New DLC content revealed for May 24th, 2012

[NeonZ]

For example; Elinica doesn't have swords available to her; even though in both FE9-10 she only had swords and staves (and a unique sword to boot). All they really needed to do was just switch her lance for a sword and it'd be done.

Elincia's sword hasn't been shown in FE13 though, unlike the Sol Katti which has already appeared as a weapon wielded by Lyn in a DLC chapter.If they weren't planning to make her a Swordmaster, they could easily have made it just an A rank sword usable by any class. Now, there's a chance they could make her 'special" to make her compatible with that weapon in another class, but considering how they didn't bother to make Alm compatible with Krom's and Masked Marth's Falchions, I don't think they'll give Lyn any special treatment.

Edited May 17, 2012 by NeonZ

[Othin]

Good point. It does bring up a question for me though. Can Marth still wield Falchion if he's not in Star Lord Class? Same question for Krom as well. If so, it wouldn't be hard for them to code in an exception for Lyn to always be able to equip Sol Katti regardless of her class.

Falchion is character-dependent: class doesn't matter as long as the character can equip any sort of swords. Rapiers and Noble Rapiers, however, are specific to the Lord, Great Lord, and Star Lord classes, regardless of the character with the class.

There is currently no precedent for a weapon to be tied to both a class and a character. There is dark magic that's tied to both a class and a skill, but that's a much larger group than just Amatsu and Sol Katti for the Myrmidon weapons.

Maybe that'd be a new female-only class we get, though, considering Alm gave us a male-only class.

Doubt it: it doesn't seem like it would compare well to Demon Fighter, as a sword specialist compared to a unique three-weapon user.

I think it's pretty likely we'll see Celica with a female counterpart for Alm's class. The reason they chose Alm for that kind of thing in the first place was likely Gaiden's lack of popularity, so he needed a big extra to sell. The same probably will go to Celica.

This is what I'm thinking, as well. Cellica also would fit her own three-weapon class, with swords, tomes, and staffs corresponding to her original weapons. It's likely that they chose three weapons for Alm in preparation for that for Cellica.

[Lakmé]

The Divine Weapons map looks like FE7 22x to me...

And is it just me or does Celice look like Rickard ?

Edited May 17, 2012 by Goddess Anna

[Melonhead]

....ehhh.. not one of my favorites. Everything from the neck down is pretty awesome though.

(above post) yeah, he DOES look like Rickard.

Edited May 17, 2012 by Melonhead215

[Arch]

I'm definitely not a fan of the new Serlis. Swordmaster works since Shanan trained him, but I'd rather not have him as DLC at all. I think I'll be skipping this purchase.

[Squidorsky]

Elincia's sword hasn't been shown in FE13 though, unlike the Sol Katti which has already appeared as a weapon wielded by Lyn in a DLC chapter./quote]

Course this could be to make up for the fact that they might have chosen Eliwood and Hector for the 2 for FE7, assuming this is what they're doing. Eliwood could take whatever class ephraim didn't and potentially Hector could be an Overlord, as i could see that fitting him, or just simply a general.

The stupid Sol katti throws off my guess for lyn's class. (An Assassain would make so much sense for her, sword and bows? How much closer could you get!?)

Whatever the case i hope they just include all the lord characters, forgoing a limit...then again 10 would be a mess to sort through...

[Shun One]

....ehhh.. not one of my favorites. Everything from the neck down is pretty awesome though.

(above post) yeah, he DOES look like Rickard.

Where does the name "Serlis" come from? I was under the impression his name was translated as Celice.

[BlueLore]

Considering the fact that her Ultimate Weapon the Sol Katti is available in this game as a weapon exclusive to Myrmidons and Swordmasters, I somehow doubt Lyn would be anything but those two classes. If Nintendo's planning on putting her in there for DLC.

well lyn could have a unique skill that allows her to use the sol katti in any class(maybe as a secondary effect because it would be a waste to equip a skill just for the sol katti).

All in all I think,that they are going to give every DLC character a different starting class,but some of them may have classes on the same class tree.

For example Celice seems to be a swordmaster,but it would be still possible for lyn to be a myrmidon.

It could be like this:

Marth-star lord

Alm-demon fighter

Celica-either a unique class similar to alms or dark knight/sage(since dark knights can use magic and swords just like her,but mage could be also possible,to give her sage as an option,to make staffs also a viable option)

Sigurd-cavalier

celice-swordmaster

leaf-trickster

roy-mercenary

eliwood-paladin

hector-fighter

lyn-myrmidon/asassin

ephraim-great knight

eirika-bow knight(since all other horse classes belong to someone else)

Ike-hero

Elincia(was most likely included because she was the main character in part two of rd and acted like a secondary lord at the end of PoR)-falcon knight

micaiah-dark mage

sothe(if he even gets included)-thief/assassin(if lyn isn't already an assassin)

Tibarn-doubt they'll include him at all even though he fulfilled the lord-role for a few chapters in radiant dawn,if they include him he would get an own unique class,maybe with the possibility to use beast stones to transform

[Thor Odinson]

I can't see Sigurd as a cavalier and Eliwood a Paladin. Eliwood cav and Sigurd Paladin, maybe, since Sigurd's starts promoted in FE4 and Eliwood isn't.

[BlueLore]

I can't see Sigurd as a cavalier and Eliwood a Paladin. Eliwood cav and Sigurd Paladin, maybe, since Sigurd's starts promoted in FE4 and Eliwood isn't.

that is the reason why I think sigurd would be the cavalier,since he was on a horse from the beginning,while eliwood only got his horse upon promotion,so it would be even weirder if the unpromoted eliwood would ride a horse.

[Otherarrow]

I can't see Sigurd as a cavalier and Eliwood a Paladin. Eliwood cav and Sigurd Paladin, maybe, since Sigurd's starts promoted in FE4 and Eliwood isn't.

Wasn't Eliwood a Paladin in FE6 though? Sigurd as a cavalier is indeed strange though.

[Thor Odinson]

Eliwood would represent FE7, most likely, in which case he is unpromoted. FE6 Eliwood isn't even playable until you beat the game n times and he has wrinkles.

[Murdok Dracul]

I like him. Still, it's good to see that people are willing to criticise someone other than Micaiah. Well done guys.

[Othin]

Wasn't Eliwood a Paladin in FE6 though? Sigurd as a cavalier is indeed strange though.

He was, but he didn't do much there from a gameplay perspective: he seems to be present as an FE7 representative. So while his propensity to having a horse is worth noting, his pre-promote status isn't so applicable.

But then, Leaf and Ephraim don't really have a reason from their own games to start promoted either. Regardless, it seems more plausible for an unpromoted character to become promoted than for a promoted character to become unpromoted: so if one of the two has to be unpromoted, it's Eliwood.

The main thing that stands out as odd to me with the idea of characters all having separate started classes is the Mages: Dierdre, Julia, Lillina, and Micaiah. I mean, we could see Dierdre start as a Sorcerer and either Julia or Lillina as a Sage, but it seems odd. Of course, the potential redundancy of those characters might also be a strike against my theories that would place them all as DLC in the first place, but I like those theories.

Cellica is of course not a concern due to her apparent likelihood of getting her own class, as well as having greater importance in her own game than the three of those four who have not yet seen a DLC release.

[Thor Odinson]

Ephraim is probably promoted because IS doesn't wanna give us a soldier

which I'm honestly fine with

[Shun One]

The main thing that stands out as odd to me with the idea of characters all having separate started classes is the Mages: Dierdre, Julia, Lillina, and Micaiah. I mean, we could see Dierdre start as a Sorcerer and either Julia or Lillina as a Sage, but it seems odd. Of course, the potential redundancy of those characters might also be a strike against my theories that would place them all as DLC in the first place, but I like those theories.

Cellica is of course not a concern due to her apparent likelihood of getting her own class, as well as having greater importance in her own game than the three of those four who have not yet seen a DLC release.

The class debacle isn't going to get us any where until we see two characters who could potentially have the same class. When either Eliwood and Sigurd or Ike get released, then we'll be in a better position to tell I'd say. The same could be said if Lyn get's released early, but I'm confident she'll start as Myrmidon.

The other female leads not being as important in their respective games is really the only thing against your theory at this point. I still you're right about the future DLC characters though. No other pattern would make sense and it fits thus far and there is the fact that Luchina can die.

[Arch]

Where does the name "Serlis" come from? I was under the impression his name was translated as Celice.

Intelligent Systems. Serlis is the official localization. It's being used in the updated translation patch as well.

Edited May 17, 2012 by Arch

[Othin]

Well, let's see. If we try to fit everything together without redundancy:

Marth - Star Lord

Caeda - Pegasus Knight

Alm - Demon Fighter

Cellica - ???

Sigurd - Paladin

Dierdre - Sorcerer

Serlis - Swordmaster

Julia - Mage

Leaf - Trickster

Nanna - Troubadour

Roy - Mercenary

Lillina - Sage

Eliwood - Cavalier

Lyn - Myrmidon

Eirika - ???

Ephraim - Great Knight

Ike - Hero

Elincia - Falcon Knight

Micaiah - Dark Mage

Sothe - Thief

Assuming Cellica gets her own class, the only one who seems to have issues fitting is Eirika. The possibilities remaining are Bow Knight and Dark Knight for sword users that aren't Assassin - they're both possible as variants of her Great Lord class, but they sound really odd.

[Emperor Hardin]

Assuming Cellica gets her own class, the only one who seems to have issues fitting is Eirika. The possibilities remaining are Bow Knight and Dark Knight for sword users that aren't Assassin - they're both possible as variants of her Great Lord class, but they sound really odd.

Great Knight is basically Axe Knight, so it wouldn't be that odd for Eirika to be a Bow Knight.

[Celice]

Intelligent Systems. Serlis is the official localization. It's being used in the updated translation patch as well.

Intelligent Systems most likely does not have employees in a branch of NoA which works in marketing and writing mass abstracts. Your implication that they are responsible for this is just bad

[Arch]

Intelligent Systems most likely does not have employees in a branch of NoA which works in marketing and writing mass abstracts. Your implication that they are responsible for this is just bad

The reason why the names were updated were to raise the translation to a level of continuity with the currently-localized game versions. That is the reason why Serlis has been added (the site Twilkitri linked, taken at a guess, is the most recent "official" use of the name; this is also why Sigurd is used, and not Zigludo).

You're so ridiculous sometimes, Serlis.

Maybe you should run for office? Shameless self-contradiction for the sake of disagreement is a requirement for that profession. You've got that qualification nailed down .

Edited May 17, 2012 by Arch

[NeonZ]

The class debacle isn't going to get us any where until we see two characters who could potentially have the same class. When either Eliwood and Sigurd or Ike get released, then we'll be in a better position to tell I'd say. The same could be said if Lyn get's released early, but I'm confident she'll start as Myrmidon.

Aren't the DLC characters starting with progressively higher levels though? I guess Micaiah -> Leaf was an exception, but that's mostly due to Micaiah following up the Spirit Talisman chapters, but it seems like everyone else from now on will start promoted, especially because the new chapters have much higher level opponents. It'd be odd to get a DLC character who'd be basically useless for a party strong enough to finish their mission.

Edited May 17, 2012 by NeonZ

[Shun One]

Intelligent Systems. Serlis is the official localization. It's being used in the updated translation patch as well.

Thanks. I wasn't aware of that before. *reprograms brain that Celice = Serlis unless it's Celice*

Aren't the DLC characters starting with progressively higher levels though? I guess Micaiah -> Leaf was an exception, but that's mostly due to Micaiah following up the Spirit Talisman chapters, but it seems like everyone else from now on will start promoted, especially because the new chapters have much higher level opponents. It'd be odd to get a DLC character who'd be basically useless for a party strong enough to finish their mission.

This is true. We'll see though. Some of the DLC's difficulties are low while others are exponentially high (Hello Ephraim)

Edited May 17, 2012 by Shun One

[Othin]

Aren't the DLC characters starting with progressively higher levels though? I guess Micaiah -> Leaf was an exception, and that's mostly due to Micaiah following up the Spirit Talisman chapters, but it seems like everyone else from now on will start promoted, especially because the new chapters have much higher level opponents. It'd be odd to get a DLC character who'd be basically useless for a party strong enough to finish their mission.

These DLC chapters also have progressively higher star ratings for difficulty. I imagine we may not have seen the last of the lower ratings: if they just keep going in this direction, they'll quickly run out of content. Ephraim's 4-star map has characters that could overwhelm endgame teams, each with five powerful skills, some of the best weapons in the game, and often a capped stat or two. I assume 5-star is the maximum, and if not, 6-star would probably consist of all capped stats, all ultimate weapons, and skillsets consisting mostly of Lunatic+ skills. Of course, HM would probably still do this for 5-star. There just isn't a lot of room to keep going.

[Celice]

You're so ridiculous sometimes, Serlis.

Maybe you should run for office? Shameless self-contradiction for the sake of disagreement is a requirement for that profession. You've got that qualification nailed down .

There's no words for you any more. You are that derp.