blah the Prussian Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Yes, with self-defense there is absolutely nothing wrong. If North Korea attacks, it would only make sense to push them back from South Korean territory. What about pushing in to North Korean territory? Korea deserves unity, and after two wars on the peninsula it would make sense to prevent a third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical CC Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) Eh, reading the comments in this topic is like reading a comic book. Both NK, SK, China and America have been in a dead lock for a while and the deadlock will not be broken any time soon. Un is just having fun, reminding people that he can always do something like this. Everything will return to normal in the next week or so, there's nothing to see here. Despite barking alot for three generations of dictator, NK have never openly attack SK in wide scale for over 50 years. Everyone knows that the first one who pulls the trigger shall lose the support from the world and anyone who involves in this fiasco will come out in a very bad shape. Let me remind all of you about the Gulf War. Iraq was the aggressor, Saddam invaded Kuwait and America invaded Iraq in return. And how exactly the people at home reacted to the war? They went full negative on it even when the casualty was low and the war was very short. And dont let me remind you that both China and America are what holding the most part of world economy, the moment these two countries fight each other, you will still feel the heat even if you are living in Greenland. What about pushing in to North Korean territory? Korea deserves unity, and after two wars on the peninsula it would make sense to prevent a third. Naive. Really naive. Do you think China will let NK go like that? What part of the Korea war you didnt understand? Even if China actually let Un go. They will just do what they did, become the world police and pretend to "help" America by taking control of the lordless NK until everything calms down. They will just install a new pro-China leader, build military forts everywhere and keep it like that for years. The moment America and SK march into Pyongyang, either China will be there to protect the NK or to exploit the conflict. NK and SK will never be united by force. Nowadays, you cant simply take lands after lands, disposing the previous ruling government without taking dire sequels. Your country is not your alone. Every action you make will involve a lot of other countries and their interests. America had one chance to solve this conflict, and it was in 1953. They let their only chance go. Edited August 24, 2015 by Magical CC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah the Prussian Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Eh, reading the comments in this topic is like reading a comic book. Both NK, SK, China and America have been in a dead lock for a while and the deadlock will not be broken any time soon. Un is just having fun, reminding people that he can always do something like this. Everything will return to normal in the next week or so, there's nothing to see here. Despite barking alot for three generations of dictator, NK have never openly attack SK in wide scale. Everyone knows that the first one who pulls the trigger shall lose the support from the world and anyone who involves in this fiasco will come out in a very bad shape. Let me remind all of you about the Gulf War. Iraq was the aggressor, Saddam invaded Kuwait and America invaded Iraq in return. And how exactly the people at home reacted to the war? They went full negative on it even when the casualty was low and the war was very short. And dont let me remind you that both China and America are what holding the most part of world economy, the moment these two countries fight each other, you will still feel the heat even if you are living in Greenland. Naive. Really naive. Do you think China will let NK go like that? What part of the Korea war you didnt understand? Even if China actually let Un go. They will just do what they did, become the world police and pretend to "help" America by taking control of the lordless NK until everything calms down. They will just install a new pro-China leader, build military forts everywhere and keep it like that for years. The moment America and SK march into Pyongyang, either China will be there to protect the NK or to exploit the conflict. NK and SK will never be united by force. The thing is though that China actually needs to justify why it's doing that. If North Korea attacks, it probably will let it go. China isn't a totalitarian dictatorship under Mao anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical CC Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) The thing is though that China actually needs to justify why it's doing that. If North Korea attacks, it probably will let it go. China isn't a totalitarian dictatorship under Mao anymore. Even if China actually let Un go. They will just do what they did, become the world police and pretend to "help" America by taking control of the lordless NK until everything calms down. They will just install a new pro-China leader, build military forts everywhere and keep it like that for years. The moment America and SK march into Pyongyang, either China will be there to protect the NK or to exploit the conflict. NK and SK will never be united by force. Probably, that may be their best choice. War is expensive, why bother fighting when you can gain the same thing with a cheaper method. Edited August 24, 2015 by Magical CC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy_One Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 I don't think NK and SK will ever be united again EXCEPT by force. By that I mean that they've become two entirely different nations and cultures. Even if Un were to die tomorrow due to eating too much gluten which causes his dick to fly off and explode (thanks a lot South Park) and peace were to suddenly reign across the Korean peninsula it's unlikely they would rejoin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah the Prussian Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Even if China actually let Un go. They will just do what they did, become the world police and pretend to "help" America by taking control of the lordless NK until everything calms down. They will just install a new pro-China leader, build military forts everywhere and keep it like that for years. The moment America and SK march into Pyongyang, either China will be there to protect the NK or to exploit the conflict. NK and SK will never be united by force. Probably, that may be their best choice. War is expensive, why bother fighting when you can gain the same thing with a cheaper method. Even if that were true, I highly doubt the Chinese puppet leader would be worse than Kim Jong Un. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 It will certainly be interesting to see go down. If North Korea initiates the first strike, then by all means the USA should declare war on them. But as Magical CC said, if the war got pushed into North Korea's own territory China would get involved. A direct conflict with China would be WWIII, so the "play World Police Department for their own gain" sounds about right. I really don't see the situation changing too much over there, war or no; Korea won't be one united country anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy_One Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 Things seem to be, thankfully, calming down now. Still... that was FAR too close! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celice Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Has the NK sub fleet been recalled back to port? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy_One Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 Has the NK sub fleet been recalled back to port? I don't know yet. With the agreement they SHOULD return though, at least if North Korea is actually smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celice Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2015/08/25/0200000000AEN20150825004700315.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Looks like it all cooled off again ^ For the time being anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze The Great Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Whew. That was a little bit too close. Here's hoping for thawing relations between the two Korean peninsula countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah the Prussian Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 South Korea should have pushed for more. As it stands, all they got was a half hearted apology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) yeah seriously SK should've bombed the fuck out of NK for not getting a full-hearted apology right i mean are we ever going to get anything out of NK; they're like drug addicts: they spend all of the money that they don't have on one thing (military) and everyone knows they're insincere as fuck not to mention that NK is full of drug addicts anyway Edited August 25, 2015 by dondon151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah the Prussian Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 No, not war. But they have every right to put speakers on their own territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughx Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Well they ask the U.N. for food aid while putting all their industrial resources into the military instead of making their food industry more productive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical CC Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 A puppet leader is obviously better than Un and is more preferable for both China and America. Un knew this and he has so far, executed over 70 people in his "imperial court", mostly to eliminate potential opponents. Even his father didnt kill his officer that much. NK was still stable even after Kim Jong Il's death is because Kim Jong Il had spent months to prepared a swift and smooth ascension for his son. Some even suspect that he had been preparing it for years when his health started declining. Unless something happen and Un dies an unexpected death...ehem... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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