ButteredToast Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Title says it all. According to tvtropes.org, the term "Mary Sue" is "generally slapped on a character who is important in the story, possesses unusual physical traits, and has an irrelevantly over-skilled or over-idealized nature." Besides Robin from Awakening. who do you think is the poster boy (or girl) of the Mary Sue curse in the FE series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDRHAWK Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 inb4everyonesaysMicaiah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Cynthia- Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Ephraim. Ike also pushes the line quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) Awakening's Avatar totally dethrones any pre-existing Sue in the series. Whether there was one before that point is still somewhat hotly debated. Avatar takes the throne however. Holy shit. Its driven home rather egregiously in Chapter 14. Besides Avatar? Hmmm...Micaiah really toes the line at some points. Part 4 is particularly egregious but its mostly due to Yune. And really bad writing. Ephraim. Ike also pushes the line quite a bit. I also agree with this. Ike is not that much of a Sue in his first game, but gets kinda Sue-ish in RD. Ephraim cant seem to do anything wrong either. Edited October 22, 2013 by Ser Florina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Oh God, not again. Seriously, why would you bring this topic back? No one. Yeah, that's right. No one. No one in the series is a Sue, at least not enough to be considered a "poster boy/girl" of Mary Sueness. Chew on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDRHAWK Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Awakening's Avatar totally dethrones any pre-existing Sue in the series. Whether there was one before that point is still somewhat hotly debated. Avatar takes the throne however. Holy shit. Its driven home rather egregiously in Chapter 14. *aside from Avatar/Robin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 *aside from Avatar/Robin Dude, i edited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButteredToast Posted October 22, 2013 Author Share Posted October 22, 2013 I didn't realize that I rehashed something that was annoying......I'm sorry Q_Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Pretty sure it's Sue. Especially if Roy marries her. Eh, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDRHAWK Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Pretty sure it's Sue. Especially if Roy marries her. Eh, eh? okay fuck you are now officially my favourite user on SF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Banzai Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 mary sue isnt a thing that exists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWalker Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Robin. There can be no other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Pretty sure it's Sue. Especially if Roy marries her. Eh, eh? Nice, mate. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 okay fuck you are now officially my favourite user on SF Cool, I need more recognition for I am not only a pivotal character to the story, but I also possess unusual physical traits (like um...being of average weight), and I would just love if everyone got along and made happy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light-Heart Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Avatar/ Robin so far Answer many change as starting to play more of the older games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) I guess if Robin isn't considered, then I would say Chris is the next best thing. People like Elice will share her most intimate thoughts with him on their first meeting, Marth will make him a royal guard despite him being a green recruit and everybody just loves the guy in general. The fact that he is often forced in the spotlight in a plot that was written without him in mind makes the game feel even more like fanfiction. Unlike his Awakening successor, the story doesn't resolve around him, though. But that can make scenes like him overshadowing Jagen when he is about to call out Lang even more irritating. Edited October 22, 2013 by BrightBow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cymbalina's Revenge Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I guess if Robin isn't considered, then I would say Chris is the next best thing. People like Elice will share her most intimate thoughts with him on their first meeting, Marth will make him a royal guard despite him being a green recruit and everybody just loves the guy in general. The fact that he is often forced in the spotlight in a plot that was written without him in mind makes the game feel even more like fanfiction. Unlike his Awakening successor, the story doesn't resolve around him, though. But that can make scenes like him overshadowing Jagen when he is about to call out Lang even more irritating. Kris pretty much was the #1 representative of Canon Stu in Fire Emblem before Robin shows up. There's Kris, randomly plopped into a pre-existing story, and he's all speshul and people love and trust and open up to him and basically Marth just couldn't do it all without Kris... his soulmate... bleh. But then Robin showed up. Good grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Marth Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Cool, I need more recognition for I am not only a pivotal character to the story, but I also possess unusual physical traits (like um...being of average weight), and I would just love if everyone got along and made happy! Refa 4 President Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skynstein Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Of course it has to be the MU from Awakening, because he's supposed to be one. A Mary Sue is first and foremost a self-insert. BTW TVTropes is wrong. Otherwise things like Superman would be considered Mary Sues, and they aren't. I maintain a Mary Sue is a self-insert who gets all he/she wants in the story. Which is why Robin is one. He's the strongest unit in the game (potentially), can marry whoever you want him to and can be whichever class you want him to. That's not to say it isn't fun to play with Robin, but the customization options in Awakening suck IMO. Edited October 23, 2013 by Malebolganone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCrazy Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 One word: Micaiah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Banzai Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Of course it has to be the MU from Awakening, because he's supposed to be one. A Mary Sue is first and foremost a self-insert. BTW TVTropes is wrong. Otherwise things like Superman would be considered Mary Sues, and they aren't. I maintain a Mary Sue is a self-insert who gets all he/she wants in the story. Which is why Robin is one. He's the strongest unit in the game (potentially), can marry whoever you want him to and can be whichever class you want him to. That's not to say it isn't fun to play with Robin, but the customization options in Awakening suck IMO. tvtropes is wrong because mary sue doesnt exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skynstein Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 tvtropes is wrong because mary sue doesnt exist Actually it exists but is a fanfic term that was wrongly transposed to the literary world to mock female characters who were above average in terms of whatever ability they may have had. It originated in fanfics and should stay in fanfics, because its only purpose is found in fanfics. A Mary Sue is when we self-insert into the fanfic we're writing with the purpose of personal gratification. I should know as I used to do it all the time before trying to create my original stories. In actual original works, however, it might be impossible to pinpoint a Sue because, whether you want it or not, an author favors certain characters in a story, especially the heroes. A character who can solve every problem he comes across isn't a Mary Sue, but poor writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Banzai Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 In actual original works, however, it might be impossible to pinpoint a Sue because, whether you want it or not, an author favors certain characters in a story, especially the heroes. untrue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Actually it exists but is a fanfic term that was wrongly transposed to the literary world to mock female characters who were above average in terms of whatever ability they may have had. It originated in fanfics and should stay in fanfics, because its only purpose is found in fanfics. A Mary Sue is when we self-insert into the fanfic we're writing with the purpose of personal gratification. I should know as I used to do it all the time before trying to create my original stories. In actual original works, however, it might be impossible to pinpoint a Sue because, whether you want it or not, an author favors certain characters in a story, especially the heroes. A character who can solve every problem he comes across isn't a Mary Sue, but poor writing. The author of an original work can self-insert just as easily as the author of a fanfic. See: Twilight. It's more common in fanfiction, but can definitely exist in original works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skynstein Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 The author of an original work can self-insert just as easily as the author of a fanfic. See: Twilight. It's more common in fanfiction, but can definitely exist in original works. Now that would merit a thread in the Entertainment section alone. Bella is certainly a self-insert (Meyer even admits it, not openly, but she does), but is she a Mary Sue? I haven't an opinion on that matter, but there are things that validate your argument, at least on the movies. I can't speak about the books, though, since I didn't go very far on them. Edward creeped me out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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