NoNameAtAll Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Yeah, so? Doesn't change the fact that when work is put into him, he becomes monstrous. But you can make other characters better with that same work. Favoritism 101: Feel free to like who you want, but don't proclaim them to be god-tier when others will suffice even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 But you can make other characters better with that same work. Favoritism 101: Feel free to like who you want, but don't proclaim them to be god-tier when others will suffice even more. I never said Frederick was god tier. And I still don't see how this matters. Yes, any character can be better with Second Sealing, but every character has caps too. And Frederick's are pretty on par with everyone else's from the first gen as far as I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoNameAtAll Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 I never said Frederick was god tier. And I still don't see how this matters. Yes, any character can be better with Second Sealing, but every character has caps too. And Frederick's are pretty on par with everyone else's from the first gen as far as I've seen. It matters because you're saying "PUT WORK INTO FREDDY BEAR MEAT OMG AND HE'LL BE AWSUM". You're acting like Freddy Bear Meat is the only one who can take advantage of seals, when in reality, other characters can do the same, if not more. Even your oh-so-hated Sumia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 It matters because you're saying "PUT WORK INTO FREDDY BEAR MEAT OMG AND HE'LL BE AWSUM". You're acting like Freddy Bear Meat is the only one who can take advantage of seals, when in reality, other characters can do the same, if not more. Even your oh-so-hated Sumia. And just how am I acting that way? I was merely trying to explain why anyone believing Frederick can never be good no matter what is wrong. And they seem to act like that when they ditch him just because he's a Jagen. I never said anything about other characters not being able to use Second Seals. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoNameAtAll Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 And just how am I acting that way? I was merely trying to explain why anyone believing Frederick can never be good no matter what is wrong. And they seem to act like that when they ditch him just because he's a Jagen. I never said anything about other characters not being able to use Second Seals. :/ He's ditched because, Jagen or not, other characters can do a better job with significantly less effort. And no, I'm obviously not talking about Lunatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) He's ditched because, Jagen or not, other characters can do a better job with significantly less effort. And no, I'm obviously not talking about Lunatic. You're still missing my point. My point is, I see people imply that they ditch Frederick because they don't believe he can ever be good no matter what, regardless of how much effort is put into him. Edited October 29, 2013 by Anacybele Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoNameAtAll Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 You're still missing my point. My point is, I see people imply that they ditch Frederick because they don't believe he can ever be good no matter what, regardless of how much effort is put into him. And people ditched characters like FE6 Marcus because "they don't believe he can ever be good no matter what" when he can be invaluable for early-game. But after that? Benched. Same deal with Freddy Bear Meat outside of Lunatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Banzai Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 And people ditched characters like FE6 Marcus because "they don't believe he can ever be good no matter what" when he can be invaluable for early-game. But after that? Benched. Same deal with Freddy Bear Meat outside of Lunatic. I meant good for the entire game. >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Frederick's at least one of the better fathers of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Kamina Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Frederick's at least one of the better fathers of the game. Debatable. IMO he's a terrible father for anyone who isn't going to be a physical support bot. (His strength and skill mods are good, but his speed mod is bleh and so is his magic mod.) Edited October 29, 2013 by Junpei Iori Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Debatable. IMO he's a terrible father for anyone who isn't going to be a physical support bot. (His strength and skill mods are good, but his speed mod is bleh and so is his magic mod.) Honestly, I was considering the fact that he gives Luna, good STR and DEF, the cavalier line, and the wyvern rider line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Kamina Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Honestly, I was considering the fact that he gives Luna, good STR and DEF, the cavalier line, and the wyvern rider line. That's true. I'll reword my statement. Frederick makes for an usable backup father (you could do a lot better, but also a bit worse) but is best for physical support bots IMO. Edited October 30, 2013 by Junpei Iori Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airship Canon Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Honestly, I was considering the fact that he gives Luna, good STR and DEF, the cavalier line, and the wyvern rider line. Were it not for the fact that he gives -SPD, he'd be better than Stahl for Severa. Problem is he gives -SPD. -_-; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 That's true. I'll reword my statement. Frederick makes a for an alright backup father (replacement for Stahl) but is best for physical support bots IMO. Definitely. Were it not for the fact that he gives -SPD, he'd be better than Stahl for Severa. Problem is he gives -SPD. -_-; Yeah, that seriously sucks for Severa. :/ Still, I like pairing Frederick/Cordelia regardless since Stahl/Olivia is my headcanon. Speaking of Luna, Ricken's a seriously underrated father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) He decreases speed by a little bit. It doesn't really hurt his kid that much. And besides, with that strength and defense he gives and with the right kid, his kid can hit really hard and tank like heck, making his or her speed hardly relevant. I should know, my Morgan is like this, yet his speed is still pretty decent (though it's likely due in part to his mother having good speed). Edited October 29, 2013 by Anacybele Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) He decreases speed by a little bit. It doesn't really hurt his kid that much. And besides, with that strength and defense he gives and with the right kid, his kid can hit really hard and tank like heck, making his or her speed hardly relevant. I should know, my Morgan is like this, yet his speed is still pretty decent (though it's likely due in part to his mother having good speed). I'm going to ask the question again... did you finish the game? Moreover, your statements aren't backed up by any experience in higher difficulties to actually make those statements legitimate. All I see is "Fred gives a -SPD, but YOU CAN JUST IGNORE THAT." Actually... do you even have any experience marrying Frederick to anyone else, for that matter? Edited October 29, 2013 by shadowofchaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom037 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 He decreases speed by a little bit. It doesn't really hurt his kid that much. And besides, with that strength and defense he gives and with the right kid, his kid can hit really hard and tank like heck, making his or her speed hardly relevant. I should know, my Morgan is like this, yet his speed is still pretty decent (though it's likely due in part to his mother having good speed). his speed is on par with Kellam's in terms of mods, which isn't "a little bit" But anyway, back on topic, Sully is close to never acknowledged by the fans despite being nearly devoid of gimmicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 I'm going to ask the question again... did you finish the game? Moreover, your statements aren't backed up by any experience in higher difficulties to actually make those statements legitimate. All I see is "Fred gives a -SPD, but YOU CAN JUST IGNORE THAT." Actually... do you even have any experience marrying Frederick to anyone else, for that matter? And I'll answer it again. No. I don't have to finish the game or play a higher difficulty to marry two characters and test out the resulted child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 test out the resulted child. So what chapters did you actually test said child on? Because honestly, none of this is showing how "underrated" Frederick is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 So what chapters did you actually test said child on? Because honestly, none of this is showing how "underrated" Frederick is. I can't remember them all off the top of my head. But I know I used Morgan in DLC, a lot of powerful Risen spawns, and several story chapters. I've probably used the kid almost as much as I have his parents at this point. xP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) I can't remember them all off the top of my head. But I know I used Morgan in DLC, a lot of powerful Risen spawns, and several story chapters. I've probably used the kid almost as much as I have his parents at this point. xP These are all generic statements, you realize that, right? There is also the fact that you've grinded Frederick. You have no meat to your claim. Edited October 29, 2013 by shadowofchaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 These are all generic statements, you realize that, right? You have no meat to your claim. Just because I can't remember every single chapter I used him in doesn't automatically mean I'm wrong. Just leave me alone already. I'm fucking sick of you picking on me ALL THE TIME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDRHAWK Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 All I'm seeing right now: seriously stahp LET US ALL BASK IN THE UNDERRATEDNESS KNOWN AS THE VAIKE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadeuscho Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Most overrated: Owain, InigoMost underrated: Brady, Yarne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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