Fenrir Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 (but then Narga left and I was willing to take it back, so yeah). Anyway...someone make a list of changes that was decided on. I hadn't changed anything because I wanted things to settle so I could make them all at once, and since I'm now accepting Oscar > Nephenee it looks like that time has come. Is narga gone for good? :( yay! Oscar(t) > Mia? anybody? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted July 30, 2011 Author Share Posted July 30, 2011 Is narga gone for good? :( Oscar(t) > Mia? anybody? Who knows? I believe that was agreed on, even by me. 23 vs 21 AS really does make a big difference. Boyd (T) was also set to go up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrir Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Yeah, Boyd(t) > Gatrie(n) I don't know what was decided about Gatrie(t) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuglyoshi Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 That mindset, which people think they need all SS weapon types, makes absolutely no sense to me. I have never played through the game using all SS weapons. I don't think people go for 'all SS weapons', but at the very least, they like to have at least one user of swords/axes/lances/bows. It's not just because of SS weapons, but because if you don't use one of those weapon types, you end up with a bunch of useless weapons in your convoy that you have to sell for half their value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant Dragon Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 I don't think people go for 'all SS weapons', but at the very least, they like to have at least one user of swords/axes/lances/bows. It's not just because of SS weapons, but because if you don't use one of those weapon types, you end up with a bunch of useless weapons in your convoy that you have to sell for half their value. You say that as if selling useless stuff for money for forges, etc. is a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrir Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 I don't think people go for 'all SS weapons', but at the very least, they like to have at least one user of swords/axes/lances/bows. It's not just because of SS weapons, but because if you don't use one of those weapon types, you end up with a bunch of useless weapons in your convoy that you have to sell for half their value. Radiant's right for sure, what does making some money hurt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuglyoshi Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 It's more about the psychological aspect of the average player not wanting to sell items (especially cool Killer/Brave weapons) for half their value, and also wanting a 'balanced' team that incorporates all the main weapon types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 lolololololol easymodefag. Hahaha. Poor Soren. 8[ It's more about the psychological aspect of the average player not wanting to sell items (especially cool Killer/Brave weapons) for half their value, and also wanting a 'balanced' team that incorporates all the main weapon types. Yeah I have the habit of selling things I won't use, regardless of their value. 8[ It's probably a bad habit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soren37 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Hahaha. Poor Soren. 8[ Meh. It's either debate here or debate on FEP. Debating on FEP involves saying that Edward and Soren aren't great and then starting up hate. When it was active. So, here's about the only place I can debate. I'll finish NM one of these days...somehow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Yeah I have the habit of selling things I won't use, regardless of their value. 8[ It's probably a bad habit. Hey, I sell things I want to use later, and sometimes regret it. But usually there's another way to accomplish the same objective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrir Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Hahaha. Poor Soren. 8[ Yeah I have the habit of selling things I won't use, regardless of their value. 8[ It's probably a bad habit. >:D I sell things too much. in my current draft PT I have 100k gold. & i absolutely love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 It's more about the psychological aspect of the average player not wanting to sell items (especially cool Killer/Brave weapons) for half their value, and also wanting a 'balanced' team that incorporates all the main weapon types. I don't think it's so much that you get half the value as it is that these items are rare and powerful and the player wants to hang onto them "just in case". Even if they sold for their full value they probably still wouldn't sell them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 It's more about the psychological aspect of the average player not wanting to sell items (especially cool Killer/Brave weapons) for half their value, and also wanting a 'balanced' team that incorporates all the main weapon types. I don't think it's so much that you get half the value as it is that these items are rare and powerful and the player wants to hang onto them "just in case". Even if they sold for their full value they probably still wouldn't sell them. This link says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted July 31, 2011 Author Share Posted July 31, 2011 This link says it all. Damn it, you linked TvTropes. There goes the next few hours of my life. Also I noticed this: A severe Nerf was installed after Path of Radiance that led to this trope applying to your best swords or even whole characters in Radiant Dawn. In Path of Radiance, a special scroll offers swordmasters the ability to randomly trigger Astra, a 5-hit combo dealing half damage per hit. A normal swordmaster's max damage with one attack is a critical hit, which is 3x normal. But with Astra, the max is 5 half-damage criticals, or an effective 7.5x normal damage. However, in RD, the ability to critical during Astra was nixed, meaning that you could only do 2.5x normal damage in 5 attacks. On top of that, by the time you have characters with this skill, you've got all sorts of powerful swords that you're afraid to use once, let alone 5 times. The real kicker though is that unlike in Path of Radiance, your characters automatically gain the Astra skill, and it cannot be removed... You are forced between sitting out your super-powerful trueblades, giving them weak weapons that will last long enough but not kill anything, or watching in furious agony as they waste an entire 20-use Infinity Plus One Sword on two enemy generals they could have dealt more damage to in 4 critical hits instead. Sounds like someone didn't realize that Astra in RD doesn't cut the damage in half. Also, the only arguable "Infinity Plus One" Swords are the Vague Katti and Alondite, the first of which is 50-use and the second of which is infinite. So yeah. Although I guess Tempest Blades may count, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrir Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Also I noticed this: A severe Nerf was installed after Path of Radiance that led to this trope applying to your best swords or even whole characters in Radiant Dawn. In Path of Radiance, a special scroll offers swordmasters the ability to randomly trigger Astra, a 5-hit combo dealing half damage per hit. A normal swordmaster's max damage with one attack is a critical hit, which is 3x normal. But with Astra, the max is 5 half-damage criticals, or an effective 7.5x normal damage. However, in RD, the ability to critical during Astra was nixed, meaning that you could only do 2.5x normal damage in 5 attacks. On top of that, by the time you have characters with this skill, you've got all sorts of powerful swords that you're afraid to use once, let alone 5 times. The real kicker though is that unlike in Path of Radiance, your characters automatically gain the Astra skill, and it cannot be removed... You are forced between sitting out your super-powerful trueblades, giving them weak weapons that will last long enough but not kill anything, or watching in furious agony as they waste an entire 20-use Infinity Plus One Sword on two enemy generals they could have dealt more damage to in 4 critical hits instead. That's the stupidest shit I've read all day. basically there going, "No don't get adept, i didn't want him to die D:<" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilmik11 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 I know this may sound stupid, but why is Tanith so high? She's above Kieran, who is your second most powerful unit out of the CRK, and Tormod, who has a solid part 1 performance.Tanith arrive as Lv.16 Falco Knight, and she needs EXP to promote, which is kinda in high demand, for some units that could use it better.I'd place her above Callil. Btw, why Calill>Soren? Soren needs less babying than her to function well, and he's more helpful in his chapter than her in the CRK. Oh yeah,this is my first time at this, so even if what I'm saying doesn't make sense please be nice with me :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrir Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 I know this may sound stupid, but why is Tanith so high? She's above Kieran, who is your second most powerful unit out of the CRK, and Tormod, who has a solid part 1 performance.Tanith arrive as Lv.16 Falco Knight, and she needs EXP to promote, which is kinda in high demand, for some units that could use it better.I'd place her above Callil. Btw, why Calill>Soren? Soren needs less babying than her to function well, and he's more helpful in his chapter than her in the CRK. Oh yeah,this is my first time at this, so even if what I'm saying doesn't make sense please be nice with me :) Basically, Tanith beats out Kieran because she's very helpful on 3-11, contributes on 3-E, does fine on 4-P and does amazing in the desert. Soren does little more than chip damage in HM, which you could argue callil does the same, but when you have barely any units chip damage means alot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbasol Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 I tried focusing on leveling Meg so much this time through juuuuust to see if she could become valuable. She's still easily the worst unit on my team. Lol, I have a soft spot for Generals though... Haar's been my go to hands down, makes sense that it seems that way for everyone lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soren37 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Out of curiousity, the BK is above Tibarn. Should the two be switched around? I know the BK saves a lot of turns in P1, but Tibarn just cleans up P4, and (as far as I can tell) could save more turns than the BK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted July 31, 2011 Author Share Posted July 31, 2011 Out of curiousity, the BK is above Tibarn. Should the two be switched around? I know the BK saves a lot of turns in P1, but Tibarn just cleans up P4, and (as far as I can tell) could save more turns than the BK. BK is really hard to tier and it may honestly be worth taking him off. As for Tibarn, while he's pretty great, don't overestimate him; he's not required for most quick clear strategies of 4-5, and with his availability even one map means something (though BK has fewer). As for actual turns saved, there's no way Tibarn saves more than BK, who has practically infinite utility on 1-9. I don't know how many Tibarn saved on his own, but I don't think it's going to be substantially high. Also, we need a new name for Lyre tier, because that's really boring. Give me some failure suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Princess Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 (edited) I think Lyre tier should become Kurth&Oliver tier while Lyre moves back to Bottom ^^' Edited July 31, 2011 by Queen_Kittylincia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Also, we need a new name for Lyre tier, because that's really boring. Give me some failure suggestions. How about... SSB64 Link's Recovery tier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M. Gei Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 (edited) Snowy_One Tier? Unfunny joke tier? Edited July 31, 2011 by Chiki's Pet Pikachu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 I suggest: -Takes Strategy To Use and Is The Player's Fault That They Suck Tier- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soren37 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Atari E.T. tier? ;_; Tier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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