Prims is Gay Mafia - Game Over

[Life]

I want to hear from more people. Thank you very much.

[CT075]

hnnng if this started a week later i'd play

IO pls

[Shinori]

Gonna post some logs I had with kirsche cause it annoys me.

Session Start: Thu Nov 14 14:29:01 2013

Session Ident: kirsche

[14:29] Session Ident: kirsche (DarkMyst, Shinori) (kirsche@tjx3-ybhq0-8-5-bzji084.aztw.cable.virginm.net)

[14:29] <kirsche> yo dude

01[14:29] <Shinori> Yo yo

01[14:29] <Shinori> They bounce up and down while connected to your hand.

01[14:29] <Shinori> And you can do tricks with them.

[14:29] <kirsche> what

01[14:29] <Shinori> Hopefully people don't get in the way and stop you though.

01[14:29] <Shinori> It sucks

01[14:29] <Shinori> Then the shit gets all tangeled

01[14:29] <Shinori> Tangled*

01[14:29] <Shinori> Whatever

01[14:29] <Shinori> idk

01[14:29] <Shinori> idc

01[14:29] <Shinori> So hi how are you.

[14:30] <kirsche> Now I'm confused

01[14:31] <Shinori> Why are you confused?

[14:31] <kirsche> everything you just put in chat

01[14:32] <Shinori> Fucking yo-yo's man.

[14:32] <kirsche> ok

[14:32] <kirsche> now I understand

01[14:32] <Shinori> Lol.

[14:32] <kirsche> weird, WHAT'S TOWN'S WINCON GOGOGO

01[14:33] <Shinori> This is like the dumbest question in the world

01[14:33] <Shinori> I thought like

01[14:33] <Shinori> life posted this

01[14:33] <Shinori> telling people to tell him that jazz

01[14:33] <Shinori> or some shit

01[14:33] <Shinori> even though the town win con was most likely told to scum.

[14:34] <kirsche> why haven't you told me what it is yet then

01[14:34] <Shinori> Cause I have no reason to.

[14:34] <kirsche> prove that your town

01[14:34] <Shinori> Because if there is a chance that scum don't know it blah blah blah

[14:34] <kirsche> what's teh harm

01[14:34] <Shinori> Yada yada

01[14:35] <Shinori> You could be scum

[14:35] <kirsche> SB told me what it was

[14:35] <kirsche> ask him

01[14:35] <Shinori> I could be falling into a thing with your jazz

01[14:35] <Shinori> And what if sb is your buddy

01[14:35] <Shinori> One person doesn't clear stuff.

01[14:35] <Shinori> That type of logic is flawed and wrong and you know it.

01[14:35] <Shinori> "No really I'm telling the truth ask this guy."

[14:35] <kirsche> you think I'd tie myself to someone like that this early just to find out town's wincon?

01[14:35] <Shinori> "He'll back me up I promise."

01[14:36] <Shinori> Possibly yes, because if scum don't know the town win con then all they need to do is find out the town win con to not be fucked over in the game.

01[14:36] <Shinori> Honestly I don't really even like life's idea or plan and it strikes me as scummy imo..

[14:36] <kirsche> so how do I not know that's you panicking because you don't have the win con?

01[14:37] <Shinori> So the whole thing it's self is dumb to me cause when was the last OC game had that scum weren't given the town win con

01[14:37] <Shinori> <CUT WHERE I TELL HIM THE TOWN WIN CON>

01[14:37] <Shinori> Kindly shut the fuck up.

01[14:37] <Shinori> Thank you.

01[14:37] <Shinori> I love oyu though

01[14:37] <Shinori> <3

Session Close: Thu Nov 14 14:38:07 2013

[Shinori]

Oh yeah and.

##Vote: Kirsche

Anyone who honestly thinks we should be honestly digging or pushing for people for knowing the town win-con are just trying to be lazy at scum hunting.

[Shinori]

[2:36:54 PM] SB: damn how did you figure out that kirsche and i are buddies

[2:39:54 PM] Shinori: Ilu too.

[2:40:03 PM] Shinori: Why are you so annoying with the bad logics.

Is this supposed to be like a "Let's gang up on the shino" game?

You two seem to be really trustworthy of each other really quickly.

[Zkirsche]

Damn you ninja'd me. Full log because Shinori didn't post it:

Session Start: Thu Nov 14 20:28:48 2013
Session Ident: Shinori
01[20:28] <kirsche> yo dude
[20:29] <Shinori> Yo yo
[20:29] <Shinori> They bounce up and down while connected to your hand.
[20:29] <Shinori> And you can do tricks with them.
01[20:29] <kirsche> what
[20:29] <Shinori> Hopefully people don't get in the way and stop you though.
[20:29] <Shinori> It sucks
[20:29] <Shinori> Then the shit gets all tangeled
[20:29] <Shinori> Tangled*
[20:29] <Shinori> Whatever
[20:29] <Shinori> idk
[20:29] <Shinori> idc
[20:29] <Shinori> So hi how are you.
01[20:30] <kirsche> Now I'm confused
[20:30] <Shinori> Why are you confused?
01[20:31] <kirsche> everything you just put in chat
[20:32] <Shinori> Fucking yo-yo's man.
01[20:32] <kirsche> ok
01[20:32] <kirsche> now I understand
01[20:32] <kirsche> weird, WHAT'S TOWN'S WINCON GOGOGO
[20:32] <Shinori> Lol.
[20:33] <Shinori> This is like the dumbest question in the world
[20:33] <Shinori> I thought like
[20:33] <Shinori> life posted this
[20:33] <Shinori> telling people to tell him that jazz
[20:33] <Shinori> or some shit
[20:33] <Shinori> even though the town win con was most likely told to scum.
01[20:34] <kirsche> why haven't you told me what it is yet then
[20:34] <Shinori> Cause I have no reason to.
01[20:34] <kirsche> prove that your town
[20:34] <Shinori> Because if there is a chance that scum don't know it blah blah blah
01[20:34] <kirsche> what's teh harm
[20:34] <Shinori> Yada yada
[20:34] <Shinori> You could be scum
01[20:34] <kirsche> SB told me what it was
01[20:34] <kirsche> ask him
[20:35] <Shinori> I could be falling into a thing with your jazz
[20:35] <Shinori> And what if sb is your buddy
[20:35] <Shinori> One person doesn't clear stuff.
[20:35] <Shinori> That type of logic is flawed and wrong and you know it.
[20:35] <Shinori> "No really I'm telling the truth ask this guy."
01[20:35] <kirsche> you think I'd tie myself to someone like that this early just to find out town's wincon?
[20:35] <Shinori> "He'll back me up I promise."
[20:36] <Shinori> Possibly yes, because if scum don't know the town win con then all they need to do is find out the town win con to not be fucked over in the game.
[20:36] <Shinori> Honestly I don't really even like life's idea or plan and it strikes me as scummy imo..
01[20:36] <kirsche> so how do I not know that's you panicking because you don't have the win con?
[20:37] <Shinori> So the whole thing it's self is dumb to me cause when was the last OC game had that scum weren't given the town win con
[20:37] <Shinori> You are allied with the Federation of Pigs. You win when all threats to the Federation of Pigs are eliminated.
[20:37] <Shinori> Kindly shut the fuck up.
[20:37] <Shinori> Thank you.
[20:37] <Shinori> I love oyu though
[20:37] <Shinori> <3
01[20:38] <kirsche> <3
01[20:40] <kirsche> so how's about we flavour swap as well
01[20:40] <kirsche> and paraphrase teh details?
[20:40] <Shinori> Nope cause I don't like you.
01[20:41] <kirsche> that's not very nice
[20:42] <Shinori> I don't like how quickly you seem to be all buddy buddy with SB.
[20:42] <Shinori> His message to me made it to me really fast.
[20:42] <Shinori> And hoenstly thinking someone is scum cause they might not know town win con is lazy and idiotic.
01[20:43] <kirsche> weren't you just accusing me of being scum trying to fish for the wincon?
[20:44] <Shinori> No.
[20:44] <Shinori> You should reread shit.
[20:44] <Shinori> Cause you apparently didn't understand what I said.
01[20:44] <kirsche> <Shinori> Because if there is a chance that scum don't know it
01[20:45] <kirsche> >Not telling me because I might be scum trying to fish for wincon
[20:45] <Shinori> <kirsche> weird, WHAT'S TOWN'S WINCON GOGOGO
[20:45] <Shinori> 01<Shinori> This is like the dumbest question in the world
[20:45] <Shinori> 01<Shinori> I thought like
[20:45] <Shinori> 01<Shinori> life posted this
[20:45] <Shinori> 01<Shinori> telling people to tell him that jazz
[20:45] <Shinori> 01<Shinori> or some shit
[20:45] <Shinori> 01<Shinori> even though the town win con was most likely told to scum.
[20:45] <Shinori> <kirsche> why haven't you told me what it is yet then
[20:45] <Shinori> 01<Shinori> Cause I have no reason to.
[20:45] <Shinori> <kirsche> prove that your town
[20:45] <Shinori> 01<Shinori> Because if there is a chance that scum don't know it blah blah blah
[20:45] <Shinori> <kirsche> what's teh harm
[20:45] <Shinori> 01<Shinori> Yada yada
[20:45] <Shinori> 01<Shinori> You could be scum
01[20:47] <kirsche> You admitted that there was a chance that scum don't know it and that I was fishing for it
01[20:47] <kirsche> so why is it scummy of me to try and see if you didn't know it?
01[20:47] <kirsche> doesn't make sense
[20:47] <Shinori> Cause it's lazy scum hunting and I don't agree with it.
[20:48] <Shinori> There are better ways of getting info or reactions from someone.
[20:48] <Shinori> It's scummy of you to do it and not me for me to state that there is a possibility of it because I'm not actually using it as a scum hunting test.
01[20:49] <kirsche> if it's true that scum don't know the wincon though then it's quite an effective way of fidning out if someone's scum or not, no?
[20:49] <Shinori> And what's to say Life wasn't scum saying all that shit in thread to get the win con messaged to him in the first place.
[20:49] <Shinori> OR
[20:49] <Shinori> Whats to say you arent scum doing it to everyone
[20:49] <Shinori> after getting one person to claim to you the town win con
[20:50] <Shinori> There are too many flaws with the plan and it 95% chance won't be effective at all.
01[20:50] <kirsche> 5% chance of being effective
[20:50] <Shinori> Sure trying it is okay but I see the chances of it wasting time is more probable.
01[20:50] <kirsche> where's the hamr in doing it?
[20:50] <Shinori> And if it wastes time then that's honestly what scum wants.
01[20:51] <kirsche> what time
[20:51] <Shinori> Your opinion on the supposed survivor claim?
01[20:51] <kirsche> waiting to see
[20:51] <Shinori> Time spent talking to people.
01[20:51] <kirsche> SB mentioned something interesting
01[20:52] <kirsche> oh noes 1 minute of scumhunting spent doing something which might find scum
[20:52] <Shinori> So do it
[20:52] <Shinori> It's your opinion and preference
01[20:52] <kirsche> do what?
[20:52] <Shinori> That way of scum hunting
01[20:52] <kirsche> scumhunt? That's what I did
[20:52] <Shinori> and that reaction test.
[20:53] <Shinori> That's what I said.
[20:53] <Shinori> Can we stop talking about it now
[20:53] <Shinori> You keep bringing up a dead argument by asking me why I don't like it when I have already explained it.
01[20:53] <kirsche> so first you say I'm scummy for doing it and now you're saying I should do it if I want?
01[20:53] <kirsche> it's not dead
[20:53] <Shinori> I never said you were scummy for doing it
[20:53] <Shinori> And you misinterpreting me and midjudging me
[20:53] <Shinori> I said I DONT LIKE IT
[20:53] <Shinori> Thus I don't like it
01[20:53] <kirsche> <Shinori> It's scummy of you to do it
[20:53] <Shinori> the logic or the way it works
[20:54] <Shinori> That was based off after you saying it
[20:54] <Shinori> The response it's scummy of you to do it and not me to do it*
01[20:54] <kirsche> what
[20:54] <Shinori> Was after you asked me why I thought it was scummy of you
[20:54] <Shinori> It's more simple for a human to react by just responding to what has been asked of them
01[20:54] <kirsche> but apparently it was scummy of me to do it
[20:54] <Shinori> than to explain everything.
01[20:55] <kirsche> am I scummy for doing it or not?
[20:55] <Shinori> But I didn't say it actually was scummy of you and I didn't even say I thought you were scum of it
[20:55] <Shinori> we alreayd had this conversation.
01[20:56] <kirsche> You said it is a scummy thing to do but I'm not scummy for doing it?
[20:56] <Shinori> <Shinori> I never once actualyl said
[20:56] <Shinori> <Shinori> HEY YOU ARE SCUM FOR FISHING FOR TOWN WIN CON
[20:56] <Shinori> You assumed i was calling you scum for it..
01[20:56] <kirsche> that's something else entirely
[20:56] <Shinori> No. It has to do with the base of the entire conversation
01[20:56] <kirsche> now we're talking about how it's scummy for someone to make this kind of test
[20:56] <Shinori> Fishing for the town win con
[20:56] <Shinori> Okay
[20:57] <Shinori> So what are you asking
01[20:57] <kirsche> and how apparently, even though it's scummy, I am no scummy?
[20:57] <Shinori> I am no scummy?
[20:57] <Shinori> What?
[20:57] <Shinori> I never said you were scum because of this.
[20:57] <Shinori> I've said this one fucking sentence
[20:57] <Shinori> like 10 fucking times.
[20:58] <Shinori> I'm done with this conversation with you
01[20:58] <kirsche> *not
[20:58] <Shinori> because all you are doing is wasting my time
01[20:58] <kirsche> lol
[20:58] <Shinori> Cya.
01[20:58] <kirsche> bye

##Vote: Shinori

So many contradictions in that log. First, scum would try and fish for win con because they might not know what it is, next this test is pointless because scum would obviously be given wincon, then it's scummy of me to do it, then he says he hasn't called me scummy, then he says I should keep doing these sorts of reaction tests even though it's scummy of me to do so, then apparently I'm not scummy and now to top it all of he votes me because apparently this is lazy scum hunting and doing it makes me scummy.

[Zkirsche]

Also Shinori what exactly is your stance on Life, do you find him scummy for proposing that we swap information?

[Paperblade]

real talk let's not lynch people over stuff like that

[Eurykins]

...Wow, those messages.

01[20:32] <kirsche> weird, WHAT'S TOWN'S WINCON GOGOGO

...Just...wat? I don't see the point of people gunning for the wincon, especially if/since BBMs post went through saying:

Since apparently people cannot learn to context: the town faction is called the Federation of Pigs.

So.... knowing that? I'm pretty sure it's easy enough to pick out what the wincon is, nor is it a solid way for scum hunting. There's no real point in hunting for it so eagerly as you were, Kirsche, since I'm pretty sure the goal for any town faction is to win when all threats to the Federation of Pigs (or whatever the town name ends up being) are eliminated.

Your guys' conversation as a whole though...kinda makes me laugh though. In a very sad way, lol. Just... so much back and forth talking, with so little actually being said. (Thank god you can hide the logs in the spoiler windows.)

[Shinori]

I commented that he was just wasting my time because we weren't getting anything out of it. That's why I stopped responding to him.

[Life]

Also Shinori what exactly is your stance on Life, do you find him scummy for proposing that we swap information?

I find you scummy for not swapping info, to be perfectly honest.

We need a town web. This place has got to be organized.

[Zkirsche]

Swapping info with who? You? I've been out all day. I'll do it now if you want.

There's no real point in hunting for it so eagerly as you were, Kirsche

Meh, it was worth a shot, so I did it and got a lot of contradictions.

[Paperblade]

Life IRC

[Baldrick]

My skype name is not important. You'll recognise it when you see it.

Reading.

[Baldrick]

Life, should we mass claim? Or at least claim privately to everyone in the game. If we don't, we're not swapping info with people which is scummy. :O

On a more serious note, shinori saying "blah blah blah... yada yada" indicates he's not agreeing with the idea. And i can't see where he called kirsche scum; the closest I can find it "you could be scum" which means "you're not confirmed town".

##vote: kirsche

[Life]

Life, should we mass claim? Or at least claim privately to everyone in the game. If we don't, we're not swapping info with people which is scummy. :O

On a more serious note, shinori saying "blah blah blah... yada yada" indicates he's not agreeing with the idea. And i can't see where he called kirsche scum; the closest I can find it "you could be scum" which means "you're not confirmed town".

##vote: kirsche

Everyone should claim to me. I've deduced an almost 100% townie (I'd technically need a role check to be 100% and I'd prefer not to divulge his name) and that person will be playing back-up leader and has access to my spreadsheets upon my death. I trust this person completely so that when I go down, at least we'll still all be in good hands.

Also, don't lynch Kirsche yet. Not all of the information is in.

[Paperblade]

why should I trust you

[MRDRHAWK]

I'd like to hear who Life can potentially clear as a townie before I'm willing to buy that line of thinking he's got going.

[Paperblade]

the above user is mafia

Life talk to me on IRC or something

[MRDRHAWK]

Do we even have an IRC set up?

[Paperblade]

Also, no one should claim to Life just because he says he knows a townie blah blah

he could easily be lying

[Eurykins]

Meh, it was worth a shot, so I did it and got a lot of contradictions.

Did you only do it to Shinori, or to others as well? (And what contradictions, if there were more aside from what you listed from Shinori's convo).

@ Poly: Is that really a smart idea overall, though (to just out/mention who the 'he' is [since Life said 'his name'])? Whoever the guy ends up being, if the mafia learns of partners/groups being formed (that are clearly not fellow Mafia members), doesn't that leave them more liable to being killed one after another?

Granted, I'm having some issues trusting in the fact that who he's buddy-buddy with is in-fact townie, but I don't think that saying who the person is will help matters any. I'm not gonna lie and say that it doesn't bug/leave a weird gut feeling in me that we'd be confiding a lot of stuff into one person, but I dunno if this is what usually happens in OC games or not? (or if it's the most efficient manner to play out the game) My head is spinning- so much OC craziness. @_@''

[Baldrick]

If there is such a person, being revealed might make them more obvious and so less likely to be targeted. It might be a good idea if they're an active role because then town's interference roles would know to stay off them.

That said, I can't see scum intent in Life telling such an easily disproved lie and I don't think we need a leader so I don't think it's a good idea.

@Eury what Life is suggesting is to make him town leader, who basically co-ordinates town so that town PRs are used more efficiently and. My understanding is that it does more harm than good bc it encourages town to be lazy, but people more experienced in OC than I should weigh it up.

[Baldrick]

*more efficiently and scum find it harder to keep themselves hidden while using their PRs.

[Life]

Granted, I'm having some issues trusting in the fact that who he's buddy-buddy with is in-fact townie, but I don't think that saying who the person is will help matters any. I'm not gonna lie and say that it doesn't bug/leave a weird gut feeling in me that we'd be confiding a lot of stuff into one person, but I dunno if this is what usually happens in OC games or not? (or if it's the most efficient manner to play out the game) My head is spinning- so much OC craziness. @_@''

I said before that the town needs to get organized and the single best way of doing that is centralizing information in a single person (or a couple) while still speaking to others to get info and sniff out mafia. It's really simple. You guys are even more important than I am.