Leif Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 As long as they don't touch Villager, I'll be happy. Villager is pretty much perfect as he is. They already nerfed his recovery a ton, and he isn't that powerful in the grand scheme of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 how'd his recovery get nerfed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) how'd his recovery get nerfed? Before, you could use his recovery consecutively and he could still fly up and off the screen. If you travel a long way up with his recovery and use it again now, he'll only go up a very tiny distance and then go into special fall. I've lost matches because of this lately. =/ Essentially, the nerf prevents you from spamming his recovery. I'm fine with that, but I just hope they'll leave him alone this time around. Edited May 19, 2016 by Leif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) Before, you could use his recovery consecutively and he could still fly up and off the screen. If you travel a long way up with his recovery and use it again now, he'll only go up a very tiny distance and then go into special fall. I've lost matches because of this lately. =/So the balloons kinda have a "ROB" sort of weakness after the initial one? Edited May 19, 2016 by shadowofchaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazycolorz5 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 So the balloons kinda have a "ROB" sort of weakness after the initial one? Yes. But its base distance is still really really really really far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) So the balloons kinda have a "ROB" sort of weakness after the initial one? Yeah, that's it. That's pretty much what they did with the Villager nerf. I think he's perfectly balanced now. He is meant to be a defensive, disruptive kind of fighter. He is amazing against large foes like Bowser and Ganon, but REALLY suffers against opponents like Rosalina, Mario, Dr. Mario, Fox, Falco, and Palutena who can reflect 60% of his attacks. He doesn't need any changes. His forward grab has horrific lag too. Yes. But its base distance is still really really really really far. It's still easy to gimp a Villager trying to recover on the ledge. It's very slow compared to ZSS's plasma whip or Bayonetta's after burner kicks. EDIT: I just found out from the earlier posts that Bayonetta was the only character to get nerfed. I'm an idiot. Edited May 19, 2016 by Leif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I dunno I still think UpB should be a move that locks you to it. MegaMan/Sonic/Bayonetta having an UpB that they can act out of just seem lame to me in general. I get they're basically dependant on that being part of their moveset but it's just the principle, y'know? I was kind of hopign the patch would nerf her two UpBs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zera Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Who thinks Dedede's Up-B should be buffed (i.e. less lag when landing on the stage)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 thats literally the least of ddd's worries, he has hitboxes that just don't work (dtilt, usmash) no aerial mobility (why did it get nerfed last patch) and no kill options that aren't ridiculously slow. Regardless I'm guessing this is probably the last patch. They probably only touched bayonetta since she came out so recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazycolorz5 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 It's still easy to gimp a Villager trying to recover on the ledge. I didn't say it was good, I said it was far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 thats literally the least of ddd's worries, he has hitboxes that just don't work (dtilt, usmash) no aerial mobility (why did it get nerfed last patch) and no kill options that aren't ridiculously slow. Regardless I'm guessing this is probably the last patch. They probably only touched bayonetta since she came out so recently. Clearly you haven't been working on D3's Suck n' Cuck, horseface Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingddd Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Kingdedede needs no patch. He's already perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zera Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 That only works in FG... more competitive players don't fall for those shenanigans... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 That only works in FG... more competitive players don't fall for those shenanigans... Your best hope is to follow Big D and his Dedede, because he actually did fairly alright at Genesis 3 with Dedede, but it might be the best the King can ever manage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knife Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 He used a lot of Falcon to get his G3 placing iirc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 He used a lot of Falcon to get his G3 placing iirc I don't seem to recall the listings showing him using Falcon, just Dedede and Bowser? But maybe those were false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knife Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Damn Bayonetta is actually bad now. I don't think any character has been nerfed this hard before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ema Skye Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Patch is out! Now to see where the dust settles. INCOMING PLACEBO CHANGELISTS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) Esam has done a small vid Bayonetta change list so far http://smashboards.com/threads/1-1-6-patch-notes-patch-discussion-read-the-first-post-before-replying.436806 Dtilt:Hitbox Size: 3.5 -> 2.8 FAF: 26F -> 27FFair:First Hit Damage: 3.8 -> 3Second Hit Damage: 2.8% -> 2.2%Third Hit:KBG: 82 -> 68Autocancel Frame: 32F> -> 33F>FAF: 36 -> 37Dair Landing Hit KBG: 140 -> 135After Burner Kick:Upwards Kick:All Hitboxes SDI Multiplier: 1 -> 2Early Hit KBG: 40 -> 50Normal Hit KBG: 30 -> 38Late Hit KBG: 100 -> 112Divekick:Damage: 8% -> 6.5%Angle: 80° -> 60°Hitbox Size: 6.5 -> 4.5SDI Multiplier: 1 -> 2Witch Twist:All Hitboxes SDI Multiplier: 1 -> 2Early Middle Hit:Upper Hitbox:KBG: 100 -> 97WKB: 160 -> 140Hitbox Y Position: 24 -> 21Both Hitbox Sizes: 8 -> 7Middle Middle Hit:Upper Hitbox Y Position: 24 -> 21Both Hitbox Sizes: 8 -> 7Late Middle Hit:Upper Hitbox Y Position: 24 -> 21Lower Hitbox WKB: 160 -> 135Both Hitbox Sizes: 8 -> 7Last Hit (First Use):KBG: 105 -> 80BKB: 50 -> 55Hitbox Size: 9 -> 8.5Hitbox Y Position: 20 -> 19Last Hit (Second Use):KBG: 30 -> 50Hitbox Size: 9 -> 8.5Hitbox Y Position: 20 -> 19 Edited May 20, 2016 by Jedi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euklyd Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 All in all, kind of a disappointing patch, tbh. At least they didn't buff the puff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 yeah even though i hate bayonetta, i'd rather have seen her be untouched and got some buffs on some losers like ddd and shulk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euklyd Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 tbh I wouldn't. I'm too selfish; fighting Bayonetta fucking sucks sucked I'll-reserve-judgement. I'm not sure I'd trade the Bayo nerfs for anything short of significant global buffs, or a buff to like Link's air acceleration / speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 People were acting like it was the end for Diddy after two consecutive nerfs; look at where he's at now. Then again, they actually buffed him in some regards; with Bayonetta it seems to be all take and no give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 People were acting like it was the end for Diddy after two consecutive nerfs; look at where he's at now. Then again, they actually buffed him in some regards; with Bayonetta it seems to be all take and no give. From what I've heard she's now like unable to do stuff she was able to even do in her trailer. Her trailer is now an outright lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 From what I've heard she's now like unable to do stuff she was able to even do in her trailer. Her trailer is now an outright lie. Sheesh. Honestly, I wish they'd released her in a state in-between what they released her in and where she is now. She'd still be decent, but not a crazy "make on wrong move and you die" type of character; subsequently, fewer people would be calling for a nerf, and this patch likely wouldn't have happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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