Florete Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 Which Hawk do you prefer/think is better? Ulki is generally considered better, but I think Janaff takes the win for a slightly superior start and quicker access to Tear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykan12 Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 (edited) Janaff is the better hawk as he has a higher base str and growth along with needing one less level of BEXP to get a satori sign (what you said basically). Sure, Ulki has more durability, but it's a pretty small lead when you consider how durable Janaff is in the first place. At base level he's got 57 hp, 24 def, 16 res and 113 avo. With an A Ulki support and a couple levels, that goes up to 59 hp, 29 def, 16 res and 127 avo. In comparison, Ike doesn't hit 29 def until 20/6 and Mia won't hit 122 avo with an A thunder/wind/dark support until 20/9. As for offence, Janaff has 34 spd which is enough to double anything until 4-E(4) and will easily hit his 40 spd cap which is enough to double auras without Nasir. Then for attack power, he starts off with 40 MT, which allows him to ORKO part 3 wyverns and even some generals, and that's without any consideration towards his 82% chance of landing adept/tear at neutral bio. Without giving him any levels, getting his strike to SS and giving him his support has him already have 52 MT, which is just 3 short of Ike's MT with max str and the ragnell equipped. In contrast, Ulki's base str is 2 lower, or 4 when factoring in transformation and it won't be growing too fast with a 25% str growth. Thus he'll have trouble killing upper end enemies in part 3 without a skill procurage (which is admittedly high nonetheless) and will have trouble at other points where Janaff's 4-5 point advantage may have him only scraping by on certain enemy types. Though, those numbers should make it pretty clear that the hawks are winsauce units that are completely underrated because people either don't like laguz or they'd rather use royals or something. I dunno how you wouldn't want to use them in part 3 when they're basically Haars with 1 range and slight transformation issues, but that's just me. Edited December 25, 2008 by Vykan12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xanatha Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 I just prefere Janaff, mostly for his personality. I laughed like an idiot when Janaff told Tibarn to shut up in the info convo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 Though, those numbers should make it pretty clear that the hawks are winsauce units that are completely underrated because people either don't like laguz or they'd rather use royals or something. Or perhaps because they've got some availability problems, and people are usually short on spots on endgame anyway, where there's like five Laguz royals waiting to squeeze themselves in as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykan12 Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 They have 13 chapters of availability, which is mediocre. Still, even if you don't bring them to 4-E, they're mighty useful along the way. I mean Janaff can tie Naesala's base attack with S strike and a strength lvl-up or 2 strength lvl-ups and a C support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufasa Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 I prefer Ulki actually. He has the extra avoid thing. (Doesn't he?) And that's really helpful I find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bros Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 (edited) I prefer Ulki actually. He has the extra avoid thing. (Doesn't he?) And that's really helpful I find. I agree I think avoid is way more important than hit. He also has enough hit to start with. Edited December 25, 2008 by luigi bros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 vykan's first post pretty much outlined why Janaff has other advantages that beat out a 20 avo skill neither of them needs anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sangosan Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 I like both of them, but I prefer Janaff because Ulki is scary because of the reasons Vykan12 already mentioned. And his Avoid is already so high that he'll survive easily unless he runs into too many archers, but that'd be stupid anyways >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Sothe Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 Jannaf, because... Well, I had personnal experience and I think that Jannaf was better (More spd and more skill is more important that MEGA str) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Poleax Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 I personally dont use either of them but I like Janaff's personality better. I forgot which of them was better when I played as them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 My favorite would be Ulki, and the fact that he scares people is awesome. He seems like a Hawk who would be in a horror movie, and Ulki would probably kill everyone in it. The extra dodge is nice too. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saaji Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 I prefer Janaff as he looks pretty cool, and he's damn easy to use from the get go like some have said already, honestly my only problem with laguz is they get no experience So I could wipe out an entire map with the hawks but they'd barely get a level if even that. I used Janaff as a filler unit in my last full play through and well he out did some of my units who were supposed to be on my final team for long long time. >_> I'm looking at you Nephenee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGV Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 Janaff because he's Tibarn's right arm. Left arm is not as good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykan12 Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 (edited) honestly my only problem with laguz is they get no experience So I could wipe out an entire map with the hawks but they'd barely get a level if even that. They still gain strike level and are best raised principally off of BEXP. In the hawks' case, not even that much BEXP since they are only 11-12 levels away from max level and only really need to reach lv 35-36 to be aura-ready. Edited December 25, 2008 by Vykan12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Sothe Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 The only thing I don't like on Jannaf is that he have a +20% to hit but he on't need hit, he should have a +20% avois instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykan12 Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 The only thing I don't like about Caneighis is he has too much attack. He should have too much speed instead. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saaji Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 They still gain strike level and are best raised principally off of BEXP. In the hawks' case, not even that much BEXP since they are only 11-12 levels away from max level and only really need to reach lv 35-36 to be aura-ready. You make a good point, I may consider trying using one of them for my current play through.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 The only thing I don't like about Caneighis is he has too much attack. He should have too much speed instead.:P It's like you read my mind! I'm surprised so many people voted didn't vote for Ulki, maybe he looks too much like a killer to be voted for lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 Janaff because of his strength is higher..he has better chance of killing his target..Ulki has bomb crit rate but not so good strength..i use both and give them both Tear most of the time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom103 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I prefer Uki because Janaff looks like a girl and is really a guy -_- And Uki is 10X cooler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanarkin Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I have always prefered Ulki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Neither because I prefer Tibarn. Since I don't have a choice I pick Ulki just out of my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Shiu and Watch Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Janaff Ulki creeps me out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Judy Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Janaff soley because Ulki looks weird =/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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