NinjaMonkey Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 The Pokemon games are basically reboots/sequels in their own right. If you go back and actually read what I wrote, I said that sequels and reboots are two different things (which they are). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 People who say all first-person shooters are shit because "there are too much of them." There are a lot of shit first-person shooters, but this kind of complaint has nothing to do with determining the quality of a game and is completely baseless. Applies to any genre that receives the same complaint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoncat Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 This. The point of a game is to play it. I don't care if the chess set has hologram images for each piece that actually kill each other, if I don't like chess I'm not playing it. Great analogy! The one I used when trying to explain this to a dude in highschool who thought graphics were the most important: what if there was a game with cutesy little baby animals teaching you the ABCs and it had good graphics, would he play it? I think he understood then. He said: "Well, topic matters too." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irony Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 People saying that Nintendo games are 'kiddy' or that 'Nintendo is gonna die'. People saying that 'OMG, if you play on easy mode, you are a total wimp'. Beginners need a chance too!! You sucked once, so why are you denying beginners a chance to be good at the series as well? (Though I will admit that difficulty is needed in a game, as it's fun.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeraldfox Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Complaining about entirely optional modes that are not mandatory to the experience...and I'll leave it at that. Didn't take long at all for that to be brought up, lol But speaking of optional, people complaining about optional grinding or optional side quests and the like. People who complain about sequels and reboots when they're basically the same.*Cough*Genwunners*Cough* People who complain about something in a game or even the game itself without even trying it. Complaining about a feature in a game that hasn't released yet, and isn't 100% confirmed to be a real feature subtlely glances at a certain 21 page thread that started today People who bitch about old games feeling dated and saying they're bad. People who complain about characters getting in the way of ships. People who say homosexuals shouldn't exist in videogames, or that game companies shouldn't make gay or lesbian characters because what if they want to romance them as the opposite gender. People who complain about easymode being too easy or the uber hard difficulties are too hard (Lunatic+ isn't bullshit just follow Cranky Kong's advice) I could say more but I think that's enough. "Casuals" "Rehash" "Sales don't matter" (especially when the same people then hold reviews in high regard and even outright defend Games Journalism) "Nostalgiafag" "Genwunner" "Nostalgia Pandering" and whatever the newest word is to undermine anyone with a preference for older games "Grinding" "It's not the game, it's the player's fault" "This game needs to be even more complex and difficult" "This game isn't even that hard" (especially in relation to legitimately hard games like Thracia and Dark Souls because you know how to abuse the latest and coolest exploits) People saying that Nintendo games are 'kiddy' or that 'Nintendo is gonna die'. People saying that 'OMG, if you play on easy mode, you are a total wimp'. Beginners need a chance too!! You sucked once, so why are you denying beginners a chance to be good at the series as well? (Though I will admit that difficulty is needed in a game, as it's fun.) All of these. I must be pretty angry all of the time, eh? I'll add that I hate how people whine about repetition in video games when video games by their very nature are repetitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zera Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 I'll add that I hate how people whine about repetition in video games when video games by their very nature are repetitive. BAD video games are repetitive by nature - the best video games have variety. Take Super Smash Bros for example - is every match exactly the same? Not really. You and the opponent will use different moves, the outcome might be different, etc. This is why multiplayer games tend to have high replayability. Single player games don't have to be repetitive though - Every level in a Mario game is different, for example. Repetition doesn't just lead to boredom. Repetition IS boredom. And games don't have the right to be boring. #Logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMonkey Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 BAD video games are repetitive by nature - the best video games have variety. If that's the case, why are Donkey Kong and Pac-Man considered to be "classics"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bankai Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 The complaint about Mass Effect 3's ending that I hear every time I talk to people about the the series. "The ending sucks and ruined the series." I mean sure the ending wasn't great but ME 3 was still fun to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zera Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 If that's the case, why are Donkey Kong and Pac-Man considered to be "classics"? Just because it's classic doesn't mean it's not obsolete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Alear Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 All of these. I must be pretty angry all of the time, eh? I'll add that I hate how people whine about repetition in video games when video games by their very nature are repetitive. I'm ok w/ repetition in some cases, but backtracking can sometimes be a bit of a bitch. I kinda dislike it when people complain about linearity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeraldfox Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 BAD video games are repetitive by nature - the best video games have variety. Take Super Smash Bros for example - is every match exactly the same? Not really. You and the opponent will use different moves, the outcome might be different, etc. This is why multiplayer games tend to have high replayability. Single player games don't have to be repetitive though - Every level in a Mario game is different, for example. Repetition doesn't just lead to boredom. Repetition IS boredom. And games don't have the right to be boring. #Logic A game being good or not is up to the player. Let's go to your Smash Bros. example, it's a fighting game, yeah? The results will be different and all, but you're still playing a fighting game where are you do is fight each other. Repetitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zera Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 A game being good or not is up to the player. Let's go to your Smash Bros. example, it's a fighting game, yeah? The results will be different and all, but you're still playing a fighting game where are you do is fight each other. Repetitive. Games are made of mechanics. If the mechanics change significantly, you are now playing a different game. In other words, every round of a game will, by definition, have some things in common with all other rounds of that same game. But how much variety - within that repetition - do the mechanics allow? That is the question. In the case of Smash Bros, every fight is a fight. But there are 50 characters, and millions of players of different strategies and skill levels. Turn all items on and BAM - you now have one of the most unpredictable games ever. So no, it's not repetitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) Just because it's classic doesn't mean it's not obsolete. actually by definition it does, hth EDIT: i have a simple question for you: Games are made of mechanics. If the mechanics change significantly, you are now playing a different game. In other words, every round of a game will, by definition, have some things in common with all other rounds of that same game. But how much variety - within that repetition - do the mechanics allow? That is the question. In the case of Smash Bros, every fight is a fight. But there are 50 characters, and millions of players of different strategies and skill levels. Turn all items on and BAM - you now have one of the most unpredictable games ever. So no, it's not repetitive. does borderlands, in fact, have millions of guns to choose from? Edited May 21, 2015 by Integrity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) I'll add that I hate how people whine about repetition in video games when video games by their very nature are repetitive. It seems I'm in the same boat of a very small number of people who actually like some repetition in videogames. Change is good, but so long as the series maintain its essence and premisses. I think FE (after Kaga) is one such good example. Better than totally different mechanics for each game (FE2, FE3, FE4 and FE5 are very different from each other). Edited May 21, 2015 by Rapier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 BAD video games are repetitive by nature - the best video games have variety. Beat-Em ups and Hack N Slashes must not be your cup of tea then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zera Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Beat-Em ups and Hack N Slashes must not be your cup of tea then. Does Muramasa on the Wii count? I kinda liked that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 basically anything regarding stuff that has nothing to do with the actual game play. i shouldn't have to elaborate on this if you've seen my posts on other topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Cynthia- Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Anything the Kingdom Hearts fanbase complains about. For example, the fangirls hate this girl named Kairi. She's childhood friends with the main character and the fangirls hate her because she gets in the way of a yaoi ship with the MC's other childhood friend. So, in other words, hating things for no or dumb reasons. Not to defend yaoi fangirls necessarily, but I feel like Kairi would get less hate if she were more interesting. She's pushed as a love interest and having the female lead as a damsel in distress went out of style a while ago. She's missing a lot of the time and not even present in flashbacks, so despite being nominally important it's hard to really give a shit about her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Not to defend yaoi fangirls necessarily, but I feel like Kairi would get less hate if she were more interesting. She's pushed as a love interest and having the female lead as a damsel in distress went out of style a while ago. She's missing a lot of the time and not even present in flashbacks, so despite being nominally important it's hard to really give a shit about her. it would help, but that'd require kingdom hearts being fun and interesting and not having its giant kuduz plot that it currently has. of course i say this as someone that never really cared about Disney or FF and was forced into trying it out by my friends and family cause it was the popular thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMonkey Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) Just because it's classic doesn't mean it's not obsolete. I wasn't taking about whether they were obsolete or not, I was talking about repetitiveness. Both Donkey Kong and Pac-Man are repetitive, but are regarded as classics. Edited May 21, 2015 by NinjaMonkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I wasn't taking about whether they were obsolete or not, I was talking about repetitiveness. Both Donkey Kong and Pac-Man are repetitive, but are regarded as classics. with that said Donkey Kong 94 is an amazing improvement over the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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