SSB4: SSB for Wii U and 3DS, maybe the NX and also your toaster!

[Jotari]

If you think about it in Fire Emblem terms, range is the one thing Ragnell has on Urvan since the latter has more accuracy and damage but is limited to one range. Maybe some kind of Quickdraw variation that doesn't move him as much but causes him to charge like a boss with a axe. Alternatively pull a Zelda and change his entire moveset to Urvan using Down B. Then we can have Ragnell Ike and Urvan Ike as seperate characters in Smash 5.

Edited August 8, 2014 by Jotari

[Anacybele]

Have you played the original Smash Bros.? Link's boomerang in that game flew a lot like the magic boomerang. When it was spinning it was also blue in colour similar to the Magic Boomerang in the first game. What I also find odd here is that the Electric Boomerang is listed as his neutral special, I would expect it to be his side special like the Gale Booerang. I wonder if that's a mistake.

No, I never did play the first Smash Bros. So there's no way I would've known this. xP

If you think about it in Fire Emblem terms, range is the one thing Ragnell has on Urvan since the latter has more accuracy and damage but is limited to one range. Maybe some kind of Quickdraw variation that doesn't move him as much but causes him to charge like a boss with a axe. Alternatively pull a Zelda and change his entire moveset to Urvan using Down B. Then we can have Ragnell Ike and Urvan Ike as seperate characters in Smash 5.

Ragnell only had more "range" than Urvan because of its ranged attack. Which Ike doesn't get in Smash. I was talking about in terms of close up combat. Urvan appears to be a longer weapon that would have more reach when swung and all.

[Konnor97]

I want to see Urvan Aether.

Mario's Up specials are:

Normal

Explosive, which does more damage, but probably less range

And Super, which is higher range, but no damage. Better for recovery.

These are educated guesses, mind you.

I thought his normal up special was called the Super Jump Punch, but following the basic pattern of alternates, those makes sense.

Edited August 8, 2014 by Konnor97

[Jotari]

No, I never did play the first Smash Bros. So there's no way I would've known this. xP

Ragnell only had more "range" than Urvan because of its ranged attack. Which Ike doesn't get in Smash. I was talking about in terms of close up combat. Urvan appears to be a longer weapon that would have more reach when swung and all.

I know what you meant, that's why I specified my comment in Fire Emblem terms. And in Smash from a gameplay perspective I think it would work better as shorter range but more powerful attack with good execution time. As for how that would work with it's canon size, from what we seen with Griel fighting the Black Knight, the Axe is meant to be held quite close to the head meaning despite it's huge length, it actually would only have the range of the axe head.

[Ninian]

So, tiny range, but huge power. Interesting.

[Anacybele]

I know what you meant, that's why I specified my comment in Fire Emblem terms. And in Smash from a gameplay perspective I think it would work better as shorter range but more powerful attack with good execution time. As for how that would work with it's canon size, from what we seen with Griel fighting the Black Knight, the Axe is meant to be held quite close to the head meaning despite it's huge length, it actually would only have the range of the axe head.

Yeah, but Ike wields it with one hand and uses it just like he does Ragnell. Greil uses it with two hands (probably on account of his slashed sword arm).

[NoNameAtAll]

This a million times. Brawl had too few FE trophies, imo, even for the series' popularity then. Awakening really boosted it now, so SSB4 needs to add a lot more. Come on, Sakurai, be smart here! D:

And they were just ripped from Radiant Dawn, rather than actual remodeled trophies like Tiki's in Smash 3DS.

[TheWill]

Trophies in general have been mostly just featuring recent games, if I recall correctly. Look at Brawl and the Zelda series, they were exclusively just Twilight Princess/Wind Waker trophies. It wasn't that much difference in Melee where they were mostly from Majora/Ocarina with Marin throwed in there. I'd much prefer to see throw-ins like Marin (or in regards to Fire Emblem, characters like Sigurd, Peg Sisters, etc) from the older series instead of just featuring the most recent games with 10% or so trophies dedicated to older ones.

[Anacybele]

Yeah, if Smash is supposed to celebrate Nintendo's history, featuring only stuff from recent games kind of defeats the purpose. :/

[IceBrand]

And they were just ripped from Radiant Dawn, rather than actual remodeled trophies like Tiki's in Smash 3DS.

Exactly. Tiki had feet!!

[Ninian]

FEEEEEEEET!

[Jave]

Gameboy stage? Huh, that's certainly something.

[Anacybele]

Oh yeah, that is neat! I never had an original Gameboy, but my step brothers did and I used to watch them play it.

I was just saying that Sakurai needed to represent more of the old Nintendo stuff and he seems to be doing that!

You're awesome, Sakurai. ^^

[Dai]

Anyone remember how you could change the screen color of classic Game Boy games?(At least on the GameBoy Color) I hope you can somehow do that here.

[Jotari]

Yeah, but Ike wields it with one hand and uses it just like he does Ragnell. Greil uses it with two hands (probably on account of his slashed sword arm).

I imagine that's because they use the same axe animation for every axe he uses and just swap out the models. It's clear that the intended use of the weapon is to be as it's presented in the fmv. Sure Ike uses the two handed Ragnell with one handed but it's a different situation with Urvan. All the weight is at the very head of the axe where's Ragnell probably has equal weight all the way along. Using Urvan with one hand would definitely upset the balance. Of course that's all unimportant since I'm thinking more in terms of what would make an effective attack to compliment Ike's Smash Bros. moveset. He already has very good reach with Ragnell. A stronger but riskier attack would work better than an even longer attack that doesn't do much damage as a result.

[BrightBow]

I wonder how the stage actually plays.

Edited August 8, 2014 by BrightBow

[Jedi]

I'm thinking something like Flatzone, it'll scroll between various gameboy games.

[kingddd]

I'm thinking something like Flatzone, it'll scroll between various gameboy games.

Super Mario Land, Super Mario Land 2, Game and Watch Gallery, Wario Land, Tetris oh please let it be one of these.

[Konnor97]

It bugs me that even though the characters' colors are mostly flushed out, Dedede's hammer still has the light-brownish coloring, making it look out of place.

[kingddd]

http://kantopia.wordpress.com/2014/08/07/ssb4-famitsu-scan-translations-86-all/

http://kantopia.wordpress.com/2014/08/07/ssb4-3ds-single-player-modes-famitsu-scan-translation-86/

http://kantopia.wordpress.com/2014/08/07/ssb4-pit-famitsu-scan-translation-86/

http://kantopia.wordpress.com/2014/08/06/ssb4-palutena-famitsu-scan-translation-2-86/

Some scans and translation from Famitsu on Aug 6th issue.

[Jave]

Ha! Multi Man Mode are now Miis! I remember calling that one years ago! (Not here, but I clearly remember it).

[IceBrand]

Ha! Multi Man Mode are now Miis! I remember calling that one years ago! (Not here, but I clearly remember it).

Are you a wizard?

[Alertcircuit]

So the Gameboy stage I'm guessing might play a little like pictochat, with rotating stage options?

[PKL]

Ok...I can see how people think Palutena will be OP now. When I was reading that translation, it seems she's gonna be one of those characters that is designed to be overpowered intentionally. All of her miracles have great advantages without a drawback, unlike most other custom moves I've seen.

EDIT: I now know which character to blame if custom movesets are banned Day 1 in Smash 4 offline tournaments.

Edited August 8, 2014 by PKgone

[Ninian]

She IS a goddess, after all. If they made her weak, either Judeo-Christianity's god or Zeus would strike down Sakurai's team.