shadykid Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Gardevoir gets hyper voice via tutor in BW2, after the 30% damage boost/STAB it's quite a bit stronger than moonblast. ....still the worst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ein Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Are Steel and Poison moves even that common despite the introduction of Fairy types? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Are Steel and Poison moves even that common despite the introduction of Fairy types? Iron Head/Gyro Ball are gonna see more use Gengar's still carrying Sludge Bomb Bullet Punch remains a Scizor staple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ema Skye Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Actually I think Refrigerate is the worst on the count of Aururos sucking...a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ein Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 You don't know that. Maybe some other Pokemon will have it for some reason but suck anyway because it's an Ice type and Ice types are what we call not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I am actually most interested in pixilate Let's see if I can make a ground breaking set out of that shit lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ema Skye Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) It's not that Ice types suck. It's that the combination of Ice and Rock types suck. Like I think it's calculated to be the worst defensive type in the game. And every Ice-type that exists, with the exceptions of Regice and Kyurem, can be found in Kalos, so we'd already know if one of them experienced an ability change. Those two are pretty much the last hope. Though by all means GameFreak, give it to something like Mega Lapras if such a thing exists. Or Mega Cryogonal with the Ice-type Rapid Spin. Edited October 31, 2013 by Professor Palutena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 wait that's the only one with the Ice version? nvm that's lame, I was thinking something good got it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Please tell me normalize also get this buff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 best new ability this gen? no Gale Wing otherwise everybody will say that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ema Skye Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 No that's Protean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samias Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) Protean is pretty amazing. I don't think anyone would really care all that much about Greninja if he didn't have it as a hidden ability. Bulletproof is also fairly intriguing in that it gives outright immunities to certain moves. And obviously Stance Change + King's Shield makes Aegislash incredibly unique. It's actually hard to pick just one ability to call it the best because there were a lot of good abilities added this gen. But I think Protean is just amazing mindgames when combined with Greninja's access to different priority moves. Edit: Greninja'd Edited October 31, 2013 by Samias Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) Protean Greninja is basically Genesect done right + given the ability to break through Genesect's counter I wonder how long will it take until Greninja is played as Genesect 0.5, because right now many still use it as fully Special Attacking "sweeper" instead of momentum giver(see: no U Turn plox), or not running full ATK spread(because IIRC most of the special targets are weak enough) >_> Edited October 31, 2013 by Choujin Sentai Chesnaught Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnor97 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) Woo, first egg from 4 IV parents got my 5 IV Mawile. Unfortunately, I forgot that A. Play Rough isn't an egg move so I didn't have to train an Azumarill for it, and B. I forgot that Ice Fang is an egg move. The best moveset for MegaMawile is something like Play Rough, Sucker Punch, Iron Head, and Ice Fang, right? And is Adamant or Jolly better? Edited October 31, 2013 by Konnor97 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Adamant, without a doubt. Mega mawille is a powerful and bulk pokemon, but have no speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuxSpes Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Adamant is definitely the better choice. Stone Edge and Thunder Punch can also be used as coverage move instead of Ice punch. Sword Dance is also a good choice since it combines with Huge Power to give an enormous boost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuuda Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Woo, first egg from 4 IV parents got my 5 IV Mawile. Unfortunately, I forgot that A. Play Rough isn't an egg move so I didn't have to train an Azumarill for it, and B. I forgot that Ice Fang is an egg move. The best moveset for MegaMawile is something like Play Rough, Sucker Punch, Iron Head, and Ice Fang, right? And is Adamant or Jolly better? I'm personally running Power-Up Punch for now, in place of Ice Fang. It lets Mawile hit steel types that would normally wall her. I'm wondering what exactly you need Ice Fang for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuxSpes Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I'm personally running Power-Up Punch for now, in place of Ice Fang. It lets Mawile hit steel types that would normally wall her. I'm wondering what exactly you need Ice Fang for? Sucker Punch now it's Steel for neutral damage, so it doesn't really matter that it walls it's 2 STAB. And power up punch is a decent option, but it's low BP make it an unsure option. Also, nevermind the Thunder punch suggestion, it's a gen5 only move. And I maintain that Ice fang could also be replaced by Sword Dance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuuda Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Sucker Punch now it's Steel for neutral damage, so it doesn't really matter that it walls it's 2 STAB. And power up punch is a decent option, but it's low BP make it an unsure option. Also, nevermind the Thunder punch suggestion, it's a gen5 only move. And I maintain that Ice fang could also be replaced by Sword Dance. Well, I would prefer not to use Sucker Punch on steel walls because of its low PP. Steel types could just wear it down by using status moves. Power-Up Punch might have low BP, but it is at least being backed up by Mega Mawile's monsterous attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 eh, Talonflame without Gale Wing vs Greninja without Protean? ......not so sure about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Greninja without Protean is better than talonflame without galeforce, but both are crappy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Greninja without Protean is better than talonflame without galeforce, but both are crappy. I dunno, the "no Protean is definitely the best new skill" comments indicate some would disagree, given no other Pokemon have those (besides lolKecleon) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) I actually believe Gale wings is better than Protean. I've never had any problem facing a greninja with protean, but talonflame with galewings gave me some headaches before putting rotom-w on my team Priority Brave bird is just insane. Most times I can kill a greninja before it even scratches me. And lol @ grass knot on rotom-W. Edited October 31, 2013 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnor97 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I'm personally running Power-Up Punch for now, in place of Ice Fang. It lets Mawile hit steel types that would normally wall her. I'm wondering what exactly you need Ice Fang for? I swear I remember seeing that Ice Punch (Ice Fang as a replacement) was a good move for Mawile somewhere. I guess I was thinking more about potential ground types that could heavily damage Mawile, instead of actual coverage. Also because I didn't really know that Mawile could get stuff like PuP. So I guess PuP it is for Mawile, since I don't think it absolutely needs the +2 Attack on it immediately, and I'd rather do some damage while I'm boosting. So I guess my Mawile was actually good to go then. Anybody want a Mawile before I Wonder Trade the suckers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Excluding super-effective damage, what relevant Pokemon can a Choice Banded Talonflame OHKO with a priority Brave Bird/Acrobatics? Its attack seems rather low overall. I think the list must be pretty short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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