Howcome FE8 has no official tier list?

[RNG Princess]

I was wondering this because every game seems to have their own official tier list but I just couldn't find one for this game.

Anyways heres my own tier list with my own observations; I haven't considered supports just yet <img src='http://serenesforest.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='^_^' />. Theres a small explination below as to the placing of some characters. Its mostly based on what they can contribute and perform and at what cost and effort.

[spoiler=Eirika Tier List]Mighty:

Seth

Top:

Vanessa

Franz

Colm

Tethys

Moulder

High:

Natasha

Tana

Cormag

Eirika

Upper-Mid:

Gerik

Joshua

Arthur

Saleh

Middle:

Kyle

Forde

Syrene

Knoll

Ephraim

Duessel

Mid-Low:

Innes

Garcia

Rennac

Dozla

Lute

L'arachel

Low Tier:

Myrrh

Gilliam

Neimi

Ross

Marisa

Bottom:

Amelia

Ewan

[spoiler=Ephraim Tier List]Mighty:

Seth

Top:

Vanessa

Franz

Colm

Tethys

Moulder

High:

Duessel

Natasha

Tana

Cormag

Ephraim

Upper-Mid:

Gerik

Joshua

Arthur

Saleh

Middle:

Kyle

Forde

Syrene

Knoll

Eirika

Mid-Low:

Innes

Garcia

Rennac

Dozla

Lute

L'arachel

Low Tier:

Myrrh

Gilliam

Neimi

Ross

Marisa

Bottom:

Amelia

Ewan

Edits:

-Rennac out of bottom Tier for useful thief utility

-Syrene out of Low Tier for useful flier utility

-Ephraim moved around a lot

-Knoll out of bottom tier

-Gilliam placed elsewhere

-Franz to Top tier

-Tethys down to High Tier

-Seth tier <img src='http://serenesforest.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/colon3.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':3' />

Edited April 8, 2011 by Queen_Elincia

[Integrity]

http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=14609

It's back a bit.

Additionally, routes are a must if you want to tier properly.

EDIT: So first, split the routes. Then I'll argue with your placement. ^^

Edited September 1, 2010 by Integrity

[RNG Princess]

http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=14609

It's back a bit.

Additionally, routes are a must if you want to tier properly.

EDIT: So first, split the routes. Then I'll argue with your placement. ^^

Ok :)

[Anouleth]

I was wondering this because every game seems to have their own official tier list but I just couldn't find one for this game.

Many of the more serious debaters consider this game to be somewhat beneath them. In addition, tiering is very simple - Seth soloes the first couple of chapters, train Vanessa, the cavaliers and healers so they can help with Routs later on (with Cormag + Gerik + Saleh + Innes). Not much else to say, since many characters are simply irredeemable.

Of course, if you assume Seth is not used at all, it gets more interesting since he has a massive effect on the game.

The last tier list posted here was dondon's. I think it's pretty conclusive provided you're happy with assuming an optimal deployment.

Natasha-Moulder: The reason I put them closer is because they offer similar performance as healers but his advantage of more availability is rivaled by her better luck and horse-gaining option promotion.

Her luck is irrelevant since they're not fighting. The horse is useful, though, and she has the potential for better MAG, as well as faster EXP gain.

Gerik: He has good bases and can either choose to use his hero crest to kill things faster or keep growing. He manages to contribute good things and not require much effort.

I personally think that Gerik can use his Hero Crest straight away. The Axe access is really useful and the stat gains are also good. He's pretty useless in lategame no matter what you do with him because he has 15con.

Tana-Cormag: She comes earlier but requires a little more care than Cormag does.

They both have their advantages, but you have both of them way too low.

Myrrh: She's helpful for sure but she has an item with limited uses and no option for hammerne so she's more of use just in case unit.

I think she kind of sucks. She can barely kill anything and she has only 5 move.

Innes: He is easy to pick up and play because he has good bases although he has no 1 range.

free Nidhogg because Neimi sucks!

Saleh: Decent bases, horrible magic growths but at least he can offer decent-yet free combat and healing for 1 chapter. :)

I think he's really good. Good base stats and high weapon ranks.

Neimi: She can offer chipping and support while deployment is free but her no-1 range makes her a candidate to be benched.

Yet she's above Duracell.

Syrene: Weak to bows but she offers chipping, triangle attack, and can be a ferry bot for chapter 17.

I also think Syrene is being underrated. She's good in every chapter she's in simply because she's an 8 move flier.

Knoll: Unlike the other bottom tier characters (Except Rennac) he requires much less effort to offer decent contributions. That is a level up and a guardian ring to start summoning things.

He doesn't need a level. Knoll always joins at level 10, but the game autolevels him from 9 to 10 automatically. Like how FE9 Rhys actually starts off at level 1 but gets autolevelled to 4 (with Priest growths that are actually better than his )

Edited September 1, 2010 by Anouleth

[Junkhead]

Well, this tier list is pretty neat.

Although I might have a little complaints on some character-positions.

Joshua and Lute could really trade places. It takes a while until Lute's offense becomes decent. Joshua could be able to use a Steel Sword and double most enemies with good attack.

Duessel, for Ephraim's route should defeneatly go to at least upper-middle for Ephraim's route. He can do wonders with a Speedwings. For Ephraim's route, he really might want to be switching places with Tana, since Tana has a real tough time, and it's doubtful if she'll ever get out of level 4.

And at last, Tethys shouldn't really deserve to go for Top. Her avaibility's a problem, and it's not like her absence hurts the team. Others like Moulder, Nats and Colm contribute much more earlier on. And not to mention her durability is nothing special to have her wondering in the middle of the field.

...I'll just wait until you're done with Anoulethe. @_@

Edited September 1, 2010 by The Leaving Song

[RNG Princess]

Yet she's above Duracell.

That makes sense thanks for reminding me :) and lol Duracell I usually call him DSL.

He doesn't need a level. Knoll always joins at level 10, but the game autolevels him from 9 to 10 automatically. Like how FE9 Rhys actually starts off at level 1 but gets autolevelled to 4 (with Priest growths that are actually better than his )

Oh thats odd he starts off at level 9 on mine :/.

and I forgot to quote you about Natasha's luck/avo I find it convenient that it helps her dodge more often it certainly is a +1 for her.

Well, this tier list is pretty neat.

Thank you I was trying to be fair ^_^

I do see your point about Tethys and its not like she offers things like Filla's Might or whatever they're called, she should move a tier down. P.S on a side note I usually do the glitch/hack to steal stones from gorgons so I can have Tethys do more than dance ^_^.

Edited September 1, 2010 by Queen_Elincia

[Thor Odinson]

Gerik doesn't have to go Hero... he can go Ranger for a horse.

While Hero's better offensively, Ranger doesn't hurt his offense much anyway (the only problem is it's either one range or two range, not 1-2) thanks to his ability to wield heavier swords without AS loss, and is good for rescue-dropping things 11 con or under. He has, what, 14 con on a horse instead of 15?

[Junkhead]

I do see your point about Tethys and its not like she offers things like Filla's Might or whatever they're called, she should move a tier down. P.S on a side note I usually do the glitch/hack to steal stones from gorgons so I can have Tethys do more than dance ^_^.

Exactly, she doesn't bring anything special to the table. So, Tethys for High...?

[Anouleth]

Gerik doesn't have to go Hero... he can go Ranger for a horse.

While Hero's better offensively, Ranger doesn't hurt his offense much anyway (the only problem is it's either one range or two range, not 1-2) thanks to his ability to wield heavier swords without AS loss, and is good for rescue-dropping things 11 con or under. He has, what, 14 con on a horse instead of 15?

Well, Axes do more damage in general and give him WTA versus Lances, which iirc are the most common enemy weapon.

( Also, my opinion of this tier list is pretty low. It would need a lot of work to be accurate. )

[Thor Odinson]

Well, Axes do more damage in general and give him WTA versus Lances, which iirc are the most common enemy weapon.

( Also, my opinion of this tier list is pretty low. It would need a lot of work to be accurate. )

I did cover that in my point.

Bows aren't bad, though, and 7Mov helps him get to enemies faster. And effective against fliers.

Duracell's also probably your best bet at an Axe user anyway.

Theoretically, branch promotions should be considered on this Tier List.

Oh and Seth for God/Silver Knight tier.

Edited September 1, 2010 by Luminescent Blade

[Anouleth]

I did cover that in my point.

Bows aren't bad, though, and 7Mov helps him get to enemies faster. And effective against fliers.

I admit that Longbows especially are useful, but 90% of the time you would end up just using a sword anyway.

I still think Ranger is inferior to Hero. Not majorly inferior - Gerik is only likely to use Swordreavers/Hand Axes/Killer Axes anyway, but Bows are much more limited. In addition, Hero gives Sword WEXP which is useful to get to Audhulma more quickly.

Duracell's also probably your best bet at an Axe user anyway.

Duracell is fine for Garm. But that's no reason that Gerik can't take advantage of Hand Axes, S-reavers and Killers.

Theoretically, branch promotions should be considered on this Tier List.

Even when they suck and are awful? :

FalcoVanessa or FalcoTana

GeneralGilliam or GeneralAmelia

GreatKnightAnyone

WyvernLord Cormag

DruidKnoll or DruidEwan

SniperNeimi

WarriorGarcia or WarriorRoss

SuperTraineeAnyone

SageArtur

Oh and Seth for God/Silver Knight tier.

If anyone deserves their own tier, it's Seth.

[Thor Odinson]

I admit that Longbows especially are useful, but 90% of the time you would end up just using a sword anyway.

I still think Ranger is inferior to Hero. Not majorly inferior - Gerik is only likely to use Swordreavers/Hand Axes/Killer Axes anyway, but Bows are much more limited. In addition, Hero gives Sword WEXP which is useful to get to Audhulma more quickly.

Duracell is fine for Garm. But that's no reason that Gerik can't take advantage of Hand Axes, S-reavers and Killers.

You have a point there. Seeing that Eirika has her PRF and Colm has crap STR caps, Gerik's only real competition for Audhulma is Joshua anyway.

...Or Seth, but Seth has the Vidofnir option as well, and since this isn't my planned Seth-solo run, I'd say Seth would benefit more from the +5 DEF rather than the +3 MT.

Even when they suck and are awful? :

FalcoVanessa or FalcoTana

GeneralGilliam or GeneralAmelia

GreatKnightAnyone

WyvernLord Cormag

DruidKnoll or DruidEwan

SniperNeimi

WarriorGarcia or WarriorRoss

SuperTraineeAnyone

SageArtur

It would make sense to put them in the lower tiers in comparison to their better branches.

Edited September 1, 2010 by Luminescent Blade

[Integrity]

Tethys ought to be a tier lower on both. Low-end of High on Ephraim's and middle-upper of High on Eirika's.

Moulder and Natasha are both too high. Healing isn't so massively necessary in the earlygame. Maybe below Ephraim on Ephraim's list, and leave them on Eirika's.

EDIT: And I'm spotty on Colm being in Top. Top of High, maybe - and I'd still argue for Franz > Colm - but not Top.

Edited September 1, 2010 by Integrity

[Rewjeo]

I could see Tethys lower than that. This is such an enemy-phase heavy game that the extra player phase doesn't mean much. Especially later when just about anyone can do the same thing on player phase, but can keep up more easily and can defend themselves.

I agree with healers down. Yeah, the healing's nice, but that's all they'll ever do. Unless one of them 4HKOing some random opponent and not doubling (not exactly true, just getting my point across) is very helpful, they aren't fighting.

Why's Franz not in top?

And what's up with Kyle/Forde not in High Tier, or at least top of Upper Mid? Eir. Cormag's in upper mid, and yet they have like six chapters of availability on him.

Saleh up. He's your best healer, at least until physic shows up for Moulder, and has great 1-2 range offense and, at least for a while, has the durability to use it. That doesn't say Mid Tier to me.

Why is Knoll a tier below Eir. Marisa? Why?

Syrene down, as well. I don't know that she deserves Bottom Tier, where she's often placed, but she doesn't do enough to get that high.

Haven't looked at Eph. yet, and those are the things that stick out most to me.

[Junkhead]

I-I forgot to mention that as well. Franz defeneatly deserves to be in Top. Think of it, he arrives at Ch 1, starts good from there, has 7 Mov and WTC. That's excellent. He's the best not-Seth character. If you think of it, the only thing Vanessa has over him is the ability to fly, but she sucks everywhere else. I see her at the same level as Colm, since their duty usually requires them retrieving items earlygame, and ferrying isn't needed most of the time.

[Integrity]

Franz doesn't start with WTC. He gets the standard swords+lances. He evolves into WTC, but ordinarily that won't happen before C10 at the earliest.

EDIT: Slize: I see your points on Tethys and I agree for the most part, but sometimes the extra PP is very, VERY valuable. Bottom of High or top of U-Mid, maybe?

Eir!Cormag to below Tana at least;Artur up to the space below Lute and no less. Also, it's Artur and not Arthur. :P

Edited September 1, 2010 by Integrity

[Anouleth]

THAT REMINDS ME

I TOTALLY NEED TO DO THAT NEIMI VS LUTE DEBATE

Shit, and I left the first half of it on my dad's computer. I'll have to get him to send it over to me when he has internet access again.

Oh, and thank you for reminding me of this, QE!

Edited September 1, 2010 by Anouleth

[Junkhead]

Franz doesn't start with WTC. He gets the standard swords+lances. He evolves into WTC, but ordinarily that won't happen before C10 at the earliest.

I know he starts with lances and swords. But that's WTC right there, when most enemies are usually LOLdiers, Brigands and Fighters. Oh yeah, and lolArchers too.

[RNG Princess]

Tethys down Franz up because I agree.

I like how basically Franz is triangle proof he can switch between swords and lances which is convenient against weapon triangle. I think he > Vanessa for that.

[Integrity]

I know he starts with lances and swords. But that's WTC right there, when most enemies are usually LOLdiers, Brigands and Fighters. Oh yeah, and lolArchers too.

wut

Lance is not > Lance, ergo he does not have WTC. It's a simple definition.

[Galenforcer]

Rennac shouldn't be bottom tier. Late-game utility> Underleveled late joining characters. At least Mid low

Gilliam too high. Has balls speed, bad move, and Franz/Forde/Kyle kill more realiably. Walling isn't that good in this game. Down to at least above Garcia.

Eir. Ephraim should move to Middle at least. His stats are too good for it and reasonably easy to raise.

Eph. Duessuel to High or Top. Awesome durability, WTC, and no AS loss with like any weapon? It's like a second Seth, with axes!

Syrene to bottom.

[Junkhead]

And by the way, I would like to mention that DURACEL's AS is highly fixable with one Speedwings alone. And he's most likely to have it, since he makes better use out of it than GARcia does.

[Anouleth]

Rennac shouldn't be bottom tier. Late-game utility> Underleveled late joining characters. At least Mid low

You say this but then:

Syrene to bottom.

[Galenforcer]

Thieving requires no training. Flier utility does.

[Junkhead]

No, it doesn't. 8 Mov and flying comes with Syrene.

I think you might think that having 8 Mov isn't saying much when your durability is poor...?

Well, if so, Rennac's durability is even worse than Syrene's. And not to mention he has to go through a few enemies before reaching chests.

Syrene is useful from the chapter she begins, and up to the end. She ferries the lords or any other character so they could reach a place faster. Then in Ch 18, flying is really useful since, you have to kill Gorgon Eggs before they hatch.