mimasho Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Personally? I go for Oboro for Matoi. gasp NEVER aha that aside, she's already married to Takumi xD (it's literally the first pair I get for all of the five runs I've done so far lol) but...everyone else is a free agent ; u ; (excluding Hinoka b/c I have Marx or Leon plans for her and Luna because she'll probs marry Hinata) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Aye I forgot about your OTP. Well, Kagerou could be interesting. Makes her a bit slower, but she'd be an interesting Trueblade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayward Alchemist Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Eh, I wouldn't lower her Spd any more considering Subaki's dreadful Spd already. I'd go with at least a +1 modifier for her mom so she can have at least a neutral modifier. However, even then, kids like Shigure, Kanna, and Mido will likely be running around with anywhere from a +3 to a +11 modifier in Spd, easily outstripping Matoi in all forms (barring maybe Setsuna, but even then Azura or Setsuna!Eponine or Mido!Kanna will outspeed any unit except for herself. Also, Ebony, the gif in your sig is mesmerizing. What is it from, if you don't mind me asking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrophys Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Okay, so I think I filled the remaining ones in… wall of text incoming. Marriages and Buddies Notation: (Husband + Husband's Buddy) x (Wife + Wife's Buddy) 1st Gen Pairings: 1. (Tsubaki + Zero) x (Hinoka + Camilla)2. (Ryoma + Xander) x (Rinkah + Charlotte)3. (Takumi + Leo) x (Hana + Effie)4. (Saizou + Lazward) x (Kagerou + Rinkah); 5. (Hinata + Nishiki) x (Pieri + Luna)6. (Asama +Tsubaki) x (Orochi + Nyx)7. (Kaze + Xander or Slias) x (Felicia + Flora)8. (Jakob + Takumi) x (Azura + Sakura)9. (Silas + Ryoma) x (Oboro + Belka)10. (Nishiki + Hinata) x (Mozume + Oboro)11. (Tsukuymoi + Asama) x (Nyx + Mozume) 12. (Benoit + Tsukuyomi) x Belka + (Oboro)13. (Flannel + Benoit) x (Camilla + Hinoka)14. (Xander + Ryoma) x (Charlotte + Rinkah)15. (Leo +Odin) x (Sakura + Elise)16. (Zero + Tsubaki) x (Setsuna + Hinoka)17. (Odin + Lazward) x (Elise + Azura)18. (Arthur + Zero or Flannel) x (Effie + Hana)19. (Lazward + Flannel) x (Luna + Setsuna)1st Gen (Avatar) x 2nd Gen Pairing20. (Kamui/Corrin + any male A supports) x (Hinoka!Matoi + Sophie)2nd Gen Pairings:21. (Azura!Deere + Gurei) x (Camilla!Velour + Sophie)22. (Jakob!Shigure + Hisame) x (Orochi!Mitama + Kanna)23. (Rinkah!Shinonome + Seigbert) x (Setsuna!Eponine + Matoi)24. (Hana!Kisaragi + Deere/Foleo) x (Felicia!Midoriko + Kinu)25. (Kagerou!Gurei + Deere) x (Oboro!Sophie + Matoi)26. (Pieri!Hisame + Shigure) x (Hinoka!Matoi!Kanna + Mitama)27. (Charlotte!Seigbert + Shinonome) + x (Luna!Soleil + Ophelia): 28. (Sakura!Foleo + Shigure) x (Mozume!Kinu + Kanna)29. (Effie!Lutz + Deere) x (Nyx!Syalla + Matoi)30. (Belka!Ignis + Seigbert) x (Elise!Ophelia + Syalla) CLASSES CLASSES 1. Tsubaki: Pegasus Warrior, Samurai, Lance Fighter, OutlawHinoka: Pegasus Warrior, Lance Fighter, Samurai, Wyvern Rider2. Ryoma: Samurai, Pegasus Warrior, Oni Savage, Cavalier Rinkah: Oni Savage, Ninja, Samurai, Fighter3. Takumi: Bowman, Lance Fighter, Samurai, Dark MageHana: Samurai, Priestess, Bowman, Knight4. Saizou: Ninja, Samurai, Spellcaster, MercenaryKagerou: Ninja, Spellcaster, Samurai, Oni Savage5. Hinata: Samurai, Oni Savage, Cavalier, SpellcasterPieri: Cavalier, Dark Mage, Samurai, Mercenary6. Asama: Priest, Herb Merchant, Spellcaster, Pegasus WarriorOrochi: Spellcaster, Herb Merchant, Priestess, Dark Mage7. Kaze: Ninja, Samurai, Rod Knight, CavalierFelicia: Rod Knight, Mercenary, Ninja, Dark Mage8. Jakob: Rod Knight, Cavalier, Pegasus Warrior, BowmanAzura: Singer, Pegasus Warrior, Rod Knight, Priestess9. Silas: Cavalier, Mercenary, Lance Fighter, SamuraiOboro: Lance Fighter, Herb Merchant, Cavalier, Wyvern Rider10. Nishiki: Fox Spirit, Spellcaster, Bowman, SamuraiMozume: Villager, Bowman, Spellcaster, Lance Fighter11. Tsukuyomi: Spellcaster, Oni Savage, Dark Mage, PriestNyx: Dark Mage, Outlaw, Spellcaster, Bowman12. Benoit: Knight, Fighter, Wyvern Rider, SpellcasterBelka: Wyvern Rider, Fighter, Knight, Lance Fighter13. Flannel: Garou, Fighter, Wyvern Rider, KnightCamilla: Wyvern Rider, Dark Mage, Fighter, Pegasus Warrior14. Xander: Cavalier, Wyvern Rider, Fighter, SamuraiCharlotte: Fighter, Rod Knight, Cavalier, Oni Savage15. Leon: Dark Mage, Rod Knight, Priest, SamuraiSakura: Priestess, Pegasus Warrior, Dark Mage, Rod Knight16. Zero: Outlaw, Dark Mage, Bowman, Pegasus WarriorSetsuna: Bowman, Ninja, Outlaw, Pegasus Warrior17. Odin: Dark Mage, Samurai, Rod Knight, MercenaryElise: Rod Knight, Wyvern Rider, Dark Mage, Pegasus Warrior18. Arthur: Fighter, Cavalier, Knight, OutlawEffie: Knight, Rod Knight, Fighter, Samurai19. Lazward: Mercenary, Ninja, Pegasus Warrior, FighterLuna: Mercenary, Pegasus Warrior, Ninja, Bowman20. Kamui: Nohr Prince, Dark Mage, Pegasus Warrior, all A-support male classesHinoka!Matoi: Pegasus Warrior, Samurai, Lance Fighter, Dark Mage, Cavalier21. Azura!Deere: Rod Knight, Cavalier, Pegasus Warrior, Fighter, NinjaCamilla!Velour: Garou, Fighter, Wyvern Rider, Rod Knight, Cavalier22. Jakob!Shigure: Pegasus Warrior, Rod Knight, Wyvern Rider, Priest, SamuraiOrochi!Mitama: Priestess, Herb Merchant, Spellcaster, Pegasus Warrior, Dark Mage23. Rinkah!Shinonome: Lance Fighter, Samurai, Oni Savage, Outlaw, CavalierSetsuna!Eponine: Outlaw, Dark Mage, Bowman, Lance Fighter, Pegasus Warrior24. Hana!Kisaragi: Bowman, Lance Fighter, Samurai, Herb Merchant, Rod KnightFelicia!Midoriko Herb Merchant, Ninja, Rod Knight, Bowman, Spellcaster25. Kagerou!Gurei: Ninja, Samurai, Spellcaster, Cavalier, Rod KnightOboro!Sophie: Cavalier, Mercenary, Lance Fighter, Ninja, Pegasus Warrior26. Pieri!Hisame: Samurai, Oni Savage, Cavalier, Dark Mage, Pegasus WarriorHinoka!Matoi!Kanna: Nohr Princess, Dark Mage, Pegasus Warrior, Samurai, Priestess27. Charlotte!Seigbert: Cavalier, Wyvern Rider, Fighter, Mercenary, Lance FighterLuna!Soleil: Mercenary, Ninja, Pegasus Warrior, Cavalier, Dark Mage28. Sakura!Foleo: Rod Knight, Dark Mage, Priest, Spellcaster, Pegasus Warrior Mozume!Kinu: Fox Spirit, Spellcaster, Villager, Rod Knight, Dark Mage29. Effie!Lutz: Wyvern Rider, Fighter, Knight, Dark Mage, Rod KnightNyx!Syalla: Spellcaster, Oni Savage, Dark Mage, Wyvern Rider, Pegasus Warrior30. Belka!Ignis: Knight, Fighter, Wyvern Rider, Dark Mage, CavalierElise!Ophelia: Dark Mage, Samurai, Rod Knight, Knight, Spellcaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Also, Ebony, the gif in your sig is mesmerizing. What is it from, if you don't mind me asking? It's Scathatch as a Lancer from the PV for a Japanese only game Fate/Grand Order. She was (and right now continues to) be my favorite Lancer from the game (besides Cu Chulainn) so I put her in my signature. She's awesome. Also, what about a Felicia Matoi? I know sh'e s a bit more... magical... but... Basara? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrophys Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Indeed, you've had a lot of Fates characters in your Avatar and your signature… before you had an Avatar of Kirei Kotomine, now its Kiritsugu Emiya. Going back to the main topic, Felicia as the mother of Matoi would make her have really low STR growth and lowish magic (high for not traditionally magical unit but very low compared to traditionally magical ones)…. she would get Tomebreaker (combo with Mirror Strike) and Servant's Joy (use with support Falcon Warrior). I suppose she could abuse Shinrai Naginata as a Falcon Warrior (or Basara) for her main means of damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Indeed, you've had a lot of Fates characters in your Avatar and your signature… before you had an Avatar of Kirei Kotomine, now its Kiritsugu Emiya. Going back to the main topic, Felicia as the mother of Matoi would make her have really low STR growth and lowish magic (high for not traditionally magical unit but very low compared to traditionally magical ones)…. she would get Tomebreaker (combo with Mirror Strike) and Servant's Joy (use with support Falcon Warrior). I suppose she could abuse Shinrai Naginata as a Falcon Warrior (or Basara) for her main means of damage. Yeah I know. I'm in love with the series. And also Kotomine Kirei and Kiritsugu Emiya but that's another story about my awful taste in men for another time. I'm kind of stuck on her though. If only because Matoi was never a priority for me. Not because I hate her (granted she's one of my least favorites just because I'm not big on the clones, but I never really hated her) but because she has some... weird stats due to her dad. This means she'd be a character I'd experiment with. Like Kagerou, someone (for the life of me I can't remember who) said she'd be interesting as a "slower trueblade" so I'd try that out. Also, maybe Mozume or Sakura. I completely forgot about Sakura. Also I forgot Matoi doesn't get Basara unless she S-supports Shinonome... eh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrophys Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Well, I don't have the game yet (all my writing has been theory crafting, and also assuming more of a grinding context for invisible kingdom rather than no-grind, in which my theory-crafted sets aren't going to emerging)…. but yeah, I have thought of some similar things… Like Kagerou…. I'm using her on a Gurei in a simlar capacity…. rather than "slower Trueblade), he'd be "slower but stronger Ninja"…. you know, 35-2 SPD = 33 SPD, 27 + 5 STR = 32 STR). I think its a reasonable concept…. transform a class that is normally crazy fast but on the low side of str into a class that is now better on STR but slightly slower (but still fast compared to some other classes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Oh, there is one other option I wanted to try. Nyx. She seems strange for Matoi as a mom. I don't mind trying out stranger mothers. Besides she's the only other Nohr option. I wanna see if she has any uses besides giving Matoi lovely black hair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I've been wondering, would Luna!Soleil as a Pegasus Warrior (promoted Falcon Warrior) be good? Or at least better than Shigure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayward Alchemist Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I've been wondering, would Luna!Soleil as a Pegasus Warrior (promoted Falcon Warrior) be good? Or at least better than Shigure? Luna!Soliel (in my opinion) is one of the best Magekillers in the game, even with a neutral mod, at least in IK. She has access to Ninja and Pegasus Knight, the two best Magekilling classes in the game (and Dread Fighter). My favorite build is... Luna!Soliel@Dread Fighter -Kunaifaire -Mirror Strike -Magic Counter (A+ Mitama) -Tomebreaker (Marriage to Foleo, because it's cute and it works out great) -Swallow Strike (Dread Fighter isn't very fast, and she only has a +2 mod. However she only has a +1 Str mod, so Elite Ninja doesn't cut it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gayserbeam Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) I've been wondering, would Luna!Soleil as a Pegasus Warrior (promoted Falcon Warrior) be good? Or at least better than Shigure?Luna!Soleil Mods:1 STR / 1 MAG / 2 SKL / 2 SPD 2 LUK / 1 DEF / 0 RES Lazward!Shigure / Azura!Soleil Mods: 2 STR / 1 MAG / 4 SKL / 3 SPD 2 LUK / -3 DEF / 0 RES Neither are surviving very long, but I'd definitely argue that Shigure is better here. Luna!Soleil's mods are basically just Luna, so you kind of squander Soleil's potential. Lazward!Shigure also gets Tomebreaker, if your goal was mage-killing. Edited September 7, 2015 by gayserbeam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 *cry* why is my favorite such a SUCKY UNit god dammit lunavera you were so strong in awakening Hmm, if that doesn't work out, how is Camilla!Soleil? She gets a snazzy hair color, and Pegasus Warrior from marrying Shigure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimasho Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 aaah after reading these posts and sleeping on it, I'll probably just stick with Aqua again ; u ; while Felicia!Matoi sounds nice, I'd prefer her to be a non-magic user (since other child units outrank her in that category), but Kagerou as a mother sounds interesting. Now that I think about it, Rinka was left unmarried in my previous IK run... which of the three would be better, Kagerou, Rinka, or Aqua ? (in terms of strength growths and disregarding skills, end class will most likely be falcon warrior or great lord). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
December Knight Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) aaah after reading these posts and sleeping on it, I'll probably just stick with Aqua again ; u ; while Felicia!Matoi sounds nice, I'd prefer her to be a non-magic user (since other child units outrank her in that category), but Kagerou as a mother sounds interesting. Now that I think about it, Rinka was left unmarried in my previous IK run... which of the three would be better, Kagerou, Rinka, or Aqua ? (in terms of strength growths and disregarding skills, end class will most likely be falcon warrior or great lord). If you want just strength, Kagerou is you're best bet. Kagerou!Matoi's Mods - HP : 0, STR : 3, MAG : 1, SKL : 2, SPD : -2, LCK : 0, DEF : 3, RES : 1 Rinka!Matoi's Mods - HP : 0, STR : -1, MAG : 1, SKL : 1, SPD : 0, LCK : 0, DEF : 6, RES : 0 Aqua!Matoi's Mods - HP : 0, STR : 0, MAG : 1, SKL : 4, SPD : 2, LCK : 0, DEF : 1, RES : 0 (I know these aren't growths but I didn't know if I would get it right, so I went with mods instead... Hopefully that was okay.) Edited September 7, 2015 by December Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimasho Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 If you want just strength, Kagerou is you're best bet. Kagerou!Matoi's Mods - HP : 0, STR : 3, MAG : 1, SKL : 2, SPD : -2, LCK : 0, DEF : 3, RES : 1 Rinka!Matoi's Mods - HP : 0, STR : -1, MAG : 1, SKL : 1, SPD : 0, LCK : 0, DEF : 6, RES : 0 Aqua!Matoi's Mods - HP : 0, STR : 0, MAG : 1, SKL : 4, SPD : 2, LCK : 0, DEF : 1, RES : 0 (I know these aren't growths but I didn't know if I would get it right, so I went with mods instead... Hopefully that was okay.) Oh no worries ! mods are great as well, thanks so much !! * U * Looks like I'll probably be going Rinka!Kinu then, and aah that +3 STR looks good, but...speed lol I will have to think things through a bit more ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I'll admit, Matoi is one of the units I kinda wanna play around with. I'll most likely stick to Oboro!Matoi but I'd like to experiment. Like Nyx and Tsubaki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrophys Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Oboro Matoi is quite similar to Hinoka!Matoi in several key aspects… both get the same class sets (Pegasus/Samurai/Lance Fighter), both have +1 STR and +0 SPD mods. As for their differences: Oboro causes Matoi to have +4 SKL, -1 LCK, +5 Def, and -1 RES. Hinoka causes Matoi to have +2 SKL, +0 LCK, +3 DEF, and +2 Res. Both have +0 magic. Hinoka has better growths overall (305% vs. 280%). Oboro can pass down a Herb Merchant Skill OR can pass down a Spellcaster, Oni Savage, Wyvern, or Bowman skill by buddy supports. She can only pass down one skill, so these options are mutually exclusive. Hinoka can pass down skills from these trees by buddy support: Priestess, Archer, Wyvern Rider, or Rod Knight (Azura, replacement class for Singer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Oboro Matoi is quite similar to Hinoka!Matoi in several key aspects… both get the same class sets (Pegasus/Samurai/Lance Fighter), both have +1 STR and +0 SPD mods. As for their differences: Oboro causes Matoi to have +4 SKL, -1 LCK, +5 Def, and -1 RES. Hinoka causes Matoi to have +2 SKL, +0 LCK, +3 DEF, and +2 Res. Both have +0 magic. Hinoka has better growths overall (305% vs. 280%). Oboro can pass down a Herb Merchant Skill OR can pass down a Spellcaster, Oni Savage, Wyvern, or Bowman skill by buddy supports. She can only pass down one skill, so these options are mutually exclusive. Hinoka can pass down skills from these trees by buddy support: Priestess, Archer, Wyvern Rider, or Rod Knight (Azura, replacement class for Singer) Eh yeah, but I'm also pairing Hinoka with Silas right now. For Hoshido that is. Like I said I'm more interested in a Nyx Matoi because I don't understand why she's kind of a choice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrophys Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Well, Nyx's personal magic growth is 50%. . Mother and Child Growth hypothesis: Matoi gets 32.5% magic growth (contrast to 15% default); Str growth would be 20% (same as Setsuna's personal growth) Father, Mother, and Child Grwoth Hypothesis: Matoi gets 28.333% magic growth (contrast to 15% default). Strength growth would be 23.333% In both cases, these are personal growths. Add class growths for actual numbers. This Matoi might able to abuse Shinrai Nagiantas (the magic lances) better than some other mothers due to increased magic growth… they have higher mights than Steels, can double easily, etc…. they just don't let you use skills and they drop avoid… oh, and 1-2 range without doubling penalties or helping the enemy double you. She also gets Dark Knight, which can use Swordfaire or swords in common with Samurai. She also gets Bowbreaker if Matoi can bear going through Sorcerer. That could be taken back to Pegasus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 ... My that sounds fascinating, actually. I'll have to try that at some time. Even the weirdest parents can have some neat niches. Thanks. And she looks great imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SapphireFalconWing Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Well, Nyx's personal magic growth is 50%. . Mother and Child Growth hypothesis: Matoi gets 32.5% magic growth (contrast to 15% default); Str growth would be 20% (same as Setsuna's personal growth) Father, Mother, and Child Grwoth Hypothesis: Matoi gets 28.333% magic growth (contrast to 15% default). Strength growth would be 23.333% In both cases, these are personal growths. Add class growths for actual numbers. This Matoi might able to abuse Shinrai Nagiantas (the magic lances) better than some other mothers due to increased magic growth… they have higher mights than Steels, can double easily, etc…. they just don't let you use skills and they drop avoid… oh, and 1-2 range without doubling penalties or helping the enemy double you. She also gets Dark Knight, which can use Swordfaire or swords in common with Samurai. She also gets Bowbreaker if Matoi can bear going through Sorcerer. That could be taken back to Pegasus. I honestly wish Camilla was the choice instead especially with her mods, class branch and of course that lovely purple hair... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke of Dozel Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I'm sure Nyx! Matoi will want to stay a Dark Flier when the class is available. Also she can be a good healer and as astrophys stated, she'll be a good Flame Lance Shinrai Nagianta user, as well as the magical bow if iirc as a golden kite warrior. She'll have a 31 magic cap as a falcon and 30 with Golden kite. Support her with a bow user or lancer to get faires, and she can be a flying status baton user as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SapphireFalconWing Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Hmm....looking at it now Nyx!Matoi isn't that bad at all might try it next playthrough as Dark Falcon and pair her with a mag asset luck flaw Kamui for a mag base Kanna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollysama Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 What would be a good skill set for a +skl/-hp Femui! Soleil @ Brave Hero in Nohr? I'm stuck on which skills I should give her, although I'm considering passing down a Hoshidan skill such as Renewal or Breaking Sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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