I.M. Gei Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Then why the hell do people consider Kyle to be an Abel and Forde to be a Cain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolate Kitty Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Color. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Forde doesn't excel in speed. He's slower than Franz => Franz is the real Abel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ϲharlie Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 PROTIP: The colors have no bearing on stats. Never did. Original Cain had higher speed and skill growth than original Abel who in turn had better strength growth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M. Gei Posted November 26, 2010 Author Share Posted November 26, 2010 Oh I see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 If what Anoulethe says is true, I won't ever see the Kent the same way. Just look at that those growths, they're like an exact copy of Kent! (Well, almost. But it's very close) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axie Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Isn't the Cain/Abel archetype more about personality than stats or even color? At least that is the only pattern with no real exceptions... even if in some cases the difference is merely the fact one has a personality and the other does not, like Alec/Noish. Or just think of the Cain/Abel archetype as two cavaliers that work together, a green one and a red one, and forget about stats or personality. That makes it much easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 The archetype is nothing but Is putting the christmas cavs in like every game. There is no official definition of which "is" which because there is no true answer. All there really "is" to it is that one of them is red and the other is green. sometimes one is more rash and outgoing while the other is calm, one focuses on strength and the other on speed...and they generally join early. FE5 is weird because there is no duo of cavaliers. Just two Lance Knights that join somewhat early (but much later than any others) and have no personality whatsoever, and I don't recall them being red/green either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 (edited) FE5 is weird because there is no duo of cavaliers. Just two Lance Knights that join somewhat early (but much later than any others) and have no personality whatsoever, and I don't recall them being red/green either. Alva and Kein are red and green, respectively. Kent and Sain followed their pattern, more or less. Edited November 26, 2010 by Adon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 The archetype is nothing but Is putting the christmas cavs in like every game. There is no official definition of which "is" which because there is no true answer. All there really "is" to it is that one of them is red and the other is green. sometimes one is more rash and outgoing while the other is calm, one focuses on strength and the other on speed...and they generally join early. FE5 is weird because there is no duo of cavaliers. Just two Lance Knights that join somewhat early (but much later than any others) and have no personality whatsoever, and I don't recall them being red/green either. There's FE3 as well. Rody is green with brown hair, Cecile is red with pink hair, and Luke is blue with green hair. Unless you want to count Abel and Cain as the christmas knights for that game too. There's FE10 as well, but I guess Kieran and Geoffrey could be considered... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narga_Rocks Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 There's FE3 as well. Rody is green with brown hair, Cecile is red with pink hair, and Luke is blue with green hair. Unless you want to count Abel and Cain as the christmas knights for that game too. There's FE10 as well, but I guess Kieran and Geoffrey could be considered... Or Titania and Oscar. Though neither is particularly rash and while Titania focuses on str they have similar speeds (despite Oscar's +10% growth and faster exp gains, his lower cap and same base make it not matter much). But they literally are red and green. Geoffrey is blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 FE10, being a sequel with a large portion of its cast being repeats, doesn't really need to follow suit. It also strays further from other archetypes such as Jeigan, compared to other games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewjeo Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 The archetype didn't really take off until after Kaga left, anyways. You have Cain/Abel in number 1 (and 3) no duo in 2, no duo that fits in 3 (other than Cain/Abel, but...), one in 4, not really one in 5 (randomly appear and don't even fit the color thing very well at all) and then all of a sudden there's one in every game from 6-11 (although 9-10 are a little strange) and 12 is... debatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darros Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 There's FE3 as well. Rody is green with brown hair, Cecile is red with pink hair, and Luke is blue with green hair. Unless you want to count Abel and Cain as the christmas knights for that game too. Rody, Luke, and Cecil would be more stats, but they seem unique. Cecil = Best bases, lowest growth. Luke = Mid bases, mid growth. Rody = Lowest bases, highest growth. But all three are perfectly usable. (FE3DS) I personally think that Cain and Frey are the Cain and Abel of that game as Abel starts off promoted and joins much later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewjeo Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 Either that or there just isn't a pair. I mean, there was no archetype when FE3 came out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Rey León Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Or Titania and Oscar. Though neither is particularly rash and while Titania focuses on str they have similar speeds (despite Oscar's +10% growth and faster exp gains, his lower cap and same base make it not matter much). But they literally are red and green. Geoffrey is blue. Titania is the Jeigan (or the Oifaye). Oscar and Kieran are the Cain and Abel despite one appearing later than the other. Kieran is HP/STR-based and Oscar is SPD/SKL based. Plus they have a similar history. FE3 and 10 being sequels don't really count since like someone said, they use repeats and don't have to follow archetype conventions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Lol at Kieran being HP-based. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Rey León Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 In PoR he is which is what I was talking about since that's the game where Oscar and Kieran are Cain/Abel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 He isn't HP-based either. Oscar and him both have high HP bases with only a 5% of difference. If the 5% would actually be a big difference, people would consider Kent to be HP/Skill/Spd base only because he has +1 HP over Sain's base, and a +5% HP growth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrhesia Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 (edited) Now that you mention it, it's the same with speed, which just goes to show how much of an all-round failure Kent is compared to the Green Knight. EDIT: Remembered that Kent has two points on Sain. I think. Whatever, it's not that significant an advantage over the Awesome Guy. Edited December 20, 2010 by Grimsworth of Natal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 (edited) It's actually funny that Kent's Spd isn't much of an advantage over Sain's Str, since by bases, Kent's only winning by one, and 5% in growth. Lol. I would like expand what Furetchen said, by saying that he is right and mentioning the significant Spd difference between Alan and Lance. Edited December 20, 2010 by Soul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narga_Rocks Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Titania is the Jeigan (or the Oifaye). Oscar and Kieran are the Cain and Abel despite one appearing later than the other. Kieran is HP/STR-based and Oscar is SPD/SKL based. Plus they have a similar history. In PoR he is which is what I was talking about since that's the game where Oscar and Kieran are Cain/Abel. But you were responding to me talking about fe10. Titania is no Jeigan in fe10 and Kieran arrives beyond late in 3-11 compared to Oscar's 3-P. That's more than halfway through Oscar's existence, or exactly halfway if you consider 4-E to be 5 chapters. Titania is Red, Oscar is Green, though Titania beats him in nearly everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Rey León Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Yeah, I'm currently in the middle of a transfer run so I had PoR on the mind. I still don't believe FE10 has any archetypes since it is a sequel, so I don't fully agree with Titania and Oscar being Cain and Abel. I don't even think it has any true Jeigans despite many candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narga_Rocks Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Well, I wasn't saying they definitely were. Just responding to someone that said Kieran and Geoffrey could be it if you really wanted to claim there were a pair in fe10. I suggested that Titania and Oscar were more likely (than Kieran and Geoffrey), not that they are likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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