someonewhodied Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Yea I have it. Got the lati@sites too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I think Xerneas's shiny form looks pretty, though only in that active form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuxSpes Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Ok Shiny Active mode is way better than Shiny neutral mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinigo Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I get this vibe of toothpaste from shiny Xerneas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheon Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I get this vibe of toothpaste from shiny Xerneas I was thinking Zygarde was more toothpaste-y. But yeah, active Xerneas looks TONS better than regular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skullknight Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I get more of a winter-ish feeling from Xerneas, with that white and pale blue... Shiny Zygard is definitely a toothpaste muk though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruity Insanity Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Yea I have it. Got the lati@sites too. JELLY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahrivar Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 (edited) Smogon considers banning Confusion moves or mons (probably Prankster + Swagger): http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/swagplay-evaluating-potential-bans.3500620/ Edited February 22, 2014 by Assurhaddon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinigo Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Smogon, go home, you're drunk. I've agreed with everything up to now, but this is a little much. My two cents is if you have to ban something, just ban the two in combination (prankster+swagger) not the move itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 (edited) Smogon, go home, you're drunk. I've agreed with everything up to now, but this is a little much. My two cents is if you have to ban something, just ban the two in combination (prankster+swagger) not the move itself. that's one possibility. They aren't making a suspect test yet, It's nothing definitive, far from it. They might end up even continuing to allow the infamous "Swagster" teams. Either way, I really hate those teams, so I'm happy with whichever way smogon finds to get rid of them. Edited February 22, 2014 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djing Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 This ban is unreasonable on paper, but I sincerely can't imagine anybody actually LIKING Swagster teams. If it's banned good riddance. If it's not, whatever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interest Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 (edited) Smogon considers banning Confusion moves or mons (probably Prankster + Swagger): http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/swagplay-evaluating-potential-bans.3500620/ ....Uhhhhhhhh. Interesting ban, I guess. Edited February 22, 2014 by Interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algae Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) It's getting harder and harder to disagree with any of these bans when (in almost every case) the people arguing for them have clear and reasonable arguments, and a lot of the people arguing against them in those threads either have no idea how the metagame works or are obviously trolling (drowning out the reasonable anti-ban arguments). Edited February 23, 2014 by Alg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Clearly Smogon can't handle the #swag #yolo #420 #smokeweederryday #aintnobodygottimefodat. Too bad Own Tempo isn't used more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 The most reliable way to handle with those teams is to shift between two pokemon with low ATK, dark resist and holding leftovers until the PP of swagger ends. In other words, the best way to deal with those teams is to make the battle even more tedious than it would normally be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) There's still Pressure, stuff like Taunt and Protect, and obviously your own priority, especially Extremespeed that's already higher in priority by default. Nevermind some physical boosting sweepers use Lum Berries to avoid getting burned by Scald/Lava Plume/Will-o-Wisp or to prevent confusion from Outrage. Someone savvy enough can use the opponent's Prankster Swagger as a free set up and proceed to demolish them with a +2 boosted physical move on the same turn. Edited February 23, 2014 by Woodshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahrivar Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 That's really, really specific though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) how about sableye gets OHKO'd by about any reasonably strong special attacking move and that it would be hard to deal with electric/grounds if the main strat is parafusion. or the fact that espeon exists Edited February 24, 2014 by Comet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) how about sableye gets OHKO'd by about any reasonably strong special attacking move and that it would be hard to deal with electric/grounds if the main strat is parafusion. or the fact that espeon exists Prankster swagger teams in general run at least 3 pokemon capable of doing that. Klefki handles special attacks just fine, and even special attackers have a bad time dealing with substitute + swagger + foul play. Espeon, Xatu and even Mega Absol are vulnerable to STAB Foul Play. Who even wants to play in a metagame where every move essentially has Zap Cannon accuracy? It's not overcentralizing or overpowered, it's uncompetitive. True. Edited February 24, 2014 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djing Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Espeon, Xatu and even Mega Absol are vulnerable to STAB Foul Play. Who even wants to play in a metagame where every move essentially has Zap Cannon accuracy? It's not overcentralizing or overpowered, it's uncompetitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 but they have fairy/other powerful moves, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuxSpes Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) but they have fairy/other powerful moves, no? Klefki resist all of their stabs and threatens them with Foul Play and none of them learn any Fire or Ground move outside of Hidden Power and Heat Wave for Xatu. (Have fun running Dazzling Gleam/Heat Wave Xatu on your team just to deal with a possible Swagger team) And there's not only Prankster pokemon on the team. There could very well be a team member dedicated to dealing with them(None of these 3 would really like an encounter with Tyranitar for example) Edited February 24, 2014 by LuxSpes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interest Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 It's getting harder and harder to disagree with any of these bans when (in almost every case) the people arguing for them have clear and reasonable arguments, and a lot of the people arguing against them in those threads either have no idea how the metagame works or are obviously trolling (drowning out the reasonable anti-ban arguments). I kind of wonder if they're still debating about Stealth Rock. *goes to check* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someonewhodied Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Best counter is own tempo avalugg. It has great defense and can use the attack boost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 i guess pikachu electivire would be good too, assuming elective doesn't slap itself in the face and pikachu will hit like a freight train with volt tackle in return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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