Bluedoom Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Tbf he could be lying since he effectively tried to cc before Baldy announced there could be dupes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Also I don't get why he thinks Darros is scum when frankly the dude claimed 3rd party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 It's frankly possible that scum just chose to claim as emm since that wouldn't be a priority lynch target for us and the real emm most likely wouldn't out that especially if she is self-aligned. However I still want better reasons than that. And currently I will not vote Areox this phase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Well I wouldn't mind lynching one of Prims/ Elieson for lackluster play overall so that's always there if we're not lynching Areox. And do you have suggestions Shinori? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I think SB should be reviewed if you haven't looked over his ISO. I have off feelings about prims and because of your really half-hearted/weak push on Areox I question your alignment. But you have that donnie claim so idk. I still think SB/prims at the moment should be looked at. FRANKLY worst comes to worst we could no lynch seeing as scum killed a third-party and we lynched scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Good luck getting a no-lynch. Frankly I'm just frustrated with the activity and what people are doing atm. My town reads happen to be you, SB and Paper. Everyone else is relatively doing the same thing- commenting on stuff without posting reads, or posting lackluster reads and not saying anything more. Ok so I read Lucina view on Shinori vs SB. Sounds like taking sides, I don't see how someone's scummy for having a worser defence, especially when you like both the cases on each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Ok apparently from worse defence to no defence ok. Still don't think its scummy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I'm going to sleep. Let's not lynch Areox or me. Thanks <3 I'm sure we can arrive at a decision elsewhere though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Ok, now a better case. ##Unvote ##Vote: Prims Ugh on second thought I am too tired to read any of this. I skimmed ISOs though. Lynch me if I haven't posted real content and elaborated on this by the end of the day. SB/Elie/Darros/Marf are all bad lynches. Lucina isn't great but I got townvibes from Rapier D1. Paper is possible scum who made a prod vote on his buddy then decided to just ride the cred when things went sour, he hasn't really done anything townie this game. Note that Smilies never bothered to try and safe himself with a Paper vote when his buddies should've been screaming at him to do so. Couldn't really get a handle on Kay or Boron. Shinori looks better lately tbh. Honestly I still like Areox vote the most. He seems to have basic understanding of Mafia but coasted through D1 and needed votes on him to post content, and he's still not even voting. Still stand by scumteam probably consisting of lurkers/weaker players based on the D1 turnout and Areox falls into both categories. Bold, allow me to elaborate. First off Areox actually voted so it really just sounds like a lazy point against him. He voted Paperblade. Next if they're both claiming supporters I don't get why you'd say both of them are probable scum without looking into the matter. Next if you're going to accuse someone of being scum I'd have assumed at least you would read their ISO properly. You also haven't explained why you think Paper has done nothing townie throughout the game but SOMEHOW you were able to town-read Rapier's What-the-fuck jokeposts. Furthermore there are signs of you bussing smilies since you just kept saying how smilies was scummy but never doing anything about it (vote on me considered lazy as well). This argument is mostly full of holes(because you can always say you were tired and skimmed and I can't argue against that) and grasping and all but what the hell I honestly can't think of anything else to go after and I don't wanna votepark on someone I think might be town just because of 'newbie stuff.' Also I won't be around endphase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Ok fuck it after editing many times I forget to bold. Meh ##Unvote ##Vote: Prims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 It might be a little late in the phase unless Baldrick wants to give us an extension~ Play as though I will refuse to give you an extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I glossed over Areox's vote post while skimming, whoops. Either way I still find him needing a wagon on him to post content scummy. Furthermore there are signs of you bussing smilies since you just kept saying how smilies was scummy but never doing anything about it (vote on me considered lazy as well). Initially I didn't switch to him because deadline was approaching fast, I still found you scummy and last minute wagons are egh. Didn't switch the second time because I thought Paperblade was worse after the Smilies prodvote. Also it wouldn't really be a "bus" if I wasn't on the wagon. Paperblade is (was, even) scummy because he drops weak votes then only posts several one liners in response to smaller issues. His vote on me is the first thing that I think resembles a serious case and not a prod (Smilies) / rolespec (Elie). I have been saying this all game, so "You also haven't explained why you think Paper has done nothing townie throughout the game" is bullshit. The read still holds after D1 because his Smilies vote was never pushed beyond just "Do something" until the wagons became him/Smilies; I could easily see it as a prod on a scumbuddy that went wrong once a wagon started. Obviously Paper isn't going to push a counterwagon on himself, and it wouldn't be ideal for Smilies to try to switch the scum lynch to a stronger player, either. ##Unvote ##Vote: Paperblade All cases involving Elie claiming to be roleblocked are terrible, btw. Town roles can roleblock, so Elie could have been jailed or targeted by a town hooker or something. Not to mention that we don't know what scum has so maybe there's a scum backup for all we know. I thought Rapier's ED1 posts implied he wasn't scum over some specific meta. It's hard to elablorate on this for a number of reasons though :X but overall he looked like apathetic-silly town!Rapier, and Lucina hasn't posted anything terrible enough for me to drop it and vote him over Areox/Paper. Worth noting since SF doesn't re-read: if I'm wrong on scum!Paper then SB is obvtown for being the swingvote between Paper/Smilies (him saying "I don't want to lynch smilies" at the same time makes me doubt it's even an overeager bus). Though SB is like the towniest I've ever seen him this game even without that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I don't follow how SB is obvtown for voting Smile over me when you've said you were looking for scum on that wagon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 1) Thinking scum are probably in lurkers/Smilies voters doesn't mean I can't townread people in those categories. ftr the only Smilies voters I'd actually consider as scum are you and Kay now that I've read the thread. 2) That was a theoretical in case I'm wrong (not gonna lie, I don't have much conviction about any scumreads this game) because I kind of expect I'll die and nobody will realize this if we both flip town and then SB will be considered a viable lynch target even though he shouldn't be. Basically you being town means that SB specifically swung the wagons to lynch the scum roleblocker instead of the townie, something I just don't think scum would have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 What are your thoughts on other layers besides paper and Areox Prims? I know you said you think SB is really town. And that Elie lynch is bad. What about boron/lucina? Any thoughts on those two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Also when is phase end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Hmm... I double checked the votes, and I'm going to concede that point to you. I thought Elieson unvoted before SB laid down his Smile vote. fmpov this is how things are Town Paperblade Marth Darros Darros Probtown Areox Tyrant Sage->SB Shinori Possibly Scum BBM Boron Elieson Kay Prims Rapier->Lucina From the last group we probably have a Doctor or some other obvtown role, and then we have that cop in somewhere. BBM is difficult for me since I think he's scummy for getting on my case about voting Smile instead of another lurker and then Smile flips scum, but at the same time I don't know if he would keep pushing that even after the wagon swung to Smile if he was scum. I'm also not sure what to think of his claim. As I mentioned D1 I'd still like him to be vigged. Boron has no reads and a lot of posts are unrelated to the game. I read her ISO and from what I gather she currently finds Lucina and Shinori scummy. I might have been overreacting about Elieson being hooked (I do think a theoretical town Jailer would be pretty dumb to target him when Marth had claimed no night action and was pretty obvtown after Smile's flip, and a Hooker is iffy), and the rest of his play has been... not solid, but not scummy. I don't think Kay's vote on Smile was bad (his vote on Marth was truly terrible), but she needs to post opinions on people other than Areox and Lucina. Prims' D1 was fine but I don't like how he keeps acting like the Smile wagon was out of nowhere and that someone on it was probably busing when he himself called Smile scummy, and I can't shake this feeling that he's scum since his play seems careless, like in Chilean. It's possible he's just busy, but I still don't like it. Also his logic is hard for me to follow at times, but maybe I'm just dumb. Lucina's hop on the Elie wagon was pretty bad considering the wagon was dumb to everyone but me and Marth. Also I dislike how he refers to everything as "interesting," without further elaboration. He did explain himself when prompted, even if I think the reasoning isn't good. Also the unprompted character claim is weird but not scummy. --- I think Shinori is town. His reaction to Prims' fakeclaim seemed real enough to me, and it's hard for me to see him doing that "I think Paper is scum gonna make a case" "Wait shit I can't read" pair of posts as scum. I DO disagree with his point that Prims' push against him was "easy/lazy" since Prims dropped it like immediately, I think Prims was trying to get reactions from people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 phase ends in like 4-5 hours unless we get an extension Also I have to go but I should be back before deadline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I just thought the prims push against Areox AFTER the cop claim stuff was easy/lazy. He didn't really choose to scumhunt besides tunneling Areox even after Areox came in and posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 What are votals? I don't really want to lynch Prims because I don't think his play has been as bad as people make it out to be. Also this is meta but Prims doesn't like D1 bussing. He goes to some lengths to defend his scumbuddies on D1, actually. See Chilean and ToS. IMO, the scum are between Boron, Shinori, Kay, and Lucina. Out of these I find Lucina and Shinori worst at the moment. I don't see at all how Shinori making those pair of posts makes him town (seems like a solidly null thing to me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 So why am I scum bbm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 My play in Chilean wasn't careless though? I put a lot of effort into posting iirc but it's been a while Requesting votals. I agree Shinori's recent posts have looked townie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Lucina said I was scummy and voted me as her lynch target but didn't really put any good reasoning behind it. She said she liked both my case and SB's case but proceeded to vote me because she liked SB's DEFENSE better than mine. She never really said why I was scum though. BBM now you are saying I'm scummy and I want to know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Areox Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 By the way, Prims, Its not that I needed votes to post, that was just when I decided to become active really I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Ok so Shinori obviously isn't getting lynched today, and now I'm a bit calmer I think his actions make a bit more sense as town. Out of the wagons that could take off, I'd rather lynch Lucina, for reasons stated earlier. Prims was trying to contribute early on before he went inactive (and by early I mean like before the rest of the game) so I'd put him above Lucina, even though some of his later play hasn't been stellar. ##Unvote ##Vote: Lucina Areox should out who he's supported and they should confirm, or else I'd be fine with a lynch on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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