Anacybele Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Not that I don't like it, I always liked the Chinese Zodiac because animals. And one of them is the horse, my favorite. :D But why does Hoshido, a Japanese-themed country, have this? I thought I heard that Japan doesn't get along with China anyway... Also, why haven't I seen a Dragon Spirit spell in Birthright? It's one of the Chinese Zodiac too. And that'd just be badass. Or is there one? Edited February 26, 2016 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthblade Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I personally see Hoshido as being feudal Asia in general rather than strictly Japan. Though there might be some history behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angienessyo Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Well, even though they don't have the best relationship, Japan still likes putting Chinese inspired things in their pop culture. For example, Journey to the West is a Chinese story but was the inspiration for Dragonball, Saiyuki, and a million other things in anime. There's also Fruits Basket which heavily focuses on the Chinese zodiac for the characters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentacotus Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 A dragon spirit would be pretty cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawaiiPersona Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 there is a dragon spirit scroll, i got one from a random drop for a chapter, and i guess japan doesn't have to like china but they like some of their culture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure Sen Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Early Japan borrowed a lot of cultural and political stuff from China. A lot of their law, for example, was based in Confucianism, and a lot of kanji are based on Chinese script. Japan does have their own version of the Chinese Zodiac, with Sheep replacing Goat and Wild Boar replacing Pig (though I haven't seen a Boar spirit yet). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Ah, I see. Interesting. :) And yay, there is a Dragon Spirit! But now that I think about it, I haven't seen a Dog Spirit or Rooster Spirit either. But I suppose you don't have to use ALL twelve animals. EDIT: Oh yeah, forgot about the pig. I didn't see that one in Fates either. Edited February 26, 2016 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Ah, I see. Interesting. :) And yay, there is a Dragon Spirit! But now that I think about it, I haven't seen a Dog Spirit or Rooster Spirit either. But I suppose you don't have to use ALL twelve animals. EDIT: Oh yeah, forgot about the pig. I didn't see that one in Fates either. There is a Bird Spirit, which most likely is the Rooster's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Japan may not get along with China but being neighbors since forever we culturally diffused from each other a lot--- I mean a lot of Chinese people hate Japan today due to WWII stuff but Chinese netslang is also filled with Japanese loanwords, it's not a black and white cut and dry issue I mean this is why a lot of people get confused about Hanfu vs Kimono etc---they are absolutely not the same but they have some degree of similarities that are caused by cultural diffusion, and it confuses people who aren't familiar with the cultures. Early Japan borrowed a lot of cultural and political stuff from China. A lot of their law, for example, was based in Confucianism, and a lot of kanji are based on Chinese script. Japan does have their own version of the Chinese Zodiac, with Sheep replacing Goat and Wild Boar replacing Pig (though I haven't seen a Boar spirit yet). For reference, sheep and goat use the same Kanji in their writing, as do Pig and Boar. It's not as clearly differentiated as in the west. Edited February 26, 2016 by Thor Odinson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) There is a Bird Spirit, which most likely is the Rooster's. Ah, okay then. And yeah, I'm pretty sure the Chinese Zodiac still uses sheep, not goat. I remember because I was born in the year of the sheep. I looked it up once. Also, Jackie Chan Adventures cartoon. It uses the sheep, not the goat. :P The twelve animals are as follows from what I know: Horse Dog Rabbit Rooster Tiger Sheep Pig Rat Ox Monkey Snake Dragon Just realized I didn't see a Monkey Spirit in Fates either. lol Snake Spirit though, I did find! Edited February 26, 2016 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Ah, okay then. And yeah, I'm pretty sure the Chinese Zodiac still uses sheep, not goat. I remember because I was born in the year of the sheep. I looked it up once. Also, Jackie Chan Adventures cartoon. It uses the sheep, not the goat. :P Actually, in chinese it's just 羊. Goat's 山羊 and Sheep is straight up 羊 but also 绵羊 if you wanna get specific, so really both are legitimate translations. Whatever the bigger uh...species? order? something I suck at bio but anyway, that category that sheep and goat both belong to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 Oh, I see... Yeah, I really know nothing about Chinese or Japanese. They seem really confusing to me, which is why I've never bothered to try learning any Japanese. xP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twice Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) There's a list of weapons used in Fates on the Fire Emblem Wikia if you're interested. Edited February 26, 2016 by Jin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Oh, I see... Yeah, I really know nothing about Chinese or Japanese. They seem really confusing to me, which is why I've never bothered to try learning any Japanese. xP Haha yeah well, languages in complete different language systems from your native language can be very confusing. If I didn't move my ass to America when I was young and thus had a lot of immersion I'm not sure if my English would be any good, either. I complain about English a lot :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Ah, thanks, Jin. :) Thor: Yeah, you're probably right about that. :P Edited February 26, 2016 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozenkappa Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) The Chinese zodiac is in most of Eastern Asian cultures compared to the Greek Zodiac in the "western" cultures Dog and Pig/Boar or the only ones that doesn't seem to be in the game they and are also the 11th and 12th animal I guess they changed Rooster to just Bird in NA so its not as odd when looked at by itself Edit: Looking at a JPN wiki it seem in the JP version it is 鳥神 (Bird God) instead of using 雞 or 鸡. Also can someone explain 逆神・丑寅 (Reverse God - OxTiger?) aka Calamity Gate. I don't understand 丑寅 Relating to the Sheep/Goat which I though was interesting. From Wikipedia The Chinese word yáng refers both to goats and sheep, with shānyáng specifically goats and miányáng sheep. In English, the sign (originally based on a horned animal) may be called either. The interpretation of sheep or goat depends on culture. In Vietnamese, the sign is mùi, which is unambiguously goat. In Japan, on the other hand, the sign is hitsuji, sheep; while in Korea and Mongolia the sign is also sheep or ram. Within China, there may be a regional distinction with the zodiacal yáng more likely to be thought of as a goat in the south, while tending to be thought of as a sheep in the north. Edited February 26, 2016 by Frozenkappa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocturnal YL Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Also can someone explain 逆神・丑寅 (Reverse God - OxTiger?) aka Calamity Gate. I don't understand 丑寅 Northeast. In On'yodo, this direction represents the gate of evil demons. https://kotobank.jp/word/丑寅-439595 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozenkappa Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Northeast. In On'yodo, this direction represents the gate of evil demons. https://kotobank.jp/word/丑寅-439595 Thank you. I really should have expected it to be have archaic significance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 (edited) I think its rule of cool, and since I'm interested in both Japanese and Chinese lore & culture in general. I love the spell animations. Edited February 27, 2016 by Jedi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashabellanar Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Ah, okay then. And yeah, I'm pretty sure the Chinese Zodiac still uses sheep, not goat. I remember because I was born in the year of the sheep. I looked it up once. Also, Jackie Chan Adventures cartoon. It uses the sheep, not the goat. :P The twelve animals are as follows from what I know: Horse Dog Rabbit Rooster Tiger Sheep Pig Rat Ox Monkey Snake Dragon Just realized I didn't see a Monkey Spirit in Fates either. lol Snake Spirit though, I did find! Close but not quite. The correct order is actually: Rat Ox Tiger Rabbit Dragon Snake Horse Sheep Monkey Rooster Dog Pig Which explains the scroll rankings. Although if you really think about it, you would think that it'd be the other way. The story came from basically the animals had a race, rat was 1st and was therefore first place, ox was second, etc, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted February 27, 2016 Author Share Posted February 27, 2016 Close but not quite. The correct order is actually: Rat Ox Tiger Rabbit Dragon Snake Horse Sheep Monkey Rooster Dog Pig Which explains the scroll rankings. Although if you really think about it, you would think that it'd be the other way. The story came from basically the animals had a race, rat was 1st and was therefore first place, ox was second, etc, etc. Order? Uh, I didn't know there was a set order for them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashabellanar Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Order? Uh, I didn't know there was a set order for them... It's like a horoscope thing, except in years :)) So like 2000 was year of the dragon, 2001 was snake, etc, etc. Just some trivia haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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