Parrhesia Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 In colloquial usage, if one says 'gnostic', they're usually implying that you blame your problems on yearnings of the flesh instead of facing the simple truth as to their real source. A stereotypical gnostic exhibits the above, plus a bizarre kind of focus on the experience of suffering. what kind of circles do you hang around in when this is 'colloquial' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 what kind of circles do you hang around in when this is 'colloquial' People gradually grow old; your turn's not too far from now I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrhesia Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 when you turn forty years old you do not suddenly imply peoples' problems are blamed on their yearning of the flesh when their actual causes are different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Alear Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Thank you Espinosa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peener weener Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 haha here fucking comes espinosa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Karimov Posted March 22, 2014 Author Share Posted March 22, 2014 I'm atheist. I just prayed for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 when you turn forty years old you do not suddenly imply peoples' problems are blamed on their yearning of the flesh when their actual causes are different I was offering an example of the word 'gnostic' being used in informal context. Of course, plenty of 40-year olds will be relaxing in front of the telly instead of implying anything of the kind, or just not have the metaphor ready for use in conversation and occupy themselves with more earthly and practical things - something I'd approve of I think. Many things aren't for everyone; this is one such thing. A world full of gnostics would be entirely different from ours, but it's hardly a fantasy - an omission of certain church policies would possibly let gnosticism of some sort become the prevailing attitude for some time, though my guess is that gnostics wouldn't be very invested in reproducing and raising their children, so more competitive cultures would eventually send them back to earth where they came from. Point remains, afflictions add up as you grow older, and the multiplication of suffering leads to (greater) religiosity. The interest and investment in the subject I brought up would naturally be more common in older folks, but certainly there are other factors to be aware of (e.g. a materialistic generation being followed by another one opposing and denying the values of the former). I'm often quite disturbed by how ultra-religious people around me become, not in the least owing to difficult afflictions and losses. Anyway, I'm far from sober and probably need to sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peener weener Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 BAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 *guffaws* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 To be fair to western secularism, taking things that are both impossible and incredibly misanthropic as literally true is a practice that is not exactly extinct here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrhesia Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 I just prayed for you. heavybrawlsguy please tell me if you are being sarcastic or not so i know whether to strongly dislike you or to strongly dislike you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) Gnosticism and agnosticism can apply to just about anything; meaning 'having knowledge' and 'being without knowledge', respectively. Distinct from the philosophies and religious affiliations, I mean. AKA: Mouse is on the right track. Edited March 22, 2014 by Makaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Karimov Posted March 22, 2014 Author Share Posted March 22, 2014 heavybrawlsguy please tell me if you are being sarcastic or not so i know whether to strongly dislike you or to strongly dislike you I'm not. This thread was a horrible idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 To be fair to western secularism, taking things that are both impossible and incredibly misanthropic as literally true is a practice that is not exactly extinct here Indeed, the West is hardly a monolith. The US, European countries like Poland, Romania, I'd add Russia as well (some dispute Russia as being Western, but nobody has ever managed to pinpoint a single idea or philosophy belonging to the territories of the East that would find any reflection there) also have that tradition (in the case of countries of the former Eastern bloc, artificially resurrected from the dead and propagated by political technologies as a means to something else rather than the end, though the extent to which the tradition was interrupted also varies - in Russia, it was entirely destroyed, in places like Romania and the Ukrainian West, it was able to live more or less peacefully with the governing ideology in spite of the contrast). My view is simply that a literal understanding of clearly symbolical systems eventually leads to their complete rejection - most of secular West (the perfect example would be France) is a good example of that. If the columns are weak, the building will shatter and be destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peener weener Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 double whammy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 double whammy HAR! *points* Im so far removed from the whole Christian ideology and viewpoint anymore that i just dont even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Karimov Posted March 22, 2014 Author Share Posted March 22, 2014 This is the worst thread on FftF so far. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/McDonald%27s_Golden_Arches.svg I'm lovin' it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifer Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) gnosicism means knowledge. Agnosticism means without knowledge Theism means you believe in god(s) or something spiritual Atheism means you don't believe in that stuff you can combine these terms, let us look at gnosticism Agnostic theist: a person who( has no evidence/believes it is unknowable) but still beleves. Agnostic atheist: a person who (Has no evidence/believes it is unknowable) that god exists and does not beleive I am - Apathetic Agnostic. Can't prove it either way and it doesn’t make a difference summery: Don't know, don't care supporting evidence for my belief: read this tread Edited March 22, 2014 by sifer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrhesia Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 This is the worst thread on FftF so far congratulations, it's largely your fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 This is the worst thread on FftF so far. Good thing espinosa cleaned up your mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Karimov Posted March 22, 2014 Author Share Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) congratulations, it's largely your fault That's why it's so bad. I'm honestly hoping people stop posting in it soon. Edited March 22, 2014 by HeavyBrawlsGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 You are aware that you can ask a mod to lock it, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Which is definitely the best choice of action, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Good thing espinosa cleaned up your mess. *snickers uncontrollably* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peener weener Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 gay lobby's gonna crack down on this shit just you wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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