Bryan Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 What do you think about this project? I'm curious what you all think. http://www.thevenusproject.com/ Is it BS? Is it a vision of the future; Never to be achieved because of greed? You tell me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I've actually spoken to somebody who very much supported it. It's a nice idea, but it's asking a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Basically, it's communism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celice Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I don't think it's actually asking a lot. Well, at least the zeitgeist movement isn't (resource-based economies). All it asks is that you stop doing backward, stupid, nonsensical things concerning the environment around you, and how one provides access to these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 Basically, it's communism. In a way, except that nobody has to work. So it's not "Work and then you get fed, or if you don't work, you'll still get fed" That's what fails about Communism. This wouldn't see anybody working, unless they wanted to, so it's different. I like that this guy has actually thought about these things. A lot of the technology has already been created, so it's not completely unreasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 In a way, except that nobody has to work. So it's not "Work and then you get fed, or if you don't work, you'll still get fed" That's what fails about Communism. No, that's not communism, that sounds more like capitalism. After all, in capitalism, the idea is generally that if you don't work, you don't make any money and you can't buy anything. This wouldn't see anybody working, unless they wanted to, so it's different. No, it isn't. Communism is the attempt to create a society without class divisions or money or private property. That is exactly the same as what this person is proposing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defeatist Elitist Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Basically, this guy is saying we should try to achieve the society they have in Star Trek, which is at least a decent goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blademaster! Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Utopian Ideal = Not possible. It would be nice if one day we could have something like this, but we never will. People will always be needing to work in society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sholes Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Terrible idea... If people don't work then they get lazy and useless. Basically everyone would be fat and only live to be about forty(probably not an accurate number but whatever :/). I just think this would be a really bad idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I interpreted the point to be to maximize food production with technologies already available, economics be damned. It would take more research to argue either way comfortably, but it sounds to me more like they're supposing "if we pull this off everybody can eat" more than "everybody can stop working." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defeatist Elitist Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I interpreted the point to be to maximize food production with technologies already available, economics be damned. It would take more research to argue either way comfortably, but it sounds to me more like they're supposing "if we pull this off everybody can eat" more than "everybody can stop working." Yeah, I believe the idea is that, with modern technology and/or technology that's not far off, we should be able to create a society where people don't necessarily have to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sholes Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Yeah, I believe the idea is that, with modern technology and/or technology that's not far off, we should be able to create a society where people don't necessarily have to work. That concept just worries me, it's also, IMO, putting too much power in the hands of whatever group would be in charge of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Wright Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 That concept just worries me, it's also, IMO, putting too much power in the hands of whatever group would be in charge of this. That's the issue I take with this. If this idea were to ever go through, I think the governing body should be elected with a set amount of years of governing and a term limit. It's much more difficult to corrupt the government this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 That's the issue I take with this. If this idea were to ever go through, I think the governing body should be elected with a set amount of years of governing and a term limit. It's much more difficult to corrupt the government this way. Because no one dos anything unethical to achieve power in a seemingly utopian society, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Wright Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Because no one dos anything unethical to achieve power in a seemingly utopian society, right? I didn't say those would be the only precautions. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanarkin Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Terrible idea... If people don't work then they get lazy and useless. Basically everyone would be fat and only live to be about forty(probably not an accurate number but whatever :/). I just think this would be a really bad idea... We can all go do research and we'll go visit planets in the next few years :sparkle: In all seriousness however, i do not find that a real concern... You don't have to do excersise to stay skinny, simply because your body doesn't need all that energy and makes you eat less. Of course there are people that do overeat... Also, all that free time is horrible. What makes you think people wouldn't go do something else? If you don't have to work, you are going to go find something to keep yourself busy. As for project venus, its a nice idea. I have thought a few times of something like this, where people wouldn't work for money and didn't need to pay for various utilities like energy and stuff (although i haven't read this thing so excuse me if its a little bit off). However as things stand right now, i don't think it will work... if ever. It seems as with the way (most) people think (i must be better than others) it wouldn't work, because really everyone would be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celice Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) Because no one dos anything unethical to achieve power in a seemingly utopian society, right? You know, someone tried to argue this point a while ago, and when it came down to it, it was an argument based on the assumption that someone would want power in a world where power didn't really mean anything. There isn't a point in corrupting a system which provides universally with no cost--the concepts for which one would desire power would be fed regardless of if you had power or not. There's no longer any thing to control. Edited March 27, 2012 by Celice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Wright Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 You know, someone tried to argue this point a while ago, and when it came down to it, it was an argument based on the assumption that someone would want power in a world where power didn't really mean anything. There isn't a point in corrupting a system which provides universally with no cost--the concepts for which one would desire power would be fed regardless of if you had power or not. There's no longer any thing to control. So, literally a society of innovation and progress? That's something I can get behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 This sounds like that Wall-E movie.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defeatist Elitist Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 You know, someone tried to argue this point a while ago, and when it came down to it, it was an argument based on the assumption that someone would want power in a world where power didn't really mean anything. There isn't a point in corrupting a system which provides universally with no cost--the concepts for which one would desire power would be fed regardless of if you had power or not. There's no longer any thing to control. This. I don't find power for power's sake a particularly attractive concept, and I don't think there are that many people who really do. And even then, what motivation would they have to do anything that would make everyone else's lives worse, in such a society? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sholes Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 We can all go do research and we'll go visit planets in the next few years :sparkle: In all seriousness however, i do not find that a real concern... You don't have to do excersise to stay skinny, simply because your body doesn't need all that energy and makes you eat less. Of course there are people that do overeat... Also, all that free time is horrible. What makes you think people wouldn't go do something else? If you don't have to work, you are going to go find something to keep yourself busy. As for project venus, its a nice idea. I have thought a few times of something like this, where people wouldn't work for money and didn't need to pay for various utilities like energy and stuff (although i haven't read this thing so excuse me if its a little bit off). However as things stand right now, i don't think it will work... if ever. It seems as with the way (most) people think (i must be better than others) it wouldn't work, because really everyone would be the same. But most people (at least were I live) overeat while having to work. So if they don't work and they overeat in the extra free time they'd have more time to eat, and they probably wouldn't be doing as much, because they won't have to work, so they'd just get fatter and more useless. This may not be true of everywhere but where I live it would almost definitely happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanarkin Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 But most people (at least were I live) overeat while having to work. So if they don't work and they overeat in the extra free time they'd have more time to eat, and they probably wouldn't be doing as much, because they won't have to work, so they'd just get fatter and more useless. This may not be true of everywhere but where I live it would almost definitely happen. I'd like to believe people would follow the things they cared for in such a society... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sholes Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I'd like to believe people would follow the things they cared for in such a society... What do you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanarkin Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 What do you mean? I mean they would get hobbies. They would find something they love to do and do it and be good at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sholes Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I mean they would get hobbies. They would find something they love to do and do it and be good at it. It could happen, but it's more than likely that most people would just sit at home and watch TV or something all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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