Scarlet Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 But yeah, th12, I know. Practice lots, and get the blue ones. I can't even beat 12 with only the red and green UFOs because Shou is too ridiculous. 1ccing it, obviously. Nothing else is really noteworthy. And here I was proud of myself for recently 1ccing Ten Desires on Hard. I think I'm gonna go cry in a corner now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naglfar Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 I meant 1ccing as opposed to continuing. :( Touhou's one of the easier examples of shmups, so I'm kind of hoping to get on top of it before maybe trying to loop some harder stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmKALLL Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I think TH's easiness is a little overgeneralized - sure, the TH series in general isn't that hard and anything not Lunatic or Extra is really easy in perspective, but for example most of Cave's shmups are pretty linear and the older ones have very basic patterns. Basic isn't by any means the same as easy, but they are often just general dodging, just really tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) @Naglfar: Still. I had 0 extra lives left on my successful Hard 1cc. I had 0 extra lives left after my successful run of the Extra Stage. I'm probably not gonna 1cc any Touhou game on Lunatic anytime soon. Heck, I'm probably not gonna 1cc any of the non-TH13 games on Hard anytime soon. D: I've seen a lot of videos of Cave's SHMUPs, and they don't look any harder to me than Touhou. Sure, maybe they have tighter/faster bullets. But they also have much more generic patterns, and from what I've seen, at least one of the games allows you to go into some kind of invincibility mode almost non-stop, which kinda defeats the point. Honestly, I think it's silly to try and compare completely different series in difficulty. From what I've seen, it simply looks like a different kind of difficulty. Edited March 11, 2012 by Shade of Shadow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naglfar Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 Despite all of this, it's pretty common knowledge that Touhou gives you millions of extends and ultimately doesn't get as intense as a lot of other shmups. But Cave has really boring patterns and is visually oversaturated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) Well, "millions of extends" is a bit exaggerated. You used to be allowed 10 misses in the earlier games and still 1cc them if you played optimally otherwise (trust me, I've 1cc'd the games with 0 extra lives remaining way too often), but that's been kind of toned down in the more recent entries. UFO gives you like one or two extends at best unless you specifically cripple your score to get more, and Ten Desires plain doesn't give you more than four even if you specifically use all of your trance to double the worth of all purple spirits not dropped by bosses. Also... Hold on, no Hitbox patch for TH06? Why? My copy of the game came with both that and the retexture patch pre-installed, and I don't even know how to remove it. Besides, it doesn't change the gameplay - whether you learn your exact hitbox through trial and error or through a simple visual aid, it doesn't change anything in the long run. Edited March 11, 2012 by Shade of Shadow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naglfar Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 Well, "millions of extends" is a bit exaggerated. You used to be allowed 10 misses in the earlier games and still 1cc them if you played optimally otherwise (trust me, I've 1cc'd the games with 0 extra lives remaining way too often), but that's been kind of toned down in the more recent entries. UFO gives you like one or two extends at best unless you specifically cripple your score to get more, and Ten Desires plain doesn't give you more than four even if you specifically use all of your trance to double the worth of all purple spirits not dropped by bosses. Ten is a fuckload. Also... Hold on, no Hitbox patch for TH06? Why? My copy of the game came with both that and the retexture patch pre-installed, and I don't even know how to remove it. Besides, it doesn't change the gameplay - whether you learn your exact hitbox through trial and error or through a simple visual aid, it doesn't change anything in the long run. Apparently it does have an effect on the hitbox of certain bullets? This is just what KAL is telling me. Oh yeah, new rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Ten is a fuckload. From what I know, the CAVE SHMUPs also have one stage less than Touhou per game, and if I'm not mistaken, you get bombs in them simply by shooting stuff for a while. So maybe you get more lives in Touhou, but CAVE apparently gives you a lot more bombs instead. Apparently it does have an effect on the hitbox of certain bullets? This is just what KAL is telling me. I'm pretty sure it doesn't. Those huge bubble-shaped bullets for example are known to have a ridiculously large hitbox in TH06, and they still have that same hitbox in the patched version. I kindly request that you reconsider that rule, as otherwise I won't be able to participate in TH06 in the first place, as I'm not gonna get a copy without the hitbox patch just for this draft when I already have a copy that works perfectly fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmKALLL Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I'm fine with hitboxpatch allowed. It's quite a big difference though honestly, since the white gives a contrast with everything else and therefore you can see it clearly even when not concentrating on it or while using your peripheral vision due to concentrating on oncoming bullets in the middle of the screen. Eh, I kinda recalled reading it modifying the hitbox of those big bubbles, but I'm by no means sure. It might just as easily be not so, as you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naglfar Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 From what I know, the CAVE SHMUPs also have one stage less than Touhou per game, and if I'm not mistaken, you get bombs in them simply by shooting stuff for a while. So maybe you get more lives in Touhou, but CAVE apparently gives you a lot more bombs instead. They loop, and have a sixth stage at the end of the second loop. Fair enough on the bombs thing. I'm pretty sure it doesn't. Those huge bubble-shaped bullets for example are known to have a ridiculously large hitbox in TH06, and they still have that same hitbox in the patched version.I kindly request that you reconsider that rule, as otherwise I won't be able to participate in TH06 in the first place, as I'm not gonna get a copy without the hitbox patch just for this draft when I already have a copy that works perfectly fine. K, reconsidered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmKALLL Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Well, there would be no way to tell whether a person used it or not anyway, so it doesn't really even matter in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naglfar Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 Actually, if there was a difference, it would become apparent when the replay is played on a version of the game without the patch. Does anyone know where Em is? I think he might do well to find someone to draft for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Thanks. Does anyone know where Em is? I think he might do well to find someone to draft for him. No, and in fact I've been wondering the same thing. Maybe replace him if he doesn't post by tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naglfar Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 Who would we replace him with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Yourself, if you're still up for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmKALLL Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Or he could just post his picks to you. I thought about doing so if you others are really fast - but then suddenly it froze. He has his reasons, I'm sure, but.. ..yeah. Since Nag isn't in the draft, it wouldn't be much bother or any issue to just post picks to him. (unless you mind getting PM'd or don't have the time yourself or something? lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 (edited) Seeing how Em apparently stopped existing, can we move on, please? Edited March 13, 2012 by Shade of Shadow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmKALLL Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Well, I guess Naglfar should take the fourth place? I don't personally mind a three-player draft either, but.. I think it's far more complete with four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naglfar Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 okay yeah, I'll take the slot For me... th08 Youmu and th10 MarisaC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmKALLL Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Aria of Forbidden Magic -team. (That would be TH8 MAlice for me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 TH8 SakuRemi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 TH8 SakuRemi Damn yooou! >:( In that case, I'm in no rush to pick TH08 characters... TH13: Reimu TH07: Reimu B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Well... um TH6 ReimuA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmKALLL Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 TH7 Marisa A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naglfar Posted March 15, 2012 Author Share Posted March 15, 2012 Hm. th06 MarisaA, th12 SanaeA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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