Gold Vanguard Posted April 28, 2013 Author Share Posted April 28, 2013 I don't even know what the term "Mary Sue" means anymore. It's about a girl name Mary that got sued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 It's about a girl name Mary that got sued. makes more sense than what people have been using it as lately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint of Games Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 It's about a girl name Mary that got sued. That made me lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 (edited) 10/10 Would sue again They become Mary Sue x 2 Edited April 28, 2013 by JSND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 (edited) Well, if nothing else, how is Avatar less of a Mary Sue then the young Starfleet Lieutenant who is the origin of the name? If nothing else, he is at least worse then Mark and My Unit. Because while people worshiped them for no reason, in the end they were just bystanders. They were limited to the hero's secret helper and didn't have the whole plot tailored around them. Edited April 28, 2013 by BrightBow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M. Gei Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 isn't Robin literally the antichrist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Lightning Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Well, over the course of the game they turn into the Anti-AntiChrist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunt11 Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 isn't Robin literally the antichrist He is the Antichrist or the Anti-Antichrist depending upon if Lucina is involved or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 God another one of these threads can we just stop labeling people as Mary Sues Yes Micaiah inclusive this is getting really annoying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPSEliwoodGabriel Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 ...*leaves* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momo Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 -Sigh- Another one of these mary sue threads. We may as well call they entire series full of nothing but mary sues at the end of this I unironically agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lissa's Husband Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 I don't think that MU is another Mary-Sue. *leaves* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 GOSH people. Robin is obviously a Mary Sue because they can marry whoever the hell they want. And poor Tiamo/Cordelia can't have Chrom's Falchion no matter what she does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Book of Ereshkigal Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 (edited) Aren't a lot of player characters mary sues? (by whatever the 'definition' seems to be nowadays...) Edited April 28, 2013 by L95 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Book Bro Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Y'all are a bunch of Mary Sues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Book of Ereshkigal Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 (edited) :"Why don't you guys like me?" So... am I wrong in thinking that nearly every player character is a sue? Edited April 28, 2013 by L95 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 From Wikipedia: "In fan fiction, a Mary Sue is an idealized character representing the author." ""Mary Sue" today has changed from its original meaning and now carries a generalized, although not universal, [...] and is commonly associated with self-insertion." So yes, by definition MU is a mary sue. No, MU isn't a mary sue in the way you're implying, he/she isn't perfect at everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algae Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 So... am I wrong in thinking that nearly every player character is a sue? Not at all. Some are just more fun than the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M. Gei Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 I unironically call myself a Mary Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momo Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 No, MU isn't a mary sue in the way you're implying, he/she isn't perfect at everything. What are they bad at? This is the person that sets 400 warships on fire and gets commended for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ein Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 I unironically call myself a Mary Sue such a bamf Eh. The Avatar just knows how to do everything except when the plot says he doesn't because suspense and all that. Although that crap that happens when you really kill Validar is complete bullshit. Like, my god. My teeth hurt when I read that. Why couldn't he just not let himslef not get posessed by the power of friendship in the first place rather than wait for the last chapter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 (edited) Sorta. Avatar is actually more of a Sue than Micaiah. (who toes the line.) This has more to do with the self-insert nature of that character than anything else. In truth in terms of the story, Avatar can do no wrong. But unlike the say, the queen of all Sues, Bella Swan, Avatar doesnt have petty jealousy being their biggest obstacle. And the villains (not named Walhart) are interesting in Avatar for a pretty viable reason. Sure, the team has unshakable faith in Avatar and they can marry any of the characters. Plus there isnt much eyebrow raising when Avatar pulls the stunt with the ships, nor does he/she get flak for the tactical choices in chapter 9. But Avatar isnt absolutely perfect in-universe. Such as not being able to resist the mind control to steal the Emblem, not being able to save Emmeryn, etc. I think the game's writing could have handled that better by giving Avatar some side-eyeing by his/her comrades but oh well. The biggest moment that was very very Sue-ish was when Chrom gets "iced" and it all ends up being a magnificent set up where Avatar "powered down" the hit and planned out all this shit with Basilio. (Which the game never really hinted at prior.) Avatar is a shameless self-insert. A Sue? That really depends on your own definition of a Mary Sue. I put Avatar in the Sue pile but i dont really care due to the fact that they are my self-insert. Its sorta like "This guy is you, but also heavily plot important. So you get some pretty mind boggling plot armor and free passes." Sues not always have to be a bad thing. I can think of a few Canon Sues who were likable characters or just a lot of fun. I think most people wouldnt really think Avatar is a Sue as much as just a total Escapist Character. Edited April 28, 2013 by Virion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vashiane Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Sorta. Avatar is actually more of a Sue than Micaiah. (who toes the line.) This has more to do with the self-insert nature of that character than anything else. In truth in terms of the story, Avatar can do no wrong. But unlike the say, the queen of all Sues, Bella Swan, Avatar doesnt have petty jealousy being their biggest obstacle. And the villains (not named Walhart) are interesting in Avatar for a pretty viable reason. Sure, the team has unshakable faith in Avatar and they can marry any of the characters. Plus there isnt much eyebrow raising when Avatar pulls the stunt with the ships, nor does he/she get flak for the tactical choices in chapter 9. But Avatar isnt absolutely perfect in-universe. Such as not being able to resist the mind control to steal the Emblem, not being able to save Emmeryn, etc. I think the game's writing could have handled that better by giving Avatar some side-eyeing by his/her comrades but oh well. The biggest moment that was very very Sue-ish was when Chrom gets "iced" and it all ends up being a magnificent set up where Avatar "powered down" the hit and planned out all this shit with Basilio. (Which the game never really hinted at prior.) Avatar is a shameless self-insert. A Sue? That really depends on your own definition of a Mary Sue. I put Avatar in the Sue pile but i dont really care due to the fact that they are my self-insert. Its sorta like "This guy is you, but also heavily plot important. So you get some pretty mind boggling plot armor and free passes." Sues not always have to be a bad thing. I can think of a few Canon Sues who were likable characters or just a lot of fun. I think most people wouldnt really think Avatar is a Sue as much as just a total Escapist Character. ^ This. It's like you're reading my mind Viri. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ϲharlie Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 I don't think Robin is an Mary Sue, but I do think s/he is an hero for saving the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mewyeon Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Being the player character, there's a bit due to the self-insertion thing, I suppose. Otherwise, I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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