of Daien Crepe Knight says (11:57 PM): The fact is, their actions directly lead to the 'proper' leader ZXValaRevan says (11:57 PM): Indeed Crepe Knight says (11:57 PM): 's assumption of control ZXValaRevan says (11:57 PM): Clearly They are INEPT Communists Very good at fighting Not so good at cause and effect Crepe Knight says (11:58 PM): I can accept that, as their ideals are extremely communistic ZXValaRevan says (11:58 PM): Or perhaps this is all part of their grand scheme, to create a government against which the people can more easily rally? I am unsure at the moment, further study is most definitely needed Crepe Knight says (12:00 AM): It's a society in motion We need a sequel to determine the effects of their actions ZXValaRevan says (12:00 AM): Indeed Sadly the hero of the revolution, Comrade Ike, left the continent However ZXValaRevan says (12:01 AM): Perhaps he has returned to the motherland to report and formulate a more perfect plan? Maybe he simply wants to watch his seeds of revolution sprout ZXValaRevan says (12:02 AM): This is also clearly alluded to in the ending blurbs for character's such as Nephenee As it says that she answers the call to defend her homeland on numerous occasions Implying that there continues to be unrest on a rather large scale ZXValaRevan says (12:03 AM): It is also unclear if she intends to literally defend her homeland, and its government, or whether she is defending her homeland by overthrowing her government Crepe Knight says (12:04 AM): True; was not her introduction in Radiant Dawn involving fighting off her own repressive government? Or were those bandits, which result from her government's failure? ZXValaRevan says (12:05 AM): She defended the realm from an attempt at an uprising However the uprising was that of a Dictator who wished to maintain the status quo and plunge the nation into further war Crepe Knight says (12:08 AM): Ah, he wanted a reversion to the more feudal society where he would recieve more power (as well as the revolutionary leader), because under Elincia power was consolidated into central government, which IS a step forward by the Marxist idea of social evolution ZXValaRevan says (12:08 AM): Indeed ZXValaRevan says (12:09 AM): The people of Crimea praise the Elincia government multiple times, for being, like her father's, a step forward, and for being a different type of leader than those in the past a quote includes her "looking after orphans" ZXValaRevan says (12:10 AM): clearly an example of clever redistribution of wealth in a way that would capture the hearts of the people and not cause too much disruption with the upper class I forsee that the new Fire Emblem game will include several new weapon types ZXValaRevan says (12:11 AM): Pitchforks, ranging from Bronze to Silver, and including Killer and Brave varieties will be common As will other farm implements Crepe Knight says (12:11 AM): Sickles ZXValaRevan says (12:11 AM): I also suspect that broken architecture will serve as a prominent form of projectile ZXValaRevan says (12:12 AM): Perhaps a looting or seizing system will be implented They could call it "Liberation" You would be able to liberate materials from the various businesses you would encounter in the urban maps In addition You could capture the means of production Giving your people's army a more reliable supply of resources Crepe Knight says (12:13 AM): Quite so"

Trust me bro, you'll never remove the FE4 thread, it is exempt from the rules. It is indestructable.

I am a rock! I am an i-i-island!

JE ME MANGE!

It's a secret, only few people know. And probably already forgot. wait I remember it you had it on your profile page when you first joined. You know, schizophrenia is a serious disorder that ruins some people's lives. You shouldn't joke about it here.

But some people are pretty bad at ignoring, dunno why.

That sir, was just pure gold... Pure potatoes comrade, the use of precious but useless metals to indicate worth is just one of the many tools that are used to control the common man and put him down! The use of Gold as currency should be outlawed outright, instead each person would be issued with vouchers that could be exchanged for the equipment they required. For example, Titania could have a Speedwing voucher that she could trade in for a Speedwing, as it is determined that her need of it, combined with the glory she will bring to her comrades from its use is greater than that of the other members of our glorious revolution.

Dude. You all forgot the Heart Gold/Soul Silver Game Corner music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQHNQ6jB8OI&

Money is for the bourgeoisie, and the Greil Mercenaries are just too cool for that. They're clearly an undercover section of the Red Army planning to spread Communism to other dimensions. This is why they support such rulers as Elincia who support the proletariat as opposed to those in Begnion who are filthy Capitalist pigs. They are immediately comrades with the common folk because they both understand what it is like to suffer under the yolk of the manager, the business owner, the tyrant!

Gonna get repooooooooorted! I can't be reported, Nishi is ignoring me, remember? I have to assume he can at least do that right!

Yeah, that's what I meant. As for 3-P strategy, I'm using Ike and the two Healers (though I'll probably eat the Tits penalty), so yeah, I need SOMETHING.

Alright, did 1-E in 1 turn. Holy shit. That is so fucking weird. The Thunder Sage attacks and then Ludveck attacks at 1 Range. I'm tripping out here man. Formulating a 3-P strategy.

I have the opposite problem. I hate sleep. Any time during the day, if I lie in bed (which I often naively do, forgetting what happens every single other time I do it) I fall asleep within an hour and don't wake up until like noon the next day or until someone forces me to.

Love is for girls and gays.

You're fucking retarded. Get a new-WAITAMINUTE

Fixed. KotOR 2 blew. Stop posting. Careful, he might just take you way too seriously and very vocally put you on ignore, then continue to read your posts and overreact to them despite the fact he is supposed to be ignoring them.

I'm sorry, every time I hear Little Big Planet, or Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts, I think "inferior version of G-Mod".

So you wankers have to resort to this shit already?

So you wankers have to resort to this shit already?

Clearly you have never ever heard the music of Neil Young.

So, is there anyone here other than me who listens to K'Naan? Being Canadian, I heard (well, actually, saw) him on Q, and thought he was pretty cool. By far his most famous song is Wavin' Flag, and you can hear the , or the more upbeatish version.