Just call me AL Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 I'm a bit disappointed Luna's not there, but not surprised. Firey Heart makes sense due to her personality. I wasn't expecting Acrobatics, but it makes sense considering that she was taught to hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterique Sign Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Well, just played it. Throwing 50 enemies at you feels like overkill... Lv 8, HP 44, STR 23, MAG 8, SKL 31, SPD 36, LUCK 21, DEF 14, RES 12, Sword A Skills: Fiery Heart, Avoid+10, Astra, Acrobatics Mods: SPD best, DEF worst Does Lyn have any dialogue with Mark? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remnant Sage Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) I haven't gotten Mark yet so I can't say. It turns out that it's Lucina that sparks the convo with Lyn. Edited July 5, 2012 by Remnant Sage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 It turns out that it's Lucina that sparks the convo with Lyn. That's... Actually pretty interesting even though it's a one shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted July 5, 2012 Author Share Posted July 5, 2012 I like that they kept the FE8 enemies as well, but I'm disappointed by the relatively tame weapon changes compared to KvK. It's a 4-star map and Soren uses Elwind even on HM? Not impressive. I do like that they kept expanding it to now fill the whole map, though. The three RvB maps stand out more in their distinction from one another than any other map so far, although I'd say most of them did fine in that area regardless. The return of the FE8 enemies has an interesting implication: Eirika returns as a Swordmaster. I had previously thought this wouldn't be possible, since KvK and RvB enemies were keeping constant stats between the maps, and a class change would mess with that. However, the fact that we now see it as possible removes the one obstacle to Ike taking on Paris's class when he shows up as DLC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterique Sign Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Lyn does have dialogue with MU though Thanks to /vg/ Lyn: ...I see, I have lost. How vexing...So you are the tacti- !? Eh...You...You are...!? Can it be...Unbelievable... ...Ah. I apologize for the outburst. It seems that I have confused you for someone else. You look very similar to my precious person...that person was also a tactician, and saved me countless times. Ah, that's right. Did you...lie collapsed somewhere in the past? >Yes Lyn: Of course! I knew it. The tactician I knew also was found collapsed three times...I do not think this is a coincidence. Um...does that mean tacticians will always be found lying somewhere? Lyn: I am Lyn, daughter of the Lorca tribe. Anyways, tell me about yourself. Where were you born? Have you ever been to our world? What? Amnesia...? If that's true...then it really might be you. Hey, take a good look at me. Can you remember anything? About the times we were together in the plains of Sacae...the times when we fought together with Eliwood...Do you have any memories of those past experiences? Pick: >No Lyn: I see...How unfortunate. You may be a different person from the one I knew. But...Alright, I've decided! Hey. If it's alright with you, take me along on your journey. Even if you really are a different person, I'm fine with that. I'll fight together with you, and confirm it with my own eyes. My swordsmanship will certainly be useful. I think I'll be useful as your bodyguard. >Sure Lyn: Watch me. I'll definitely become stronger. Pick: >Yes, I remember Lyn: Really...? Thank goodness! You remembered! I'm...so glad...we were able to meet again...I-I'm not crying. I'm just...so happy...Please, just let me stay like this a little longer... Lyn: ...Thank you. Yes, I'm better now. Hey, Let's return to Sacae together. Everyone will be happy to see you. Eh? You still have things you must do...? Alright. Then, I will help you out. I'll join you in this battle. Anyone who dares bar your path will be my enemy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airship Canon Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Lyn does have dialogue with MU though Thanks to /vg/ Lyn: ...I see, I have lost. How vexing...So you are the tacti- !? Eh...You...You are...!? Can it be...Unbelievable... ...Ah. I apologize for the outburst. It seems that I have confused you for someone else. You look very similar to my precious person...that person was also a tactician, and saved me countless times. Ah, that's right. Did you...lie collapsed somewhere in the past? >Yes Lyn: Of course! I knew it. The tactician I knew also was found collapsed three times...I do not think this is a coincidence. Um...does that mean tacticians will always be found lying somewhere? Lyn: I am Lyn, daughter of the Lorca tribe. Anyways, tell me about yourself. Where were you born? Have you ever been to our world? What? Amnesia...? If that's true...then it really might be you. Hey, take a good look at me. Can you remember anything? About the times we were together in the plains of Sacae...the times when we fought together with Eliwood...Do you have any memories of those past experiences? Pick: >No Lyn: I see...How unfortunate. You may be a different person from the one I knew. But...Alright, I've decided! Hey. If it's alright with you, take me along on your journey. Even if you really are a different person, I'm fine with that. I'll fight together with you, and confirm it with my own eyes. My swordsmanship will certainly be useful. I think I'll be useful as your bodyguard. >Sure Lyn: Watch me. I'll definitely become stronger. Pick: >Yes, I remember Lyn: Really...? Thank goodness! You remembered! I'm...so glad...we were able to meet again...I-I'm not crying. I'm just...so happy...Please, just let me stay like this a little longer... Lyn: ...Thank you. Yes, I'm better now. Hey, Let's return to Sacae together. Everyone will be happy to see you. Eh? You still have things you must do...? Alright. Then, I will help you out. I'll join you in this battle. Anyone who dares bar your path will be my enemy! So Mark (FEA) isn't Mark (FE7), but MU is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrick Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Lyn does have dialogue with MU though Thanks to /vg/ Lyn: ...I see, I have lost. How vexing...So you are the tacti- !? Eh...You...You are...!? Can it be...Unbelievable... ...Ah. I apologize for the outburst. It seems that I have confused you for someone else. You look very similar to my precious person...that person was also a tactician, and saved me countless times. Ah, that's right. Did you...lie collapsed somewhere in the past? >Yes Lyn: Of course! I knew it. The tactician I knew also was found collapsed three times...I do not think this is a coincidence. Um...does that mean tacticians will always be found lying somewhere? Lyn: I am Lyn, daughter of the Lorca tribe. Anyways, tell me about yourself. Where were you born? Have you ever been to our world? What? Amnesia...? If that's true...then it really might be you. Hey, take a good look at me. Can you remember anything? About the times we were together in the plains of Sacae...the times when we fought together with Eliwood...Do you have any memories of those past experiences? Pick: >No Lyn: I see...How unfortunate. You may be a different person from the one I knew. But...Alright, I've decided! Hey. If it's alright with you, take me along on your journey. Even if you really are a different person, I'm fine with that. I'll fight together with you, and confirm it with my own eyes. My swordsmanship will certainly be useful. I think I'll be useful as your bodyguard. >Sure Lyn: Watch me. I'll definitely become stronger. Pick: >Yes, I remember Lyn: Really...? Thank goodness! You remembered! I'm...so glad...we were able to meet again...I-I'm not crying. I'm just...so happy...Please, just let me stay like this a little longer... Lyn: ...Thank you. Yes, I'm better now. Hey, Let's return to Sacae together. Everyone will be happy to see you. Eh? You still have things you must do...? Alright. Then, I will help you out. I'll join you in this battle. Anyone who dares bar your path will be my enemy! ...Okay, why not just have this conversation with Mark? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Mercenary Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Well, just played it. Throwing 50 enemies at you feels like overkill... Lv 8, HP 44, STR 23, MAG 8, SKL 31, SPD 36, LUCK 21, DEF 14, RES 12, Sword A Skills: Fiery Heart, Avoid+10, Astra, Acrobatics Mods: SPD best, DEF worst Oh, didn't expect her to get the level 10 unpromoted skill as the exclusive one, although it does fit her. What if Mark is Lyn's Mark, and MU reminds them of Mark? Although with all the alternate timeline jumble, Mark is only one of the possible tacticians sent to Elibe depending on what goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Book of Ereshkigal Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 They really should've just had that conversation with Mark. A nice connection, nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airship Canon Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 ...Okay, why not just have this conversation with Mark? To break that theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Bleh, I really don't like the idea of Mark or MU being the tactician from FE7. In fact, I still don't really like these MU-type characters anyway. Ah, well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrick Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 To break that theory. But then why introduce that theory in the first place? Don't tell me having a tactician unit named Mark, who can be both male and female, and who arrives from an entirely separate dimension with amnesia isn't strongly implying a connection to Elibe. It's a small thing, but frankly a pretty annoying one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 A callback or a shout-out, perhaps? :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airship Canon Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 But then why introduce that theory in the first place? Don't tell me having a tactician unit named Mark, who can be both male and female, and who arrives from an entirely separate dimension with amnesia isn't strongly implying a connection to Elibe. It's a small thing, but frankly a pretty annoying one. Mark isn't any more a different dimension than the other kids. (Which, yes, the alternate timelines are different dimensions, but it's not that different) and has amnesia because IS didn't want to write that much- they didn't introduce the theory, we/the fans did. They did this to reinforce the idea that MU = Player and to sink that theory before it got out of hand and FE turns into the next Zelda and they have to start explaining things they don't want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrick Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Mark isn't any more a different dimension than the other kids. (Which, yes, the alternate timelines are different dimensions, but it's not that different) and has amnesia because IS didn't want to write that much- they didn't introduce the theory, we/the fans did. They did this to reinforce the idea that MU = Player and to sink that theory before it got out of hand and FE turns into the next Zelda and they have to start explaining things they don't want to. Mark comes from a separate dimension than the rest of the children. Pretending that the amnesia was "accidental" and not an intentional shout-out is empty speculation and rather laughable (seriously, look at how many supports are in this game; you really think they just got lazy?). Then you have the facts that Mark is named, uh, Mark, can be both male and female, and is a tactician. Sorry, but they dropped the ball here. I feel cheated out of what should have been an awesome reveal. EDIT: Here's a nice little dose of apologetics from GameFAQs that helps fit things a little better together. Perhaps naming the kid Mark was just MU remembering that name from the FE7 time before getting dropped here and losing their memories. After all, MU must be very special if Gimle wanted their body. Edited July 5, 2012 by Westbrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted July 5, 2012 Author Share Posted July 5, 2012 That is not a battlefield conversation. It's the one all the characters have at the end of their maps: the person she's conversing with is not necessarily MU, but the player. It's impossible to draw conclusions from this without comparing to the conversations the other characters have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momo Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Also doesn't mean it's true that MU was FE7's Mark. Saying Yes might just be lying, like saying No is if it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrick Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Also doesn't mean it's true that MU was FE7's Mark. Saying Yes might just be lying, like saying No is if it isn't. Oh, I don't think anyone's denying this. Just seems a little jarring that the game would strongly imply that Mark was the FE7 tactician for the longest time, and now strongly imply that MU is in fact the FE7 tactician. No certainly, but that comes with the retcon territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonZ Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Mark isn't any more a different dimension than the other kids. (Which, yes, the alternate timelines are different dimensions, but it's not that different) and has amnesia because IS didn't want to write that much- they didn't introduce the theory, we/the fans did. They did this to reinforce the idea that MU = Player and to sink that theory before it got out of hand and FE turns into the next Zelda and they have to start explaining things they don't want to. I don't see how your theory makes any sense here. It's not like they're denying the connection to FE7, they're just changing it from the expected Mark to the MU. Although... That conversation is from the ending of the chapter, so it's not really shown the person the guest unit is having a conversation with, but the way she calls him the army's tactician implies that it's the My Unit there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLore Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Also doesn't mean it's true that MU was FE7's Mark. Saying Yes might just be lying, like saying No is if it isn't. yeah,especially since lyn says,that the MU looks similar to the tactician,which may hint at a realationship. And since MU suffers from amnesia,he/she might simply think he/she remembers,but is actually wrong(or simply lies about it to make lyn feel better) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momo Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Oh, I don't think anyone's denying this. Just seems a little jarring that the game would strongly imply that Mark was the FE7 tactician for the longest time, and now strongly imply that MU is in fact the FE7 tactician. No certainly, but that comes with the retcon territory. Yeah, it's weird. I think it'd be better for everyone if they just kept it at references. Definitely don't want a game branching 13 to 7 or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I'm very sure the DLC characters are talking to MU at the end. Not just because they call them the army's tactician (and MU is *the* army's tactician), but AFAIK Celice remarks... that the person they're speaking to has a holy marking like themselves, which MU does have. I need to check the convo again to check though, since it was a while ago. If MU was FE7's Tactician, I don't really understand how everything fits in time-wise. How did they get thrown from Iris to Elibe (for Blazing Sword) and then back to Iris in time for Awakening? Maybe it's a bit like Katarina remarking how MU is similar to somebody she loves knows (Chris or FE12's MU). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonZ Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 If MU was FE7's Tactician, I don't really understand how everything fits in time-wise. How did they get thrown from Iris to Elibe (for Blazing Sword) and then back to Iris in time for Awakening? The FE13 MU has a full backstory that ties him to Iris, right? I think I've read somewhere that it's eventually revealed. In that case, yes, it does make things unnecessarily complicated. Really, they should have just made FE13 Mark into FE7 Mark too. As it stands, the FE13 MU seems to have an unnecessarily complicated backstory (which is pretty odd for a player avatar), while FE13 Mark has nearly none... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted July 6, 2012 Author Share Posted July 6, 2012 (edited) Maybe Lyn is just mistaken? What sorts of questions do the others ask? I should mention that the default answer for any of the questions the DLC characters ask is "no". That's where your cursor starts, and that's what you tend to hit if you're just scrolling through the dialogue. Edited July 6, 2012 by Othin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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