shadykid Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) Some skirmishes are hard even on Normal. oh come on now, that's BS regular Lunatic definitely doesn't need grinding Lunatic+ doesn't need grinding either, but does need some luck on enemy skills Edited February 28, 2013 by shadykid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 My problem is not I can not beat Lunatic in my 1st play. My problem is: we all have to grind, and pay money, anytime we need to beat Lunatic. No. You don't. Your expectation is that "I SHOULD be able to beat Lunatic without DLC grinding" on your FIRST playthough. That's a stupid expectation. Which is why you set yourself up for disappointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikt Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Do we though? Im not exactly sure that its necessary to use the DLC for that on any mode. Lunatic+ is another story because thats Lunatic on steroids.... Because if you really WANT to grind but dont wanna pay for the DLC, you could use reeking boxes/skirmishes and spotpass stuff. Those are impossible to beat. I'm at chapter 5 and stucked with the main story. I can not beat the Risen skirmish too. I can not beat the Spotpass as well. The only thing I can do now is grinding the DLC map. After doing some grinds, Lunatic will become my CAKE! I sound like a jerk but to stop anyone from saying: "oh little man, Lunatic is too difficult for you, Play Normal first." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 If all else fails, watch Rey's videos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) Those are impossible to beat. I'm at chapter 5 and stucked with the main story. I can not beat the Risen skirmish too. I can not beat the Spotpass as well. The only thing I can do now is grinding the DLC map. After doing some grinds, Lunatic will become my CAKE! I sound like a jerk but to stop anyone from saying: "oh little man, Lunatic is too difficult for you, Play Normal first." That's EXACTLY what you're doing. Lunatic Classic is perfectly beatable without grinding. You are only complaining and being disappointed because you were expecting to beat it on your first playthrough. It didn't work out that way. Too bad. But it isn't a legit reason to be disappointed about the game's design. That's entirely YOUR fault. And your mindset that Lunatic is IMPOSSIBLE without grinding is nothing but being thickheaded and refusing to listen to what other people have been saying. Edited February 28, 2013 by shadowofchaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Those are impossible to beat. I'm at chapter 5 and stucked with the main story. I can not beat the Risen skirmish too. I can not beat the Spotpass as well. The only thing I can do now is grinding the DLC map. After doing some grinds, Lunatic will become my CAKE! I sound like a jerk but to stop anyone from saying: "oh little man, Lunatic is too difficult for you, Play Normal first." Gah, I give up! >.< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Lunatic Classic is perfectly beatable without grinding. the real question is, can you do it on 0% growths j/k, you'd probably get murdered, unless you bought spotpass King Marth or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikt Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 That's EXACTLY what you're doing. Lunatic Classic is perfectly beatable without grinding. You are only complaining and being disappointed because you were expecting to beat it on your first playthrough. It didn't work out that way. Too bad. But it isn't a legit reason to be disappointed about the game's design. That's entirely YOUR fault. And your mindset that Lunatic is IMPOSSIBLE without grinding is nothing but being thickheaded and refusing to listen to what other people have been saying. I'm open to all critiques. Don't be unfair to me by saying "thickheaded" or "refusing". I said very clearly from the start, I'm new to the game, I might be a noob, but if anyone can prove me wrong, I'm happy. Question: do you yourselves buy the DLC, grind in whatever early playthroughs, gain some advantages, and use those advantages when you start playing your "Lunatic without grind"? That's number 1st playthrough or 1290th is not the point here. If No - ok, so the game's highest difficulty can be beaten without spending any money. I have been a noob. But I'm happy for the "able" challenges and big thanks to you for pointing that out. If Yes - well, you pay to win. Don't hide it by delaying it to 2nd playthrough or 2520th playthrough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanami Touko Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I've seen and talked to people who have played and beaten the game on lunatic before the DLC was released, so I'm pretty sure it's possible. Will it be enjoyable? Ahahahahahahahaha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikt Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I've seen and talked to people who have played and beaten the game on lunatic before the DLC was released, so I'm pretty sure it's possible. Will it be enjoyable? Ahahahahahahahaha. Cool! That's all the answer & info I seek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 For the record, i did not buy the DLC until after my initial run through the game. In fact, it was actually in the latter part of my second run did i purchase the DLC. And i dont even have the third wave of DLC released. | Im doing a hard mode run because i wanted to see what hard mode was like in this game. Turns out its not that hard even without the DLC/skirmishes/spotpass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwall Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Yeah, like what others have been saying, Lunatic doesn't require grinding. I and plenty of other people have beaten Lunatic without grinding, DLC, etc (well, I did have Morgan on my team, which made the game a bit easier towards the end than it otherwise would have been). As long as you're distributing experience to people not named Frederick, every stage can be beaten reliably without needing to grind. Skirmishes at the Longfort stage (Chapter 3) are pretty beatable as long as you plop Frederick (early in the game) or Avatar (late in the game) on the one Gate panel. back to the original topic: yeah, slightly disappointed in the lazy gameplay design, but it's still a fun game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) Cool! That's all the answer & info I seek. I've been saying that from the START. That's what the Lunatic Club thread was for. If you're stuck, ask help there. I was calling you thickheaded because you weren't listening to the fact that I've said people have beaten Lunatic without the need for any grinding and you being disappointed saying that it was IMPOSSIBLE to beat Lunatic Classic without grinding from YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE. If you're a newbie, the best way to learn is to start listening instead of simply saying "I'm a noob". Edited February 28, 2013 by shadowofchaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Lunatic is beatable without any grinding/DLC and pretty much any character is usable without grinding/DLC. It is incredibly easy to break if you're smart (Protip: Sol is good, stacking -breaker and other +avoid skills is good, Nosferatu is good), and the stat scaling in the game + Pair Up means you can do stupid things like Avatar solo and get to+beat Grima in 3 hours real time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Lunatic is beatable without any grinding/DLC and pretty much any character is usable without grinding/DLC. It is incredibly easy to break if you're smart (Protip: Sol is good, stacking -breaker and other +avoid skills is good, Nosferatu is good), and the stat scaling in the game + Pair Up means you can do stupid things like Avatar solo and get to+beat Grima in 3 hours real time. speedruns of this game will be very interesting, to say the least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Again, someone please yells to me: "you are a noob. I can beat Lunatic without paying real money". We've been yelling this at you from the start. wtf is the point if you're just going to protest "I know what I'm doing, even though I've never played even halfway through the game before"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious Yogurt Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 The only things that have really bugged me are all story-related. Why introduce the Taguel if they have no plot relevance? What was the point of the Valm arc, and why are the children chapters 10X more compelling? (opinon of course) Why did they make a shit ton of supports for most of the characters, but then just fizzle out with the last 5 or so? Outside of that there's a crap ton of replay value with solid play mechanics. Outside of a few skill imbalances I have no problems anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritsuioko23 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 The only thing I'm dissapointed in is the DLC =_= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geozeldadude Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share Posted March 3, 2013 The only things that have really bugged me are all story-related. Why introduce the Taguel if they have no plot relevance? What was the point of the Valm arc, and why are the children chapters 10X more compelling? (opinon of course) Why did they make a shit ton of supports for most of the characters, but then just fizzle out with the last 5 or so? Outside of that there's a crap ton of replay value with solid play mechanics. Outside of a few skill imbalances I have no problems anywhere else. i totally agree with you about the taguel. that always bugged me about the hatari in FE10 as well. i def. agree w/ you about some of the skills just being ridiculous, e.g. counter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 i totally agree with you about the taguel. that always bugged me about the hatari in FE10 as well. i def. agree w/ you about some of the skills just being ridiculous, e.g. counter. eh counter is only effective on the enemy, so idk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangrel Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Cool! That's all the answer & info I seek. That's also only what you WANTED to hear. Honestly, why do stubborn people ask people to tell them what they want to hear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geozeldadude Posted March 4, 2013 Author Share Posted March 4, 2013 eh counter is only effective on the enemy, so idk what do you mean? enemies can have counter and activate against you also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 what do you mean? enemies can have counter and activate against you also. He means counter being on the enemies is a hell of a lot more useful for them than you having it. They can walk up to you and suicide and take you down with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.C. Amigo Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 There were some storyline problems (Felt the Gangrel arc went too fast and Grima being too underdeveloped) and some of the class options bugged me, but this was a fine game all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Starwind Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I finally got around to finishing it. I thought the supports, the pairing, and the children were all really fun. However, as others have said the story was lacking. Everything felt rushed to me when dealing with story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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