General Horace Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Whitefang can have Harken, Harpoon can have Hawkeye. Also, glad nobody gave me harken, although I think that's against the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahlman Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 Wow, I can already tell this is going to be brutal, starting to wonder where I found this level of masochism within myself >_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 You have no Idea how pumped I am for this, haha/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Lowen...is still pretty good, I'm thinking, even with Marcus having limited availability. So Naglfar can have Heath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) Hmm... Horace gave me Hawkeye! : Desert just got easier. And Canas+Lucius+Serra makes for Guiding Ring shenanigans. Edited December 13, 2011 by Mr. Limerick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Hmm... Horace gave me Hawkeye! : Desert just got easier. And Canas+Lucius+Serra makes for Guiding Ring shenanigans. Everyone can use Hawkeye in Living Legend...and he's still pretty slow (movement wise). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naglfar Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Zahlman can have... Isadora. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahlman Posted December 14, 2011 Author Share Posted December 14, 2011 Harpoon, you're really going to love my generosity here... have Pent. As strange as it might sound, this was actually a really easy decision for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) Zahlman, enjoy Lowen Horace, have fun with Ninian Edited December 15, 2011 by Mr. Limerick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahlman Posted December 15, 2011 Author Share Posted December 15, 2011 Zahlman, enjoy Lowen w00t~! Horace, have fun with Ninian Oh, he will, I'm sure of it. Nagl... this was agonizing. I really hope this works out as I've planned. You've won the grand prize of Sain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naglfar Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Your plan is... cutting my turncounts? Whitefang gets Raven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahlman Posted December 15, 2011 Author Share Posted December 15, 2011 Your plan is... cutting my turncounts? Well you already had Heath so meh. I think your team is better than mine overall but it would have been whoever I gave you. There's more to it than that but I'll let Whitefang make his choice before explaining. Whitefang gets Raven. nooooo! :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 zahlman, what did you expect to happen? I could have told you that I would be the one screwed. Ch 17 will not be fun... I don't know what to do here...Horace can have Kent, I guess. Sorry, but because of Ninils, Florina wasn't even really an option. *sigh* It might be a while before I can start this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahlman Posted December 16, 2011 Author Share Posted December 16, 2011 (edited) Yay drafting complete. zahlman, what did you expect to happen? I figured Nagl would figure that he had to give you Florina, because she'd be too useful to the others and to leave you stacked with all the fliers (also with her lack of durability she looks really redundant once you get the other fliers). And then you would give Raven to Horace so he'd be stuck without high-Mov drafts and with only Oswin for added 1-2 range. I had to give Nagl a cav to make this possible. I chose Sain because (a) I think Kent is better for HHM and his team already looks pretty good; (b) so Harpoon wouldn't get both of Serra's "fast" supports. (Although that's a pretty minor consideration; keeping Sain next to Serra doesn't exactly sound like my idea of fun.) I probably won't start actually playing this until the new year. Edited December 16, 2011 by zahlman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 (edited) Yay drafting complete. I figured Nagl would figure that he had to give you Florina, because she'd be too useful to the others and to leave you stacked with all the fliers (also with her lack of durability she looks really redundant once you get the other fliers). And then you would give Raven to Horace so he'd be stuck without high-Mov drafts and with only Oswin for added 1-2 range. I had to give Nagl a cav to make this possible. I chose Sain because (a) I think Kent is better for HHM and his team already looks pretty good; (b) so Harpoon wouldn't get both of Serra's "fast" supports. (Although that's a pretty minor consideration; keeping Sain next to Serra doesn't exactly sound like my idea of fun.) I probably won't start actually playing this until the new year. A fine plan...except for the part where it didn't work. I'm not sure how Kent is better than Sain, especially with Lyn mode added on. Hope for Speed screwage? Hope for no chapter 9/10 promotion? Sain's strength score will probably be outrageous, then throw on the energy ring for fun. As for my team: Lyn Mode - Lyn, Erk, Serra, Matthew: Oh...this is going to hurt. Yay for free use of predeployed units? I'm also not remembering if the game remembers turns spent next to each other during Lyn mode. I'll have to look it up. Free Units Lyn - If she's blessed, she'll do fine. At least she'll get tons of exp. Erk - Solid unit. He will probably be my boss killer early on (*sob*) Serra - The star of the show. I'm saving a warp use for Final. Matthew - Thief! Won't get promoted! Hector - We all know Hector Drafted Units Renault - Staff user...oh wait. Um? Aureola is useful, I guess, if I can get the weapon exp up there. Farina - She has great stats, but she always takes more time to get. This time, however, she won't take extra time to get, because I don't have anyone to fly over the lake. (Which is bad, btw) Legault - Better thief! Also won't get promoted! Vaida - HM BONUS STATS OF AWESOMENESS Harken - MORE HM BONUSES plus costs turns. At least he comes with a good weapon. Raven - MORE MORE HM BONUSES. Recruiting him is going to be a pain, but since I don't have Florina, I won't be going to 17x anyway, so at least there's no timer this time. (Priscilla) - Stand on forest/fort, hope she gets attacked 700 times. If that happens...well, I'd say it'll be a huge help, because that means my turn count is going into astronomical numbers. Edited December 16, 2011 by Whitefang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahlman Posted December 16, 2011 Author Share Posted December 16, 2011 (edited) A fine plan...except for the part where it didn't work. I'm not sure how Kent is better than Sain, especially with Lyn mode added on. Hope for Speed screwage? Hope for no chapter 9/10 promotion? Sain's strength score will probably be outrageous, then throw on the energy ring for fun. My thinking is that with lots of squishy but sometimes powerful mages around in HHM, Kent's defense > Sain's offense. I could be wrong. You're welcome to try and prove me wrong. Lyn Mode - Lyn, Erk, Serra, Matthew: Oh...this is going to hurt. Yay for free use of predeployed units? I'm also not remembering if the game remembers turns spent next to each other during Lyn mode. I'll have to look it up. AFAIK it doesn't. Teams without Kent or Sain will be able to use the Energy Ring and/or Angelic Robe (both, if careful) and still get Lyn's White Gem. The first map with a loadout screen is coincidentally the first one where Florina saves a bunch of turns (though obviously fewer with the rule changes), and has Nils common. Of course, teams with Kent/Sain don't have to promote in LHM even if they can... BTW, I totally don't care if people restart from the beginning because they thought they were going to get that White Gem but didn't. It's your time investment. Serra loves watching you suffer. (I'm really starting to think Matthew was right.) Lyn - If she's blessed, she'll do fine. At least she'll get tons of exp. She has some pretty nice bosskill applications herself IMO. Serra - The star of the show. I'm saving a warp use for Final. Serra is pleased that you're getting into the spirit of things. Matthew - Thief! Won't get promoted! Not even once there are no more useful things to steal? Renault - Staff user...oh wait. Um? Aureola is useful, I guess, if I can get the weapon exp up there. Lol at training Renault. He was a pretty obvious first pick for this draft. If you trade him a Shine and have him somehow spam out the whole book without costing turns, he'll still have 10 WExp to go. Farina - She has great stats, but she always takes more time to get. This time, however, she won't take extra time to get, because I don't have anyone to fly over the lake. (Which is bad, btw) Most of us don't, and she doesn't take that much longer to get, especially since there's also that bit about having to walk Serra over to one of the points. Legault - Better thief! Also won't get promoted! Legault's combat is not bad. I really won't be surprised if you change your mind... [Edit: removed this-is-not-FE8 derp.] Vaida - HM BONUS STATS OF AWESOMENESSHarken - MORE HM BONUSES plus costs turns. At least he comes with a good weapon. Raven - MORE MORE HM BONUSES. Recruiting him is going to be a pain, but since I don't have Florina, I won't be going to 17x anyway, so at least there's no timer this time. Yeah, you actually have a really really powerful team - once you actually get your team. Muahahaha. Harken doesn't cost turns if you choose Jerme's map (which is totally worth considering since there's a White Gem instead of a Blue Gem), and might not even on Kenneth's map (since that takes what, like, 7? under the best conditions, and you won't have your fliers yet, and you can't feasibly convoy units up the corridor, and Marcus costs 3). I totally should have considered the Karel/Harken thing more closely when I was doing up the rules. If I'd thought about it, I probably would have explicitly permitted putting them on the same team, because (a) that is trivially avoided by auto-giving Harken when you get Karel (although it kinda sucks that the other person is forcing your pick, but that's strategy and what makes drafting fun) and (b) LOL SADISM. (Priscilla) - Stand on forest/fort, hope she gets attacked 700 times. If that happens...well, I'd say it'll be a huge help, because that means my turn count is going into astronomical numbers. I will totally give you (or Harpoon) an honourable mention if you pull that off. You could also have her stomp around for the Ocean Seal in the desert and let Matthew and Legault go after the other stuff more directly. Edited December 16, 2011 by zahlman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Karla, Canas, Lucius, Hawkeye, Pent, Florina(, Priscilla, Bartre) Karla- Lol Karla Canas- CanasxPent and fun with Luna Lucius- More fun with staves and SerraxLucius And He can see combat. Hawkeye- Fave, and a great physical unit Along with the fact, that every time I use Hawkeye, he turns out to max Def and Res- as well as great speed and strrength. Pent- You guys gave me every Magic user BUT ERK and NINO?!? Pent=gbaFE Sage God. Florina- Ohhhhh yeah.... Shaving them turns Bartre- Earlygame Prissy- Have her get bombarded by Magic enemies, and heal frequently. Also, has a pony!! And can ferry! I guess glueing her to a fort and hoping for the best would work..... Lyn-Bosskilling Hector- Lategame H4x Marcus- Early-Mid-Game life support for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahlman Posted December 16, 2011 Author Share Posted December 16, 2011 Hawkeye- Fave, and a great physical unit I was surprised when Horace gave him to you. You might actually manage to figure out a way through Cog of Destiny now. Pent- You guys gave me every Magic user BUT ERK and NINO?!? Everybody has Erk. And having everybody who can do X is not necessarily a good thing. I gave you Lucius pretty much specifically because I felt he'd be redundant on a team that already has Canas. Florina-Ohhhhh yeah.... Shaving them turns Gl! :) Don't forget the rescue/drop tax. Prissy... can ferry! Only as effectively as cavs who could also fight instead, and still with a rescue/drop tax. Hector- Lategame H4x Hector haxes a lot of HHM IMO. Marcus- Early-Mid-Game life support for me You're going to need it. I think everyone will. Some more than others. I think I have the best chance of not needing Marcus for Ch 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 (edited) Not even once there are no more useful things to steal? Lol at training Renault. He was a pretty obvious first pick for this draft. If you trade him a Shine and have him somehow spam out the whole book without costing turns, he'll still have 10 WExp to go. Legault's combat is not bad. I really won't be surprised if you change your mind... RE: Thieves Well, it's simple really. 28x is going to cost turns to visit, and Fel Contracts cost 50k. If I do promote one, it'll only be one, and only to abuse silencer if I can. Now, there is a gem (or two?) to steal in 28x, but is it worth it? I don't know. Maybe. Plus the speedwings are there, too. Maybe it's worth a trip. RE: Renault Killing blows award double WEXP, so it's entirely feasible to get Renault to S Light by the time he gets to the dragon. Not that I'll need him, but I'd like to pretend that he's useful. (Going 2nd in a SOYO has to be the worst position). Oh, and Harken/Karel show up on turn 10. That's not exactly fast, and to recruit him I either need to have Hector hang back or eat a Marcus penalty. Not cool! Edited December 16, 2011 by Whitefang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahlman Posted December 16, 2011 Author Share Posted December 16, 2011 (edited) If you can get to the northeast chests (Thor's Ire) and steal the Blue Gem from the Hero, you effectively get 25 turns for 28x. I totally forgot about the double wexp for killing thing. That'll actually be pretty cool if you pull it off. Although Aureola!Renault's damage to the Fire Dragon is... 2 + whatever he procs. :/ I forgot about the part where you need to recruit Harken with the same guy you're trying to get to the throne in Kenneth's map. Sucks for you. The funny part is that Horace has two of the other units who could recruit Harken (I have the remaining two, heh). Still, you could bite the bullet, opt for the Jerme route, and just make sure to claim the White Gem from the center room. There's also Bolting right next to it, which Erk might appreciate. But yeah, I think if nothing else, you may just post the best result for Final. Edited December 16, 2011 by zahlman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 (edited) Lyn - She's good in Lyn Mode >.> Hopefully she gets some decent offensive stats. Erk - He's pretty solid, but not using staves post promotion hurts. Serra - Serra <3. I'm gonna show extreme favouratism. All stat boosters are going to Serra. Matthew - Free thief :) Nils - Yay? He might save a couple turns. Karel - Uh, his one range offence is pretty decent, but sword lock sucks. Hector - :) Jaffar - See Karel + Lockpicks and Lethality. Oswin - He actually needs to be pretty clutch I like Oswin though, so not complaining. Eliwood - Please get strength so you don't suck. Ninian - Ninian <3. She should help out quite a bit. Kent - He will help immensely in LHM, i'll definately promote him in LHM, so Oswin can have the first Hector Mode Crest. Synopsis: GO TEAM GO Also, so starting this in a couple hours. Edited December 16, 2011 by General Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahlman Posted December 16, 2011 Author Share Posted December 16, 2011 (edited) Ok fine, I guess I have to do this too. - is, and I am totally going to rip off Tang here, my tsundere nyanpumpkin. Well, no. Actually she's Hextator's tsundere nyanpumpkin. I just borrow her for the occasional playthrough. She is probably getting the Energy Ring and Angelic Robe though, because Dorcas doesn't really need them whereas Lyn can really benefit. I usually give the Angelic Robe to Florina, when I have her. :Serra: , well, I don't dare say anything bad. IF it doesn't cost me a turn, and she gets S Light somehow, I am totally having her deal the final blow. :Matthew: is clearly the MVP for everyone because he steals gems and elixirs and shit. :Erk: - fuck yeah anima. - made of hax. :Merlinus: - fuck your torches and your running off to swamp islands in the middle of the night, man. You can join in 16. - Athos gonna Ath. - WELP, LOOKS LIKE I'M DOING 28x. Except how the hell do I get to the northeast chests. Fuck. :Rebecca: - BECKEH! Getting her Steel ASAP so she can at least hope to OHKO peggies. :Rath: - I am totally going to get Clipsy to teach me her secrets. :Dorcas: - Damn it, I knew I should have given him to Harpoon. But then I might get Lucius. Hrm. :Isadora: - YESZ. I don't mind having her instead of Heath at all. In the chapters between getting them and getting Warp, flier utility really doesn't seem much better than cav rescue utility to me. Well, except for the desert. I'm kinda fucked in the desert. Becky and Rath had better not fail me. (even then, there are still archers and mages for Heath to worry about...) :Lowen: - Moar YESZ. Less availability than Kent/Sain, but he's around for 14 and 15 which are going to be really annoying. Defending Serra and the throne with a bunch of noobs? I will laugh if I'm the only one who manages 15 Marcus-less. I guess Horace has a good shot at it with Oswin (and Eliwood, lol) though. Overall - fuuuuuuuuuuuuck HHM why did I do this. When I get to the Ch22 secret shop I am going to be like "HERE MYSTERIOUS VENDOR CHICK PLEASE TAKE ALL MY MONEY". All that's left after getting killers in 21, anyway. Edit: Holy crap, apparently Uhai's Orion's Bolt is the only one in HHM aside from the secret shop in Denning's chapter? This suuuuuuuuxxxx. Rebecca just became < Nino in my expectations. Edit: Apparently a path to the chests appears on turn 30. So if I've already taken care of everything else, and have an escort for Matthew who can ORKO the Sniper, it'll only cost 5 turns to train Nino, and get an Angelic Robe and Speedwings and Recover. The gold for selling the Fell Contract is probably useless this far into the game, unless maybe I decide to promote Becky after all. Edited December 16, 2011 by zahlman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 So I'm recording this shit, partially because my HHM file is S-ranked, and it won't show Serra with the drops (Heeeaathhhh) and partially because I suck at writing analysis's, and I can just upload it in like, one fell swoop pretty much. Done Lyn Mode now, I'll leave moar details in a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 (edited) Post reserved for Lyn's Mode. Turncounts are as follows: P - 5 1 - 4 2 - 4 3 - 4? 4 - 8 5 - 4 6 - 4 7 - 6? 7x - -1 8 - 5? Might be 4, I'll have to double check the video 9 - 4 10 - 10 (IIRC, Lyn walks to the throne in 12) total so far: 57 turns The highlight was Kent being able to ORKO Lundgren with the hammer Edited December 16, 2011 by General Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Edit: Holy crap, apparently Uhai's Orion's Bolt is the only one in HHM aside from the secret shop in Denning's chapter? This suuuuuuuuxxxx. Rebecca just became < Nino in my expectations. There's always Earth Seals. You can get one from a village in the first Lloyd/Linus map, or steal one in Zephiel's chapter. They're both pretty tough to obtain, however, so you may not get one until Victory or Death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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