Naglfar Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 (edited) Because after finishing a draft, the logical thing to do is begin another immediately. And I like my rules. -Eirika, Ephraim, Orson, Myrrh, and the final undrafted unit free. -Seth b&. Do nothing with him or take an 8-turn penalty. -Undrafted units incur a 4-turn penalty for the usual stuff. -Hard mode. -Either route. -Colm and Rennac can be deployed and used in C15 without penalty. -No tower, no ruins, no skirmishes - except for getting trainees to 10/1/0. That is -all- you may use them for. -Franz cannot promote before C10. -Franz/Vanessa cannot rescue Eirika before C9. -Drafting order is reversed for the last round. So: 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 3, 2, 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 3, 2, 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 3, 2, 1, 4, 3, 2, 1 Draft order: 1. Naglfar 2. Anouleth 3. Clipseykitty 4. arvilino [spoiler=Unit List] Marisa [spoiler=Teams] Naglfar Vanessa Forde Kyle Saleh Joshua Neimi Ewan Anouleth Franz Artur Tethys Lute Duessel Dozla L'Arachel Clipseykitty Garcia Moulder Gerik Cormag Knoll Syrene Rennac arvilino Ross Tana Gilliam Amelia Innes Natasha Colm [spoiler=Turncounts] CH|NA|AN|CL|AR P| 2| 4| 2| 3 1| 5| 5| 5| 5 2| 7| 5| 7| 5 3| 8| 8| 8| 7 4| 8| 6|10| 7 5| 9| |10| 8 5x| 8| |11| 8 6| 5| | 8| 6 7| 7| | 8| 6 8|10| |15|11 9|15| |26|15 10| 6| |26| 7 11|11| |18|10 12|11| |15|12 13| 6| | 7| 8 14|11| |11|10 15|10| |18|10 16|13| | 8| 4 17| 2| | 2| 2 18| 8| | 8| 8 19| 2| | 2| 2 20| 5| | 5| 3 F| 5| |13| 4 1st: arvilino, 161 turns 2nd: Naglfar, 174 turns 3rd: Clipseykitty, 243 turns Edited October 7, 2011 by Naglfar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Go on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Uh, fine, I'll bite. I'm still horrid with this game, though. . . You might want to take a look at the recent upheaval about Franz and Vanessa, and change your rules accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naglfar Posted September 17, 2011 Author Share Posted September 17, 2011 Anouleth, are you in? And what upheaval is this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 It was mostly pointed out that having Franz/Vanessa lead to earlygame stompage with no recovery. I think the following was agreed on (correct me if I'm wrong): 1. Franz/Vanessa may not rescue Eirika until Chapter 9. 2. Franz can't use the Chapter 7 Knight's Crest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arvilino Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I'd like to give it a go. First draft but given it's FE8 it shouldn't be a big problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinKuma Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Can I try? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 (edited) Anouleth, are you in? Yes. I'm not sure why it's so important to reduce the use of Franz and Vanessa. Surely the only chapter in which rescuing Eirika makes a significant difference is Chapter 7 anyway (which is something Ross can also do). Edited September 17, 2011 by Anouleth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I would just make Vanessa free for chapter 7 personally, if you're not going to restrict them. She saves 3-4 turns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 For reference: http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=27516 Check the comments and whatnot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant Dragon Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I would just make Vanessa free for chapter 7 personally, if you're not going to restrict them. She saves 3-4 turns. I think preventing everyone from using Vanessa to skip this chapter would be best, since those who didn't draft Vanessa could get her killed by the ballista or something and save a turn compared to those who don't draft her otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I think preventing everyone from using Vanessa to skip this chapter would be best, since those who didn't draft Vanessa could get her killed by the ballista or something and save a turn compared to those who don't draft her otherwise. Ah, I never thought of that. Makes more sense that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 How 'bout having Eirika unrescuable for Chapter 7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Sounds fair to me, that way the people who draft Ross won't destroy everyone on that chapter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 I don't think that's necessary. I think the best way to do it is to set a "minimum time" for Chapter 7, such that turns saved beyond the minimum time don't count. In this case, that would be 8 turns. So while you could rescue and drop Eirika in order to reach 8 turns, if you got 6 or 7 turns with Vanessa's help, it would still be "counted" as 8 turns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 (edited) Minimum without Vanessa/Ross is actually 7 turns. Edited September 18, 2011 by General_Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Minimum without Vanessa/Ross is actually 7 turns. Actually, I had another look, and you're right. I forgot Eirika could cross the River on her own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naglfar Posted September 18, 2011 Author Share Posted September 18, 2011 First come first serve, I guess. Apologies to Blazing. Updated Franz/Vanessa rules in the OP, let's not make it too complicated. Some of you may not believe me, but random.org returned the order exactly as I put it in. So now I'm drafting first in my own threads twice in a row. Someone must be thinking I'm cheating by now. But let's get started. I pick Vanessa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arvilino Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Last, oh well. I guess I'll just have to think which 2 units to pick will hinder everyone else's teams make up for it. Anyway what are the specific things that incurs the 4 turn penalty for undrafted units? Can they trade items or can you only do that outside of chapters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naglfar Posted September 18, 2011 Author Share Posted September 18, 2011 Undrafted units can trade, no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 France Franz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Garcia. Because. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arvilino Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Ross and Tana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Moulder~! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Artur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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