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[Battle:FE9] Losers Round 3 - Shin vs. GeneralHorace


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I just wanna say that games with Nasir have never not had a Nasir on the winning end of it, and there's been like 8? games I think. It's pretty clear he's really stronk

and yeah nasir wins games by standing around and then when everyone is dead hes impossible to kill and doubles you.

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Shin's team

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GeneralHorace's team!

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Turn 15.

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Shin's Nasir equips the Demi Band!

Shin's Nasir (Breath) attacks GeneralHorace's Oscar (Runesword)!

Shin's Nasir activates Nihil!

13 dmg 78% hit 0% crit 28% Adept

(73)

(70 4 94)

Oscar receives 13/56 damage!

Oscar counterattacks!

0 dmg blah blah

(who cares lol)

Nasir attacks again!

(21)

Nasir activates Adept!

(22 26 60)

Oscar receives 13/56 damage!

(75 97 77)

Nasir misses!

Shin                              Horace
Oscar 0/56                        Gatrie 0/59
Kieran 32/50                      Shinon 0/53
Tanith 0/53                       Rolf 0/52
Nasir 60/60 [20]                  Nasir 44/60 [7]
Naesala 0/62                      Oscar 30/56 
Magichamp 31/31
Donat 26/26
Venucruel 0/26
Vilera 31/31
Rapiusaur 26/26
Butterkey 0/26

Horace acts next.

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like i could attack shins chumpy pegs forever to heal but thatd be dreadfully boring and not worth it

so i think i'll IDK

attack Kieran with the Silver Sword.

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it wouldn't make me win, it'd just make espi do more work and eventually nasir would activate adept enough to win!

but I got outplayed, so I'm fine with just going out like this

also i'm going to eat some glorious hunks of steak so the nasir-off will have to wait until tomorrow

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Some of the matches won with Nasir on the team were won without ever using Nasir though, or using him very little, not requiring Nasir to crash the opponent regardless.

Demi Banded Nasir is pretty terrible even with lots of Speedwings, honestly, but if everyone is weakened, the game can go on forever, which is the problem I was pointing at. You can fight Nasir pretty easily, but Nasirs can't fight each other at all.

I'm sure a complete end-all dragon ban isn't the only way to resolve the problem, but nobody seems to like dragons, so it's the immediate way at least. I think I'll put up some new polls to help us decide.

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his existance on the team is a big deal though since it more or less forces you to attack other units unless you have nihil (in which case you take more damage than Nasir recieves) or Nasir procs Adept or has vantage/guard or something and you don't even get to attacked or get ko'd or something silly.

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Yeah, as a rule you don't touch Nasir until he's demi'd and/or until everyone is gone or is best not touched, besides the earlygame situations where you for some reason feel like whacking untransformed Nasir instead of dealing with stuff like Snipers, Largo and Boyd.

But it's easier to resist Nasir's attack with a Laguzguard, especially if he's demi'd.

Still, 40 SP for skills, huge bulk and potentially riduculous speed make dragons such a chore even when they're not the only ones left standing.

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Nihil centralized teams are basically built around Nasir. Ban him and you weaken the ideal itself (something I support)

Enforcing the Weakening of him still builds skill centralization around Nihil, which thus makes it a stat war with virtually no customization except in the units used, which are already the same 10 or so.

If we keep Nasir the way he is, I suggest unbanning Ragnell, as the means to counter Nasir are few and far between already.

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Being able to run Nihil with two of Vantage/Guard/Renewal is just silly. Getting around Guard hax necessitates a Nihil user of your own (Calill either tinks or gets doubled by 41 attack). I don't think Ena is quite as bad as Nasir is; she loses in strength, skill and speed and lacks innate Nihil. I guess Renewal with her defenses is kinda annoying, but that's still one less Nihil for the team. Plus she can't proc skills as reliably as Nasir does.

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[spoiler=see teams here]

Shin's team

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vs.

GeneralHorace's team!

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Turn 16.

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Horace's Oscar recovers 5/56 HP with Renewal!

Horace's Oscar (Silver Sword) attacks Shin's Kieran (Silver Axe)!

Shin's Kieran activates Nihil!

21 dmg 100% hit 0% crit

Kieran receives 21/50 damage!

Kieran counterattacks!

21 dmg 84% hit 0% crit

(20 27 48)

Oscar receives 21/56 damage!

Shin                              Horace
Oscar 0/56                        Gatrie 0/59
Kieran 11/50                      Shinon 0/53
Tanith 0/53                       Rolf 0/52
Nasir 60/60 [20]                  Nasir 44/60 [3]
Naesala 0/62                      Oscar 14/56 
Magichamp 31/31
Donat 26/26
Venucruel 0/26
Vilera 31/31
Rapiusaur 26/26
Butterkey 0/26

Shin acts next.

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[spoiler=see teams here]

Shin's team

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vs.

GeneralHorace's team!

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Turn 17.

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Shin's Kieran (Silver Axe) attacks Horace's Oscar (Silver Sword)!

Shin's Kieran activates Nihil!

21 dmg 84% hit 0% crit

(52 46 76)

Oscar receives 14/56 damage!

Oscar is KO'd!

Shin                              Horace
Oscar 0/56                        Gatrie 0/59
Kieran 11/50                      Shinon 0/53
Tanith 0/53                       Rolf 0/52
Nasir 60/60 [20]                  Nasir 44/60 [3]
Naesala 0/62                      Oscar 0/56 
Magichamp 31/31
Donat 26/26
Venucruel 0/26
Vilera 31/31
Rapiusaur 26/26
Butterkey 0/26

Horace acts next.

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Poor Horace. I think the only lucky break he got all match was the deadeye. Everything else was failed good % crits and Shin getting lucky 49% hits with his Falco and never missing anything. :(

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Poor Horace. I think the only lucky break he got all match was the deadeye. Everything else was failed good % crits and Shin getting lucky 49% hits with his Falco and never missing anything. :(

My Oscar didn't get a crit even with Resolve+Vague Katti and then died to an attack he had a chance of dodging. Remember the odds of both hits connecting is the same as both of them missing. But I guess a true Horace fangirl would overlook these points, no?

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[spoiler=see teams here]

Shin's team

cq4w.pngz3ve.pngrytp.pngeort.pngxtci.png

vs.

GeneralHorace's team!

txi4.pngm4si.pngk35x.pngmjuh.png99j5.png

Turn 18.

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Horace's Nasir untransforms!

Horace's Nasir equips the Demi Band!

Horace's Nasir (Breath) attacks Shin's Kieran (Silver Axe)!

Horace's Nasir activates Nihil!

Shin's Kieran activates Nihil!

6 dmg 77% hit 0% crit

(88 62 61)

Kieran receives 6/50 damage!

Kieran counterattacks!

18 dmg 85% hit 0% crit

(91 61 6)

Nasir receives 18/60 damage!

Nasir attacks again!

(89 84 49)

Nasir misses!

Shin                              Horace
Oscar 0/56                        Gatrie 0/59
Kieran 5/50                       Shinon 0/53
Tanith 0/53                       Rolf 0/52
Nasir 60/60 [20]                  Nasir 26/60 [20]
Naesala 0/62                      Oscar 0/56 
Magichamp 31/31
Donat 26/26
Venucruel 0/26
Vilera 31/31
Rapiusaur 26/26
Butterkey 0/26

Shin acts next.

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[spoiler=see teams here]

Shin's team

cq4w.pngz3ve.pngrytp.pngeort.pngxtci.png

vs.

GeneralHorace's team!

txi4.pngm4si.pngk35x.pngmjuh.png99j5.png

Turn 19.

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Shin's Kieran (Silver Bow) attacks Horace's Nasir (Breath)!

Horace's Nasir activates Nihil!

Shin's Kieran activates Nihil!

15 dmg 90% hit 0% crit

(93 72 78)

What's up with all the high RNs lately? Nasir receives 15/60 damage!

The reinforcements attack Nasir!

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Magichamp the Falcoknight (Silver Lance-) attacks Horace's Nasir (Breath)!

Nasir activates Vantage!

21 dmg 85% hit 0% crit 28% Guard

(86 67 46 89)

Magichamp receives 21/31 damage!

3 dmg 57% hit 0% crit

(30 26 81)

Nasir receives 3/60 damage!

Nasir attacks again!

(81 95 85 28)

Nasir misses!

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Donat the Peg (Steel Lance) attacks Horace's Nasir (Breath)!

Nasir activates Vantage!

25 dmg 97% hit 1% crit 28% Guard

(28 26 98 65)

Donat receives 25/26 damage!

Donat counterattacks!

0 dmg 40% hit 0% crit

(81 79 30)

Donat misses!

Nasir attacks again!

( 4 41 49 0)

Nasir activates Guard! That'll teach Donat!

Donat receives 1/26 damage!

Donat is KO'd!

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Vilera the Falcoknight (Silver Lance-) attacks Horace's Nasir (Breath)!

Nasir activates Vantage!

21 dmg 85% hit 0% crit 28% Guard

(8 60 80 85)

Vilera receives 21/31 damage!

3 dmg 57% hit 0% crit

(11 4 62)

Nasir receives 3/60 damage!

Nasir attacks again!

(82 62 34 36)

Vilera receives 10/31 damage!

Vilera is KO'd!

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Rapiusaur the Peg (Steel Lance) attacks Horace's Nasir (Breath)!

Nasir activates Vantage!

25 dmg 97% hit 1% crit 28% Guard

(49 27 87 88)

Rapiusaur receives 25/26 damage!

Rapiusaur counterattacks!

0 dmg 40% hit 0% crit

(74 40 51)

Rapiusaur misses!

Nasir attacks again!

(25 54 16 37)

Rapiusaur receives 1/26 damage!

Rapiusaur is KO'd!

Shin                              Horace
Oscar 0/56                        Gatrie 0/59
Kieran 5/50                       Shinon 0/53
Tanith 0/53                       Rolf 0/52
Nasir 60/60 [20]                  Nasir 5/60 [20]
Naesala 0/62                      Oscar 0/56 
Magichamp 10/31
Donat 0/26
Venucruel 0/26
Vilera 0/31
Rapiusaur 0/26
Butterkey 0/26

Horace acts next.

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