Just a correction on the "Yato" Japanese pronunciation

[shadowofchaos]

I know some people prefer the Japanese names and stuff... and got used to "Yatogami" when referring to Fire Emblem Cipher cards...

And some people just use "Yato" because localization and stuff.

夜刀神

But it is "Yatonokami", not "Yatogami":

Edited January 24, 2016 by shadowofchaos

[GoXDS]

https://youtu.be/paN6zueAjF4?t=70

for confirmation

[NekoKnight]

So where does the 'no' go when you convert it to kanji?

[twice]

Yatonokami sounds better to me!

[dondon151]

So where does the 'no' go when you convert it to kanji?

it doesn't go anywhere. it becomes part of the kanji.

[NekoKnight]

My understanding of kanji is that they have set readings and you can't just throw in extra characters. For 夜 Ya　刀 Tou　神 Gami (Kami), the first two kanji use their 'on' reading and the last has its 'kun' reading. So is there some kind of precedent for particles to be included in the pronunciation of kanji compounds, even if there is no kanji that has the reading?

EDIT: I did some internet sleuthing and two other series (K and Date a Live) have characters with the name　夜刀神 and both use the "Yatogami" reading. Even the wiki for Yato no Kami has the 'no' particle written out, even when the kanji is used. Even if the full name of the sword is "Yato no kami", I still think Yatogami is the correct reading for the way it's written in Kanji.

Edited January 24, 2016 by NekoKnight

[shadowofchaos]

EDIT: I did some internet sleuthing and two other series (K and Date a Live) have characters with the name　夜刀神 and both use the "Yatogami" reading. Even the wiki for Yato no Kami has the 'no' particle written out, even when the kanji is used. Even if the full name of the sword is "Yato no kami", I still think Yatogami is the correct reading for the way it's written in Kanji.

You can't question it when the text there, Ryouma in the smash trailer, AND Sakurai in the smash presentation say "Yatonokami".

Edited January 24, 2016 by shadowofchaos

[B.Leu]

Huh, really ? That's surprising.

I'm no good at japanese, so who am I to say anything ? I'll leave it to the pro, and watch from afar.

[solrocknroll]

I still prefer just Yato to Yatogami or Yato no Kami, but I guess this is interesting to know.

[dondon151]

My understanding of kanji is that they have set readings and you can't just throw in extra characters.

your understanding is somewhat incorrect. for example, in the surname 井上, neither kanji is supposed to have a の, but it's pronounced that way.

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ateji for similar concepts.

[GoXDS]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ono_no_Takamura#Takamura_in_later_literature

just something I found recently. there are cases where the kana are simply excluded

[NekoKnight]

your understanding is somewhat incorrect. for example, in the surname 井上, neither kanji is supposed to have a の, but it's pronounced that way.

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ateji for similar concepts.

I see, that's interesting. Still, it's strange how 夜刀神 can be read as both Yato no Kami and Yatogami, depending on the intention of the writer. I guess the "rules" of correct kanji usage are more fluid than I thought. It's probably telling that they wrote the furigana for the Smash trailer.

Edited January 24, 2016 by NekoKnight

[Tooru]

Her name is "Yatogami Tohka"

[shadowofchaos]

Her name is "Yatogami Tohka"

Yes? And we've established that they're both valid readings for the KanjI. But for Fire Emblem: If, in that specific world, they are pronouncing it 100% as "Yatonokami".

[Loki Laufeyson]

Doesnt it really mean the same thing?

Anyway, this could be why the localization is calling it just Yato.

[VincentASM]

Oops, it didn't even occur to me and I think I saw it's written "yatonokami" in the game files.

Reminds me of the interview where they explained the proper pronunciation for the Parallel Falchion.