grandjackal Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) I think it's well established that Gordon > Chiki and Kashim > Gordon. They'll be moving around based on adjacent characters at this point.I can see Kashim going above Elren, unless Elren's usefulness outweighs Kashim's. Oh, NOW someone else brings it up. I'll let Nathan and Paisan-o Sweet Tooth continue with Chiki, since they seem to be great inseperable lifelong lovers starbound by destiny. Kashim's great stats and mobility and greatest benefactor of dragonvalley parthia use AND earlier use of making defending the twins go form troublesome to a cakewalk AND laughing at the entire Kahdain military>being outclassed by every other mage. I almost find it hilarious. YUBELLO and Kashim is a debate. EDIT: Wait, he needs a manual to use Parthia, my bad. Greatest benefactor, but needs resources for that in the first place. My bad. Still better than Elren being meh. Edited February 12, 2009 by Grandjackal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Greatest benefactor? Try only. I can't think of one character in this game that actually gives a damn about Weapon skill in this game. Apart from Doga. But he sucks anyway. And he only really needs it for Gradius. Which you can just give him the other manual for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Greatest benefactor? Try only. I can't think of one character in this game that actually gives a damn about Weapon skill in this game. Apart from Doga. But he sucks anyway. And he only really needs it for Gradius. Which you can just give him the other manual for. Not the only. Gordon benefits from it. His growths don't COMPLETELY blow. Just Ryan isn't using it and George doesn't need it except for weakening the fire/ice dragons. Kashim still benefits greatest though. But still not the only. For how late you get Gradius, wouldn't Doga have the weapon level by then anyways, or does he literally average out to less than able? Not that it matters much, Gradius has a whole 4 chapters of use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 When I said sole benefactor I was referring to the manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) Also, Palla might actually have a chance of>Sirius... There's a dragon whip in C7, Palla's probably gonna get it because Shiida sucks and Catria could use a few more levels for the one in C9. She gets a hueg defense boost from it and she has the shield to negate arrows [granted she's sharing it with catria but meh she'll rape any archer before they get close to her anyway] Anyawy, over Sirius, that means she wins move because of flight, and now wins durability, plus she has access to the lady sword on indoor chapters for all the good that does her. It's very possible, anyway. edit: god damnit i'm an idiot I thought I was editing my last post Edited February 12, 2009 by Sweet Tooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) Also, Palla might actually have a chance of>Sirius...There's a dragon whip in C7, Palla's probably gonna get it because Shiida sucks and Catria could use a few more levels for the one in C9. She gets a hueg defense boost from it and she has the shield to negate arrows [granted she's sharing it with catria but meh she'll rape any archer before they get close to her anyway] Anyawy, over Sirius, that means she wins move because of flight, and now wins durability, plus she has access to the lady sword on indoor chapters for all the good that does her. It's very possible, anyway. edit: god damnit i'm an idiot I thought I was editing my last post Oh, for the MANUAL. Ok. Not like you don't get three over the course of the game (bridge general, wastelands, some other place I can't currently remember). ....Wow...I brought up Paula being over Sirius and NOW it's being discussed!? Come on...She was basically equal to him without the whip anyways. Flight alone should put her above him. Edited February 12, 2009 by Grandjackal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Spoon Posted February 12, 2009 Author Share Posted February 12, 2009 I could see her going over Sirius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Paola goes up next revision. I know she was proven to be > Sirius already, but I had forgotten. Does anyone disagree with Kashim being above Elren? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) nah winning offense, durability, and move>>>>>>>>>>>>melee counter also level leads and partia spam. Yeah he's not the only one who can do it but he's bar-none the best bow user so he'll certainly get to do it far more often than he won't. Edited February 13, 2009 by Sweet Tooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Spoon Posted February 13, 2009 Author Share Posted February 13, 2009 I'd put Kashim above him. Also, don't call him castor oil anymore. I think that castor oil is used as a laxitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) This is quite possibly the only time a Pegasus Knight is the best character in any FE game. Kashim bumped up. =Top Tier= Paola Sirius Katua Oguma Marth Linda =High Tier= Nabarl Feena Chainy Minerva Wendel Cecil Kain Roddy Luke Marisa Maric =Mid Tier= Julian Yubello Kashim Elren Yumina Sheeda Abel George ==Low Tier== Gordon Doga Samuto Machis Ryan Ricardo Medea Banetou Astoria =Bottom Tier= Alan Chiki Warren Roshe =Bishop tier, based on hawtness= Lena Maria Elice Nyna =Fail= Est Samson =Worse than Est= (Insert large gap here) Sheema Edited February 13, 2009 by Chainey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Does anyone disagree with Kashim being above Elren? nahwinning offense, durability, and move>>>>>>>>>>>>melee counter Only that his movement is dwindled in the sand and trees that Elren does well in. Kashim can move two spaces in the sand as well as the trees that Elren has normal movement in the sand. I'm sure that he can only move three spaces in the trees though. Kashim has better durability, gets mounted upon class change, but Elren has better movement in the terrain than Kashim does except river terrain than Kashim can move a space in. But Elren has better Terrain movement in more enviroments than Kashim does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 oh noes sand for a grand total of ONE chapter ...one chapter legitimately held in Elren's favor, since he's not around when Astoria and buds ambush you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) One chapter of terrain advantage doesn't outweigh everything Kashim has over him. Edited February 13, 2009 by Chainey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Kashim above Yubello anyone? I think Kashims wins are a slight edge over Yubello being awesome, especially since he has a slow start up. Hell, Kashim makes defending his ass easier in the viking chapter. He should be thanking Kashim! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 starts ahead, stays ahead, wins durability even more...nope, no complaints here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 $10 says Chainey comes in and says "close range counterattack Yubello" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 in which see my earleir post melee range doesn't compensate for getting owned everywhere else that badly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Especially since enemies can rip Yubello a new asshole for a good while. I had him overleveled by dragon valley with orb use (Leo + Cancer is my favorite combo, though I guess he didn't have anything HP boosting. Do Gemini and Aquarius do that?), the fire dragons were close to one shotting him...Should say a bit about him normally. Think he'll dare to bring up luck, even though Kashim's an archer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Nick Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Now you're just confusing "Chainy" with "Ayanami" or whatever her name is. FE3 Player/Darth/Chainy/wtfe he wants to be called has more common sense than to use luck in an argument. ....Unlike SOMEBODY ELSE I know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Now you're just confusing "Chainy" with "Ayanami" or whatever her name is. FE3 Player/Darth/Chainy/wtfe he wants to be called has more common sense than to use luck in an argument.....Unlike SOMEBODY ELSE I know... Yeah, you're right. Though Ayanami I think is just messing around, since she eventually comes around to agree with things she fought against to make other rediculous claims/ makes shit up. She CAN'T be serious. Personally, I find it funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 $10 says Chainey comes in and says "close range counterattack Yubello"Really now...Think he'll dare to bring up luck, even though Kashim's an archer?Really now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Really now...Really now... What, we're suddenly not allowed to make jokes at your expense? Lighten up a little, I've been here for barely much time, but it's obvious I'm a lighthearted lovable oaf! Now lemme see a smile there Shannan... In all seriousness though, yeah, there's much putting Kashim above Yubello. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodykitty Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 My only thought is that I'm just going to wait until more discussion before posting a new list that way there is a more major update. What, we're suddenly not allowed to make jokes at your expense? Lighten up a little, I've been here for barely much time, but it's obvious I'm a lighthearted lovable oaf! Now lemme see a smile there Shannan...*activates Starlight Hit* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjackal Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Fair enough. *activates big shield* Come now, you know the RNG loves to hump the legs of generals and barons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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