Not Changed by VASM :( Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 (edited) It should just list the content in the game instead of giving an artificial rating. Having a rating system is generally inefficient and does nothing but attach a stigma to a game (IE: E=Teh Kiddeys, M=The Devil's Game About Rape) God forbid parents actually look into the games and use the content to decide what their kids should play, instead of just using an artificial letter system. Edited December 28, 2008 by Toa Lord Sothe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Changed by VASM :( Posted December 28, 2008 Author Share Posted December 28, 2008 And bump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatrie: Guns Blazing Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 i believe this goes back to my "E10" discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Changed by VASM :( Posted December 28, 2008 Author Share Posted December 28, 2008 i believe this goes back to my "E10" discussion Yes that would be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny Hero Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 They do give a general rating of why. Like "comic misceif" or "alcohol/drugs" or whatnot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noremaC Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 I think what he is saying is how games are generated into what age groups should play them, E is for little kids, T is for 12-16 and M is for 17+ but it should not have it like that but the rating system should be about what is in the games and what extent it is to, more than those little notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Changed by VASM :( Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 I think what he is saying is how games are generated into what age groups should play them, E is for little kids, T is for 12-16 and M is for 17+ but it should not have it like that but the rating system should be about what is in the games and what extent it is to, more than those little notes. Exactly. Having a content system would be much more effective thena letter system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noremaC Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 :) Also the letter system makes it seems like E games are childish...... >:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Changed by VASM :( Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 :) Also the letter system makes it seems like E games are childish...... >:( It's a double edged sword. People get it in their heads that. E=Kiddy Games. M=Devil Porn. And while sometimes those can be true their are far more exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defeatist Elitist Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 How the fuck is Radiant Dawn rated E? :P I mean, it's about genocide, massive warfare, blah blah, and they mention "selling" Micaiah at least twice in the first chapter, not to mention the rest of the themes in the game. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwolf_UK Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 How the fuck is Radiant Dawn rated E? :P It isn't. It is rated Everyone 10+. As for how. You know how games are ESRB rated, right? Basically a video sample of the games content is sent to the ratings board along with some money (if your company earns less than a certain amount it is less money) and a panel watches it (IIRC this panel includes random members of the public) seeing what boxes the game ticks and from that a rating is formed. It is worth noting it is the only Fire Emblem to have Mild Language as a content indicator. Here in Europe all the FEs are 7+ with Violence indicator except Radiant Dawn. That is 12+ with the bad language indicator So basically a mirror of the US ratings...also weirdly Radiant Dawn is the only game that they tell us when it was rated; November 12th 2007, aproximently 5 months before release :( Now the Australian OFLC (this rating system fails because some corrupt politician who doesn't like videogames won't allow videogames to get the highest ratings; R18+ and X18+ meaning games either don't come out or get censored down to MA15+ requirements) is where things get interesting... Radiant Danw is M rated (that is basically an ESRB T rating) with Moderate themes, Moderate violence Shadow Dragon is PG with Mild themes and violence Path of Radiance is M again but this time with Moderate fantasy violence Sacred Stones is PG but with Mild fantasy violence And FE7 is G8+ with Medium level animated violence I love the consistancy in the consumer advice/content indicators...games with the exact same graphics have totally different indicators and ratings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Changed by VASM :( Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 Now the Australian OFLC (this rating system fails because some corrupt politician who doesn't like videogames won't allow videogames to get the highest ratings; R18+ and X18+ meaning games either don't come out or get censored down to MA15+ requirements) is where things get interesting...Radiant Danw is M rated (that is basically an ESRB T rating) with Moderate themes, Moderate violence Shadow Dragon is PG with Mild themes and violence Path of Radiance is M again but this time with Moderate fantasy violence Sacred Stones is PG but with Mild fantasy violence And FE7 is G8+ with Medium level animated violence Wow... Aussie ratings are more screwed then americans... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnell Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 I think ratings are ok, they are just going about it wrong. They should specifically say what age group it would be best for. If it's appropriate for kids over 15, then say it. And I also think the little comments are the most important part of the ratings. If I see mild violence on the label, then I know I can handle it easy. If I see blood and gore, sexual content, constant swearing, ect. (these probably aren't real comments, I made them up) then I probably won't get the game. And yet again, the ratings are just ways for parents to figure what their kid should be playing. While actually researching the game would be best, most parents don't have time to look at every game their children buys or receives. So ratings can help. Plus, many kids I know were playing M games at the age of 10 anyway. Great parenting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paper Jam Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 It isn't. It is rated Everyone 10+. As for how. You know how games are ESRB rated, right? Basically a video sample of the games content is sent to the ratings board along with some money (if your company earns less than a certain amount it is less money) and a panel watches it (IIRC this panel includes random members of the public) seeing what boxes the game ticks and from that a rating is formed. It is worth noting it is the only Fire Emblem to have Mild Language as a content indicator.Here in Europe all the FEs are 7+ with Violence indicator except Radiant Dawn. That is 12+ with the bad language indicator So basically a mirror of the US ratings...also weirdly Radiant Dawn is the only game that they tell us when it was rated; November 12th 2007, aproximently 5 months before release :( Now the Australian OFLC (this rating system fails because some corrupt politician who doesn't like videogames won't allow videogames to get the highest ratings; R18+ and X18+ meaning games either don't come out or get censored down to MA15+ requirements) is where things get interesting... Radiant Danw is M rated (that is basically an ESRB T rating) with Moderate themes, Moderate violence Shadow Dragon is PG with Mild themes and violence Path of Radiance is M again but this time with Moderate fantasy violence Sacred Stones is PG but with Mild fantasy violence And FE7 is G8+ with Medium level animated violence I love the consistancy in the consumer advice/content indicators...games with the exact same graphics have totally different indicators and ratings... In the United States, FE7 is rated E, FE8 is rated E, FE9 is rated T, and FE10 is rated E10+. Notwithstanding the possibility that FE9 might have been released before the ESRB made up the E10+ rating, is there any logical reason why FE9 has a stricter rating than FE10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Wozzeck Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Now the Australian OFLC (this rating system fails because some corrupt politician who doesn't like videogames won't allow videogames to get the highest ratings; R18+ and X18+ meaning games either don't come out or get censored down to MA15+ requirements) is where things get interesting...Radiant Danw is M rated (that is basically an ESRB T rating) with Moderate themes, Moderate violence Shadow Dragon is PG with Mild themes and violence Path of Radiance is M again but this time with Moderate fantasy violence Sacred Stones is PG but with Mild fantasy violence And FE7 is G8+ with Medium level animated violence I love the consistancy in the consumer advice/content indicators...games with the exact same graphics have totally different indicators and ratings... IIRC, the computer game Phantasmagoria was banned in Australia for excessive gore (when said gore really only happens on the last CD of the game), witchcraft, and rape because of said politician. But seriously, that's pretty stupid of people to not only be inconsistent with ratings, but to not give games their highest ratings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Changed by VASM :( Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 If I see blood and gore, sexual content, constant swearing. All excpet the last one are real content labels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Tyler Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 You do know the people who review ESRB games and such aren't mostly gamers. Sure, you do have a lot of gamers, but you also have religious leaders, teachers, child care, child devoplement people, etc. You honesty expect them to take time off from their busy lives to play and look for any offensive content in games? Also, it's not the ESRB job (nor it is the Government's) to say who can and can't play which games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Changed by VASM :( Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 You do know the people who review ESRB games and such aren't mostly gamers. Sure, you do have a lot of gamers, but you also have religious leaders, teachers, child care, child devoplement people, etc. You honesty expect them to take time off from their busy lives to play and look for any offensive content in games?Also, it's not the ESRB job (nor it is the Government's) to say who can and can't play which games. That was sort of my point but whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Poleax Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 The rating system is alright but something bothers me. Why are swear words censored in T rated games? Most teenagers know most, if not, all the swear words anyways and its not like its gonna make them start swearing more often than they already do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Considering no game is required to be sent into the ESRB for rating, who cares? If they wanted to, all game producers could just release their games unrated, but ratings actually help sell because it gives people a better understanding of what they will get from a game. Kind of ironic considering all the complaints that nobody even pays attention to ratings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Wow...Aussie ratings are more screwed then americans... DON'T USE THE WORD IF YOU'RE NOT ONE Actually, I always thought that the American ratings didn't make much sense and were less... "stylish". The worst part of our rating system would be the lack of R ratings. What. The. Bloody. Hell. No More Heroes was completely butchered; people EXPLODE INTO COINS rather than getting decapitated, sex (yay!) was removed from GTA4, and Silent Hill: Homecoming was banned until further notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamara Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 (edited) Considering no game is required to be sent into the ESRB for rating, who cares? If they wanted to, all game producers could just release their games unrated, but ratings actually help sell because it gives people a better understanding of what they will get from a game. Kind of ironic considering all the complaints that nobody even pays attention to ratings. It's mostly because of stores covering their own asses. Many chain stores don't sell AO and Not Rated games, because they want to ruin that family-fun image. Sales of M-rated games are restricted. So publishers will want a rating that fits their target audience. Sometimes small edits are made to go from a M to a T-rating (example: Xenosaga series). You know what didn't make sense? European rating before PEGI. I have some old games with up to three different rating on the box. Vandal Hearts: USK (German rating system): 16+ SELL (French rating system): 12+ ELSPA (parts of Europe): 11+ Edited January 1, 2009 by Tamara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwolf_UK Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Considering no game is required to be sent into the ESRB for rating, who cares? If they wanted to, all game producers could just release their games unrated No they couldn't. No retailer on earth would dare take the games unrated in this day and age as the retailer would be the one who takes the flak if the unrated Super Gore Adventures isn't suitable for Children. "There was notrhing on the box to suggest..." or "How was I supposed to know Super Gore Adventures was violent?". Here in Europe there actually is one commercial release which has gone unrated. 100 Classic Book Collection for DS which came out just last week. Its quite simple really. Books are not rated. The game is basically a gimped E-book reader (cartridge has 100 public domain books with more to be found online...though only about 10 can be saved to cartridge). The worst part of our rating system would be the lack of R ratings. What. The. Bloody. Hell. No More Heroes was completely butchered; people EXPLODE INTO COINS rather than getting decapitated, sex (yay!) was removed from GTA4, and Silent Hill: Homecoming was banned until further notice. No More Heroes is not a result of the rating system. That is due to Rising Star games being a European subsidary of the Japanese publsiher Mavelous, so getting the Japanese version (the Japanese are a bit squeamish about their blood and decapitations). In America, UBIsoft was publisher but on one condition. Blood was added so a version 1.1 of the game was made for America. If Rising Star games didn't exist you'ld have a bloody No More Heroes. If it makes you feel better America didn't get the comic book instruction manual :( Also, I think Suda51 and Rising Star games feel bad about this, I think the sequel will come out in both forms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 No they couldn't. No retailer on earth would dare take the games unrated in this day and age as the retailer would be the one who takes the flak if the unrated Super Gore Adventures isn't suitable for Children. "There was notrhing on the box to suggest..." or "How was I supposed to know Super Gore Adventures was violent?". I know that. What I meant is that there is no law requiring a game to be rated by the ESRB. Obviously it won't sell well, that's been established. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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