Klokinator Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 The main issue is that they can never get enough views. You'd need a few million with coverage on tons of vids on youtube linking to it and mass moves by the big channels on youtube, and that's unlikely to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interest Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) Well I subscribed to the subreddit associated with the project and I guess I'll see how it goes... Edited December 12, 2013 by Interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 If that's the case, I'm not sure how creating videos that review games and the likes is considered theft of intellectual property. I didn't say it was theft, I just meant that if you're trying to make money off things that don't belong to you then you should be prepared to bear the consequences of anything going pear-shaped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Banzai Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) I like how the first few posts are bashing on angry joe wtf is up with that I didn't say it was theft, I just meant that if you're trying to make money off things that don't belong to you then you should be prepared to bear the consequences of anything going pear-shaped. like you, people like you really piss me off seriously these aren't criminals we're talking about they're people who have a passion for what they do and entertain a lot of people doing it and they're getting crushed by the BIG MAN in the most stereotypical big man fashion possible and you're gonna go against them with these asinine arguments Edited December 13, 2013 by General Banzai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 I didn't say it was theft, I just meant that if you're trying to make money off things that don't belong to you then you should be prepared to bear the consequences of anything going pear-shaped. The opinions towards a video game and its content (a.k.a. the very reviews that Joe have created, where the main focus is on what he is saying about what is shown/heard on-screen) are 100% Joe's intellectual property. Many huge game developers have already shown their support against this shit that's going on and have already stated that any automatic flaggings made by YouTube's system will be retracted by these game companies themselves if the video owners challenge the flagging. So yeah, it's just YouTube being fucking retarded to the nth degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Agro is aggroing people lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Sometimes you can get an audio copyright claim if you, like, record yourself farting and put it up on YouTube, so it's only a problem to do with YouTube's sound identification system which occasionally identifies too much. Seriously, record yourself playing or singing Greensleeves and there will be some unknown folk collective that will somehow claim to the rights to your version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) seriously these aren't criminals we're talking about they're people who have a passion for what they do and entertain a lot of people doing it and they're getting crushed by the BIG MAN in the most stereotypical big man fashion possible and you're gonna go against them with these asinine arguments it's not an argument but let's go along with it: so if there was a cover artist who performs songs in legal grey areas, you'd be upset if they got a C&D? Edited December 14, 2013 by Agro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interest Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) Agro is aggroing people lol fttf: MMO edition. Edited December 14, 2013 by Interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) it's not an argument but let's go along with it: so if there was a cover artist who performs songs in legal grey areas, you'd be upset if they got a C&D? Edited December 14, 2013 by Makaze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Banzai Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 it's not an argument but let's go along with it: so if there was a cover artist who performs songs in legal grey areas, you'd be upset if they got a C&D? Did you even watch the video? I don't think you did. The guy reviews games for a living. In his reviews he shows clips--not full movies/games/music but CLIPS--in order to illustrate the points he's making. Youtube's auto-flag system flags him for this. Do you think people who review games/movies/music for a living should be able to be shut down by the companies that own the games they review? Personally I feel that copyright law shouldn't go into effect short of someone reappropriating something wholescale and claiming it belongs to them, but this is simply ridiculous. In fact, as the video points out, it's not a legal use of copyright law at all, especially since some of the companies supposedly flagging their content have made public statements that they don't care if their material is used in this way. Again, I'm really just echoing things pointed out in the video, but I'm pretty sure you just didn't watch it past the first minute or two and just started mouthing off like you knew what the fuck you were talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Did you even watch the video? I don't think you did. The guy reviews games for a living. In his reviews he shows clips--not full movies/games/music but CLIPS--in order to illustrate the points he's making. Youtube's auto-flag system flags him for this. Do you think people who review games/movies/music for a living should be able to be shut down by the companies that own the games they review? Personally I feel that copyright law shouldn't go into effect short of someone reappropriating something wholescale and claiming it belongs to them, but this is simply ridiculous. In fact, as the video points out, it's not a legal use of copyright law at all, especially since some of the companies supposedly flagging their content have made public statements that they don't care if their material is used in this way. Again, I'm really just echoing things pointed out in the video, but I'm pretty sure you just didn't watch it past the first minute or two and just started mouthing off like you knew what the fuck you were talking about Don't feed the straw man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Do you think people who review games/movies/music for a living should be able to be shut down by the companies that own the games they review? Except nobody is shutting that particular shitty AVGN clone down, just some of his videos appeared on a page which tries to show which content had been identified as belonging to somebody else, without any threats to the video maker. Painting him the victim of the "big man" completely misses the simple fact that YouTube has become (it always was I guess) a way for people to make dull, attention whoring content with flashy thumbnails to generate money from ad revenue. Except 5 years ago it was just Fred and Chris Crocker and whoever else whom people were pointing out as examples of tasteless anti-heroes of the internet, and now everyone soaks up hysteric and cheap traits to become the Fred/Chris Crocker in their field of interest. YouTube's such fucking shit right now that I'm not surprised 90% of my old friends left. I suggest you stop and think again who really has a clue what's going on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inui Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 he should go get an actual job instead of being buttmad that youtube wants money (which is what he wants from youtube LOL) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 he should go get an actual job instead of being buttmad that youtube wants money (which is what he wants from youtube LOL) excellent post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxas Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) I have a video on my account of me playing a Chopin Scherzo and Youtube flagged it for sharing content with a Yundi Li performance. So honored. :'D Edited December 14, 2013 by Roxas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 he should go get an actual job instead of being buttmad that youtube wants money (which is what he wants from youtube LOL) yeah man serving fries and burgers at mcdonalds is so fulfilling i'd rather do that than get money doing something i and others enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau of Isaac Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I didn't say it was theft, I just meant that if you're trying to make money off things that don't belong to you then you should be prepared to bear the consequences of anything going pear-shaped. That's an incredibly specious claim to make, given that their reviews are protected under Fair Use legally. Even disregarding that fact the notion that the material they're using is unarguably not theirs is beyond idiotic. The rights many corporations have been given with regard to copyrights is quite simply out of control. Organizations such as the RIAA and MPAA worked to shut down guitar tabbing sites, for example, claiming that the right to tell others how to play licensed songs was their right. What's next, it's illegal for me to show a popular chord to a friend on the grounds that someone owns the rights to a pattern of tones? It's utter bullshit, and it's fueled by the buying power of the same money-hungry corporations that brought it to where it is today. he should go get an actual job instead of being buttmad that youtube wants money (which is what he wants from youtube LOL) Any job in which one wishes to pay another for service is an actual job. The talking point that one should "get a real job" is spoken so often and very rarely by anyone with a clue of the basics of economics. As if flipping burgers for a soulless multinational corporation is anymore beneficial to the world than reviewing videogames. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inui Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 yeah man serving fries and burgers at mcdonalds is so fulfilling i'd rather do that than get money doing something i and others enjoy Any job in which one wishes to pay another for service is an actual job. The talking point that one should "get a real job" is spoken so often and very rarely by anyone with a clue of the basics of economics. As if flipping burgers for a soulless multinational corporation is anymore beneficial to the world than reviewing videogames. why do you both assume flipping burgers is it because you acknowledge how worthless this dude is and that he isn't qualified for anything else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inui Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) guys like him are like buzzfeed; take content others create and use it for their own profit go make your own content then if you don't want to be flagged for taking someone else's content Edited December 14, 2013 by Inui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau of Isaac Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) Because that is the most common retail job for entry-level workers. Who decides the worth of a job? Is it not the consumers that exchange goods for their services? For one who defines himself as a libertarian you seem awfully against the workings of a free market. go make your own content then if you don't want to be flagged for taking someone else's content It is protected under Fair Use. It isn't taking anyone else's content. Edited December 14, 2013 by Esau of Isaac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I had a feeling it would degenerate into this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inui Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2010/11/11/americas-most-popular-jobs/ it's not the most common starter job at all, not even close but it sure is embarrassing that someone his age is only qualified for starter jobs -_- about Fair Use: this guy and others can try taking their cases to court if they want but Fair Use is super ambiguous lol yes I am Libertarian and believe in people keeping the fruits of their own labor and not going to war for anything but defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 why do you both assume flipping burgers is it because you acknowledge how worthless this dude is and that he isn't qualified for anything else? if you watched the video, you'd know that burgerflipping was his job before he turned to making review videos fulltime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 yes I am Libertarian and believe in people keeping the fruits of their own labor and not going to war for anything but defense You don't understand supply and demand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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