Loki Laufeyson Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I can't even guess as to what they're gonna do with Zero. His whole gimmick is to make people feel uncomfortable. Zero's dialogue will likely only be toned down to be less outright lewd, is all. And we all know how westerners seem to be much less shocked by violence than sexual suggestiveness. So in his supports with lets say, Camilla...instead of him saying "drag me across the floor and whip me", he'd probably say something like "I deserve to be punished by you and i will take it gladly." its the magic of localization. Making characters like Zero still be uncomfortable, but not outright scary to westerners. I hope they don't pull a Henry and completely change his personality :c Nah, i think Pieri is the one getting the Henry treatment. Her personality has too many uncomfortable quirks. (the Perpetually Mentally 9 Years Old thing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimeanRoyalKnight Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Yes. Bayonetta 2 (owned by SEGA and developed by Platinum, but fully funded and published by Nintendo) and Fatal Frame (developed by Tecmo, but it's owned and published by Nintendo). Also, Eternal Darkness and Conker Bad Fur Day. The real question here is: Was there a First or Second Party Nintendo game that got a rating of M?? And the other is: Is there anything in Fates that deserves a rating of M?? I'm looking at ESRB, and they are much more strict than PEGI... hmm... The content of Fates here would get a 12+ or a 16+ with extra added symbols detailing what kind of content it has (violence, sex, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Paladin X Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Also, Eternal Darkness and Conker Bad Fur Day. The real question here is: Was there a First or Second Party Nintendo game that got a rating of M?? And the other is: Is there anything in Fates that deserves a rating of M?? I'm looking at ESRB, and they are much more strict than PEGI... hmm... The content of Fates here would get a 12+ or a 16+ with extra added symbols detailing what kind of content it has (violence, sex, etc). IIRC, both of those games were developed by second party folks, but were published under Nintendo's name. First party games published directly by Nintendo rarely gets ESRB M rating. I don't think there is any content in Fates that would warrant censorship or a M rated rating. There may be a few skinship and dialogue changes that would make it less sexual suggestive (particularly from Zero), but the game shouldn't get too much censorship. I've seen many video games (i.e. Disgaea and Mugen Souls) that had more fanservice and boobs than any Fire Emblem game that weren't censored and got a T rating (although Mugen Souls had a mini-game that was too sexual in nature that would have gotten the game an AO rating, which wasn't included in the North American release, AO ratings is pretty much a death sentence for any video game publisher). And yes, ESRB by technicality is harsher than PEGI (if the Tharja's swimsuit censorship is any indicator), but I've seen other rating systems to be harsher (Germany and Australia have their own video game rating system that is harsher than United States). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) And yes, ESRB by technicality is harsher than PEGI (if the Tharja's swimsuit censorship is any indicator), but I've seen other rating systems to be harsher (Germany and Australia have their own video game rating system that is harsher than United States). How does something that was changed = ESRB being harsher? It was DLC, and we have no evidence pointing towards anything. NOA made the change themselves, most likely because they didn't want any negative press concern sexualization and the like to get out. I may sound like a broken record, but look at BlazBlue. The fact that that game series has gotten a T/12+ rating -with extremely blatant fanservice, innuendos, and a few character designs I wouldn't want to be caught dead looking at- pretty much tells me that there's virtually no way Fates would get an M rating. But Nintendo is a significantly more high-profile company than ASW that generally has had a family-friendly (read: nothing "Rated M for Mature") image, something the occasional second-party Conker's Bad Fur Day or Bayonetta 2 haven't changed. They're going to play things safe and modify/cut stuff. Honestly, if a Fire Emblem game ever get's an M rating, I would want it to get an M rating because it's actually mature. I would want it to actually show warfare, and deal with deep/tough themes. I don't want it get to get rated M because there's a bunch of cheap sexual thrills; just visual stimulation for a select group of people to jack off to. If a Fire Emblem game ever gets and M rating now, I have a pretty good idea which one of those two it will be. -end rant- (Edit: I'm not directing all this directly at you, Dark Paladin X. I'm just growing increasingly tired of this topic being brought up, alongside the "stupid prude americans" attitude that seems to crop up around here.) Edited November 8, 2015 by The DanMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jave Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Conker's Bad Fur Day wasn't published by NIntendo, actually. Even though Nintendo had a stake on Rare at the time, the game was published by THQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent_Chieftain Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I'd happily accept an M rating if it meant I get to play the game as intended. Realistically, if a game like Conception II (still have nightmares) can exist on the DS in it's current form, I don't see any point in censoring Fire Emblem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTakara82 Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 For such trauma... Case V that Athena had to go through as a kid that Simon protected her for years. yes *Giggle* Especially, Lana running from a herd of Cuucoo's. Glad they've kept that in...too. :D Lana is my waifu <3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiance Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Let's hope we get most of the things the Japanese version has. Some lines and supports need to be adjusted. The costumes seem fine enough and not to ... yeah. The changing of clothes may or may not be changed. Overall, the game will be able to target the audience that it sells to without any problems. If I missed anything it would be good to inform me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouseno4 Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) Oh crap! I forgot i created this thread. Sheesh... 3 pages to read... OK, at this point, i want to add the reason for this thread. After (sadly unavoidable at this stage) watching so many videos on Youtube regarding the content of the game, i am utterly and completely shocked by the sheer magnitude of questionable things that are not only included but featured in this game. Homosexualiy, incest, objectification of underage males and females, visual depictions of suicide, ''lewd'' (hate that word) supports and other conversations, 'skinship' (the whole concept) and even the fact that as you guys and girls say, you can strip everyone butt naked. If i was on the localisation team for this game, i would quit. (YES I KNOW LOCALISATION AND CENSORSHIP ARE TWO DIFFERENT PROCESSES - NO NEED TO KEEP REPEATING THIS) How the hell are they going to localise and censor a game chock full of stuff that apparently we cannot handle. They would have to literally cut a significant portion of the game completely out as altering it to be acceptable to the english speaking world would be a total nightmare. Awakening was nothing. Cover up a few females, alter some dialogue and thats it. Job done. One last statement - I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE GAME THE WAY IT IS. I can understand that it is a game and it is 100% fiction. None of the content bothers me in the slightest because i can make the distinction between the game world, and the real world. Edited November 8, 2015 by mouseno4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosabers Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 @Mouse, How is homosexuality questionable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimeanRoyalKnight Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 @Mouse Homosexuality is confirmed to be in in the US/PAL versions. In fact, it was the western fandom that knew about it before Japan; due to Nintendo's Tomodachi Life fiasco, they decided to let them know first, even before the release of the game. This is why I expect Zero to be toned down, or made more sympathethic, less perverted, etc, because it would bring a very bad image to Nintendo's promise to their LGBT fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exizel Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 So for you homosexuality is a questionable thing...I don't know how you feel about homosexuality and I don't care, but sociaty doesn't see it has a questionnable thing, and for a lot of people who does still accept it. so it's not a problem here. Let's be honest if they are going make one change about the homosexuality in this game it will be adding soleil has a romance option for FeKamui(if the Jap team that help in the localisation has the time to do it). If Zero is toned down, it will be more because of his personnality than his sexuality, If he was straight he would still be toned down. The incest only need to alter some dialogue. Suicide happen all the time in media(this game is going to be at best rate T(+12) ,not E(+3) so I don't think it's a problem). Skinship may only need a change in context(make it more "LOL" and less "SEX!!!"). For the stripping thing a lot of game who aren't rate M does it so they will probably just change some underwear. Most the change for the US/EU will depend on time and resource than the localisation team and the japanese team that help will have, so even if they want to change some thing they may not have the time to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gayserbeam Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Homosexuality, especially in video games, is far, far more socially accepted in Europe and North America than it is in Japan. People like to say "but Japan has all those yaoi and yuri mangas!", but those are, for the most part, sexualized or romanticized stories for the purpose of comedy or arousal; it's not unlike saying that Americans are alright with teacher-student relationships because they are common in American pornography and American teen fiction like Pretty Little Liars or Dawson's Creek. Gay marriage is barely even considered possible in Japan, but is legal in a lot of places out West. If Fire Emblem was made in NA, it would have had gay relationships by now. Many of the most popular Western RPGS of the past few years have all had uncoded and open homosexual characters or relationships, namely Skyrim, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Mass Effect 3, Fallout: New Vegas, and Undertale. Censoring Fates' gay marriage would be absurd and regressive. ...there's also the fact that it was confirmed by NoA. Maybe I should have started with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lysander Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Yeah, if anything I see them adding the ability to "adopt" the children for the gay stuff. If the japanese devs don't request that themselves, I'm sure somebody at treehouse would ask because that more than Zero's personality is kind of a big thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giga Man Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I also want to point out that, if Nintendo removes content, they usually add new stuff to compensate, nowdays. If Fates gets some things removed (I highly doubt it), it will be replaced by something new. Do you have any examples of this? I'm not doubting you. I've just never noticed any. The only time I remember Nintendo removing something for the sake of censorship is Tharja's trophy in Smash Bros. 3DS, but nothing to compensate for it unless I missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimeanRoyalKnight Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Do you have any examples of this? I'm not doubting you. I've just never noticed any. The only time I remember Nintendo removing something for the sake of censorship is Tharja's trophy in Smash Bros. 3DS, but nothing to compensate for it unless I missed it. I could be wrong, but wasn't that removed from the Japanese version too? Anyway, a very recent example is Fatal Frame: Maiden of the Black Water. The sexy outfits were replaced with Zelda and Samus outfits from the Nintendo games TeamNinja worked on (Hyrule Warriors and Other M). Another is the new Xenoblade: instead of not letting Lyn wear certain outfits, she will wear modified versions of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekoKnight Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Do you have any examples of this? I'm not doubting you. I've just never noticed any. The only time I remember Nintendo removing something for the sake of censorship is Tharja's trophy in Smash Bros. 3DS, but nothing to compensate for it unless I missed it. A Tharja trophy was removed from a game that has Zero Suit Samus....? Wat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medeus Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 It wasn't anything directly official; here's the post from the support thread. So it may not have been before E3, but it wasn't too long after. It's not the most verifiable of posts, but it's something. Thanks, it may not be official, but at least it gives us an idea of what's done for the game so far. I could be wrong, but wasn't that removed from the Japanese version too? It was, it's not present in any version of the game. What makes it interesting is that it may've been CERO who had something to do with that, particularly if this interview is any indication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouseno4 Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) Let me just stop you all right there. Homosexuality in games is not a new discussion. What everyone so far has deliberately ignored in my reply, was the fact that i already said that i have no problem with any of these things being in this game or any other. So why did i say homosexuality was questionable? Because the vocal minority on the internet made an issue about it, and they are quite loud. Their arguments, right or wrong, is whether such a topic should be explored in video games at all. And for the record, because i know forums are a breeding ground for trolls looking for a fight, one of my best mates happens to be of this orientation. So please stop taking things out of context and creating an argument where there need not be one. Edited November 8, 2015 by mouseno4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lysander Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 No offense, but that reply right there hit all of the obvious troll notes. Try reading it again from an outside perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Tone it down. The vocal minority is good at being loud. I wouldn't take them seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 The homosexual pairing thing is actually going to be a bit of a selling point for a lot of western players. They'd be mad to remove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giga Man Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I could be wrong, but wasn't that removed from the Japanese version too? Anyway, a very recent example is Fatal Frame: Maiden of the Black Water. The sexy outfits were replaced with Zelda and Samus outfits from the Nintendo games TeamNinja worked on (Hyrule Warriors and Other M). Another is the new Xenoblade: instead of not letting Lyn wear certain outfits, she will wear modified versions of them. Thanks, it may not be official, but at least it gives us an idea of what's done for the game so far. It was, it's not present in any version of the game. What makes it interesting is that it may've been CERO who had something to do with that, particularly if this interview is any indication. Thank you. That interview in particular was very enlightening. Sakurai got real for a moment. XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 The homosexuality will be limited in the NA version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 The homosexuality will be limited in the NA version The Supreme Court allows it. Why should they be removed?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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