Onestep Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Kamui is leading an army because he's of royal blood. That's literally the only reason he needs.The fact that he seems to have higher authority than Ryouma or Marx in Hoshido or Nohr is kind of silly though. Edited June 30, 2015 by Onestep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azz Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Now I know I am heading right into spoiler territory but is there is any reason given in the game of why Kamui is good at strategy? It's at least implied in Awakening that Robin is a total tactics nerd. It was never said if he was good at tactics and stuff. (My headcannon is during the time he was locked up by Garon, he studied tactics a lot for the day he would go to battle with his siblings) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taka-kun Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 It was never said if he was good at tactics and stuff. (My headcannon is during the time he was locked up by Garon, he studied tactics a lot for the day he would go to battle with his siblings) Makes sense, considering he is so eager to please Garon. Though it does beg the question why he won't leave the strategizing to someone more adept at it, like Leon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sforzur Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Nohr!Kamui undergoes some notable character development, and their siblings will call them out for being too soft-hearted, but it usually just leads to a sigh and not much of a conflict. They're forced to come to terms with how sheltered they were throughout the plot, and will thus tweak their morals to reflect it. There's also an in-game explanation for their leading of an army, and the Takumi/Kamui situation was handled much better than Frederick/Robin. Ultimately, they're a standard JRPG/shounen protagonist, but they've at least got more to them than our last MU. However, I can't speak for Hoshido or the third path. ...Though if you found Luke bland, then Kamui will be agonisingly forgettable. Pre-Akzeriuth Luke was annoying, without a doubt, but I'd argue that he left a lasting impression. His personality certainly varied from the rest of the Tales protagonists, and the sheer difference between himself at the beginning of the game and then at the end was astounding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirokan Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I feel Kamui was more interesting in Hoshido than Nohr. Was slightly less idealist in Hoshido, ironically. You think it would be the other way around. But you will not really find a deep character here. In fact the development through the game is rather shallow all around, I felt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taka-kun Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Nohr!Kamui undergoes some notable character development, and their siblings will call them out for being too soft-hearted, but it usually just leads to a sigh and not much of a conflict. They're forced to come to terms with how sheltered they were throughout the plot, and will thus tweak their morals to reflect it. There's also an in-game explanation for their leading of an army, and the Takumi/Kamui situation was handled much better than Frederick/Robin. Thank you madam for giving a relatively thorough explanation without resorting to spoiler tags. Even though I don't really expect a huge change in Kamui, at least it's good that he/she has a definite personality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Water Mage Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) If it helps, some supports, like with Azura and Oboro, Corrin mentions being an avid reader. It seems that Corrin knowledge of the world comes from books, maybe that why he is naive? In sense he seems to be more like Estelle from Tales of Vesperia than Luke from Tales of the Abyss. Edited June 30, 2015 by Water Mage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onestep Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Kamui quite idealistic in general, though the extent of that depends on the route quite a lot. He seems positively saintly in the third route, for instance. He becomes a little more cynical in the Nohr route though. Edited June 30, 2015 by Onestep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirokan Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Kamui quite idealistic in general, though the extent of that depends on the route quite a lot. He seems positively saintly in the third route, for instance. Does he? : ( I assume that's from files in the text dump? Ah... but I guess that's for a different topic. I finished the two paths, but been avoiding the third path discussion... but still dread how it may turn out. xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rudy Mjølnir Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 So I assume Corrin isn't anywhere near Sue territory, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekoKnight Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) I am all fine with all-loving heroes and wide-eyed idealists, but I expect them to be called out for it instead of worshipped. I mean, how will Kamui justify for Oboro that he has Nohrians in his army? Is he going like "They are people too you know" and she answers "okay"? Why is there so little focus on the conflicts? Hate is as good as any to keep a man going. Better than most. Yes, essentially. Say what you will about Robin, but at least it was shown that they knew stratgy even if they were about as interesting as a dry potato; Kamui is leading the army because...reasons? This had be scratching my head. Kamui might have an interesting ability and background but why these give him greater authority than even his older siblings is anyone's guess. In Hoshido, Sakura is arguably the only person in his family with less combat experience but Kamui is still the commander. The only excuse I can think of is Ryoma and Takumi being leaders of the main army units and Kamui leading a rear guard to support them. But that becomes less and less true as you recruit more characters. ...Though if you found Luke bland, then Kamui will be agonisingly forgettable. Pre-Akzeriuth Luke was annoying, without a doubt, but I'd argue that he left a lasting impression. His personality certainly varied from the rest of the Tales protagonists, and the sheer difference between himself at the beginning of the game and then at the end was astounding. Luke isn't bland, just intensely unlikable. Character interactions between him and the party could be summed up as: Pre-Akzeriuth Luke: I'm an asshole. Deal with it. Party: Ugh, you're such an asshole! Post-Akzeriuth Party: Ugh, you were such an asshole! Luke: Sorry I was an asshole... You can call 'jerk' --> 'spineless', character development but he'll always be terrible. Kamui is as bland as they come but he doesn't make me want to punch him. Edited June 30, 2015 by NekoKnight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sias Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) It was never said if he was good at tactics and stuff. (My headcannon is during the time he was locked up by Garon, he studied tactics a lot for the day he would go to battle with his siblings) If it helps, some supports, like with Azura and Oboro, Corrin mentions being an avid reader. It seems that Corrin knowledge of the world comes from books, maybe that why he is naive? In sense he seems to be more like Estelle from Tales of Vesperia than Luke from Tales of the Abyss. Yeah, it seems that Kamui was busy with reading most of the time while he was put away by Garon. I'm not really sure which support it was anymore, but one of them described the vast library of the castle he was in, containg a seemingly endless number of books. He apparently also had some kind of reading contests (?) with Joker and Felicia, and at the end of the day they all talked about what they had learned from their respective books. Edited June 30, 2015 by Sias Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Japanese players, is there a silent protagonist option like there was in Awakening (japan only)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocturnal YL Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Japanese players, is there a silent protagonist option like there was in Awakening (japan only)? No. There are 5 tone options per gender, but not silence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirokan Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 No. There are 5 tone options per gender, but not silence. And no voice samples as far as I heard, either. xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shengar Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Kamui is leading an army because he's of royal blood. That's literally the only reason he needs.The fact that he seems to have higher authority than Ryouma or Marx in Hoshido or Nohr is kind of silly though. Dragon's blood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamingPandas Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 2 questions: 1) Does Avatar have a voice in these games? Does he speak at all? Speak as in utter words, not just grunts in battle. Speak as in cutscenes speaking, dialogue box speaking, and confession speaking. Does Avatar say anything during confessing scenes or Amie? 2) Does Avatar become the leader of the armies? I thought either Marx or Ryoma will be leading the main armies in Nohr and Hoshido routes respectively. Does Avatar lead a small band of elite units or...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 No. There are 5 tone options per gender, but not silence. Awww. I remember Rey showcasing Silent MU in Japanese Awakening last year. Oh well...booourns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoaGalaxy Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 2 questions: 1) Does Avatar have a voice in these games? Does he speak at all? Speak as in utter words, not just grunts in battle. Speak as in cutscenes speaking, dialogue box speaking, and confession speaking. Does Avatar say anything during confessing scenes or Amie? 2) Does Avatar become the leader of the armies? I thought either Marx or Ryoma will be leading the main armies in Nohr and Hoshido routes respectively. Does Avatar lead a small band of elite units or...? 1: It's basically awakening style as far as I can tell. There are cutscenes which are fully voiced, and yes the Avatar does speak in them..some of them anyway. 2: Yes you are. Technically for plot reasons Ryoma and Xander don't start in your party, and I don't know the full circumstances but they eventually join your army, not lead yours anyway. They still have fairly large er..command in your army, by which I mean screentime of sorts during plot segments after they join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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