Training arena level ups fixed?

[VincentASM]

Just noticed this on a Japanese site, has anybody noticed that the amount of level up gains in the battle preparations arena is slightly fixed, akin to FE10's BEXP level ups?

Apparently, it takes the character's growth rate total and rolls a random number (presumably from 0-99) to determine the number of stat gains. Eg. Marth's growth rate total is 395, if the RN is 94 or less, then he will gain 4 stats, but if it's 95 or more he will gain 3 (so in most cases, he would gain 4 stats).

I did a few quick tests myself and the results seem to agree with the description. Although once you begin capping stats, I believe it ignores that stat's growth rate.

GROWTH RATE TOTAL 395

LEVEL / STAT GAINS
10 HP SKL SPD LCK
11 HP SKL SPD LCK
12 SKL SPD LCK DEF
13 STR SPD LCK DEF
14 HP STR SKL LCK

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CAPPED STR

GROWTH RATE TOTAL 335

15 HP SKL SPD LCK
16 HP SKL SPD LCK
17 HP SKL DEF

15 HP SKL SPD LCK
16 SKL SPD LCK DEF
17 HP SKL SPD
18 HP SKL SPD RES
19 HP LCK DEF
20 HP SPD LCK
21 HP SKL LCK
22 SKL SPD LCK
23 HP SPD LCK
24 HP SKL SPD LCK
25 HP LCK DEF

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CAPPED HP

GROWTH RATE TOTAL 245

15 SPD DEF
16 SPD LCK

15 SKL LCK
16 SKL LCK
17 SPD LCK
18 SKL SPD LCK
19 SPD LCK DEF
20 SPD LCK DEF
21 SKL LCK DEF
22 SKL SPD DEF
23 SKL SPD LCK
24 SPD LCK

Not sure if it's been discussed before, I did miss quite a few weeks worth of FE12 topics/news ^^

[Galenforcer]

I don't think they're like the BEXP levels from FE10. One time, Ellerean gained like just defense(lol), so levels might not be fixed(or there's like a formula involving which class you gain exp from like in fixed mode.)

[Tryhard]

I think this is right; I noticed this a while ago but decided not to post on it since I was not completely sure whether this was what was happening or what.

As an example I took Arran and through savestates leveled him up a lot of times. He never gained more then two stats, but I can't remember him gaining none, always being at least one. This was significantly different from Est, who got 4 or 5 stat ups regularly.

Edited September 6, 2010 by Kelsper

[fatgamecat]

Just noticed this on a Japanese site, has anybody noticed that the amount of level up gains in the battle preparations arena is slightly fixed, akin to FE10's BEXP level ups?

Apparently, it takes the character's growth rate total and rolls a random number (presumably from 0-99) to determine the number of stat gains. Eg. Marth's growth rate total is 395, if the RN is 94 or less, then he will gain 4 stats, but if it's 95 or more he will gain 3 (so in most cases, he would gain 4 stats).

I did a few quick tests myself and the results seem to agree with the description. Although once you begin capping stats, I believe it ignores that stat's growth rate.

That's a nice find. Presumably they added that so you can't reload until you get a stat up in every stat.

I was recently searching all around the JP web for some turn counts or any rank above A and didn't find anything.

[Darros]

I know this is for site data, but Imma be using the regular arenas for teams and stuff if thats the case.

[VincentASM]

I was recently searching all around the JP web for some turn counts or any rank above A and didn't find anything.

I don't think there's any signs of a rank above A in the data, in the obvious places that I looked.

I'm planning on looking into turncounts, but it will take a long time. It doesn't help that you can't skip the Epilogue like in FE7 >___<

Also, this is only slightly related, but I think it's possible to increase a stat by 2 with an exactly 100% growth rate. I'm not sure what the actual chance of it would be though. From what I can see, 0% growths can't ever lead to a stat increase, at least not factoring in dynamic growths or etc.

[eclipse]

If a unit breaks 100% growth (like Ogma the Fighter), will the +2 be counted as one of the stats that goes up, or two?

For high-growth units, I'd probably use the status arena to level. For units with lower growth, I'll take my chances outside.

[grandjackal]

Well now, that is an interesting bit of information. Pardon me while I list up total growths of character base and classes so we know who benefits most from this, or who can anyways. I will list total base, and the stats most likely considering the numbers.

Character Base Growth Totals

Marth Base-305% HP, Lck, Str/Skl/Spd

MU Base-220% Lck, HP/Str/Skl

Luke Base-235% HP, Str, Spd/Lck

Roddy Base-260% Lck, Spd, HP

Cecile Base-295% Spd, HP, Skl

Gordon Base-170% Lck, HP/Str

Ryan Base-235% Skl, HP/Str/Lck

Draug Base-200% Spd, Lck

Malliesa Base-195% Spd, Lck

Arran Base-10% Lck

Catria Base-295% Skl, Spd, HP/Lck

Warren Base-215% Skl, HP/Str/Lck

Cord Base-190% Lck, Spd

Linda Base-260% Lck, Skl, Spd

Paula Base-225% Skl, Str, HP

Bord Base-175% Lck Skl

Julian Base-305% Lck, Str, HP, Def

Matthis Base-195% HP, Str

Wrys Base-140% Lck, Mag/Res

Ogma Base-240% Lck, HP, Str

Yumina Base-190% Lck, Spd

Yubello Base-200% Lck, Spd/Def

Sirius Base-295% Lck, HP, Str

Castor Base-175% Skl, Lck/HP/Str

Shiida Base-295% Lck, Spd, Skl

Barst Base-195% Lck, Skl

Rickard Base-185% Lck, HP/Str/Spd

Frey Base-270% Lck/Spd, Str

Norne Base-200% Lck, Spd

Samuto Base-160% HP Spd

Wendell Base-150% Lck, Def

Caesar Base-190% HP, Spd

Raddy Base-215% Lck, HP/Str

Navarre Base-250% Lck, HP, Spd

Feena Base-295% Lck, Str/Skl/Spd

Cain Base-280% Lck, Spd, Str

Banut- -5%

Roger Base-240% Lck, Str, Spd

George Base-190% Lck, HP

Minerva Base-240% Lck, HP, Str/Skl

Etzel Base-255% HP, Def, Lck/Skl

Maric Base-260% Lck, Spd/HP

Elleraen Base-200% HP, Def

Dice Base-160% Lck, Spd

Malice Base-210% Lck, Skl, HP/Str/Spd

Horace Base-220% HP/Str/Def

Jake Base-320% Lck, Spd, Str, Skl

Daross Base-180% Lck, Str

Robert Base-255% Lck/Skl, HP/Str/Spd

Belf Base-190% HP/Str/Lck

Raiden Base-200% Skl/Spd/Lck

Beck Base-235% HP/Skl/Spd

Athena Base-250% Lck, Skl/Spd

Tiki Base-305% Lck, Spd, Skl, HP

Est Base-325% Lck/Str, Skl, Spd

Dolph Base-195% Str, Skl/Lck

Abel Base-265% HP, Spd, Str

Maccelan Base-280% Str, Lck, HP/Spd/Def

Astram Base-215% Lck, HP, Str

Katarina Base-310% Lck, HP, Spd, Skl

Thomas Base-280% Str, Lck/Skl/HP

Sheema Base-290% Lck, Spd, Str

Samson Base-190% Lck, HP

Frost Base-195% HP, Skl/Spd

Roshea Base-275% Lck, HP, Spd

Vyland Base-255% Lck, Spd, Str

Sedgar Base-280% HP, Skl, Spd

Wolf Base-285% Lck, HP, Str

Midia Base-230% HP, Spd, Skl

Ymir Base-195% Str, Spd

Michalis Base-240% HP, Str, Skl

Nagi Base-305% Lck, Spd, Skl, HP

Class Total Growths

Lord- 85%, -10% Mag, -5% Res

Peg/Falco/Draco- 80% -15% Mag

Cavalier/Paladin- 90% -10% Mag, -5% Res

Knight/General- 100% -15% Mag, -10% Res

Archer/Sniper- 90% -10% Mag and Res

Merc/Hero- 95% -20% Mag, -10% Res

Myrm/Swordmaster- 90% -10% Mag -5 Res

Fighter/Warrior- 115% -20% Mag -15% Res

Hunter/Horseman- 75% -15% Mag and Res

Pirate/Berserker- 110% -20% Mag -15% Res

Dark Mage/Sorcerer- 70% -15% Str and Def

Mage- 70% -10% Str -15% Def

Sage- 70% -15 Str and Def

Curate- 70% -15 Str -10 Def

Bishop- 70% -15 Str and Def

Thief/Dancer- 65% -20% Mag -10% Res

Manakete- 130% -10% Res

Take it as you will.

[Big Klingy]

I'm doing some level ups in the arena, and I've found pretty strong evidence this is true.

Ogma always gets exactly three stats, no matter how many times I reset. Linde, on the other hand, got 4. (she has a higher growth total as I recall)

Sirius gets 4 most of the time, but he did get a 3 once. So I think it's about a 90-10 ratio.

So basically, the prep arena is like BEXP, that you have to pay for.

[Rewjeo]

But also gives you WEXP.

[VincentASM]

Also, for anybody who uses the Maturity Drop, there seems to be signs that it doesn't work in the training arena. A +40% growth total might not be something you want to discard.

EDIT

Hmm, maybe I did something wrong before... The Maturity Drop does seem to have an effect. Also, I think it gives +20% HP growth and +10% growth to the other stats. I need to check a bit more thoroughly first though.

Edited September 7, 2010 by VincentASM