Moblin Major General Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Maybe I'm misremembering, but wasn't their purpose before Sonia married Brandon killing corrupt nobles? It's been a while since I last played FE7, but I think remember the game making a point of the fact you're fighting them because of Sonia's influence on them. Every Four Fangs member, apart from Linus, Lloyd, and Brendan, those being Ursula, Jerme, Kenneth, Pascal, and Jaffar, were all not good people. Linus and Lloyd are not Camuses because they don't know their on the wrong side until Sonia puts them on ice, literally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical Glace Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Alright, I simply misremembered then. Thank you. /me returns to corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DanMan Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Lyoid and Linus I think Mustafa and Xander are the only good Camuses. Maybe Nohrrin if he counts, because they have actual justification for why they stay with their army that's actually understandable. No. Just no. Mustafa has no loyalty outside of "If I disobey Gangrel, heads will roll". It's nothing resembling genuine loyalty; it's suppression via fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah the Prussian Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Also, there seems to me to be something self righteous about a group of assassins deciding who is worthy of life and who isn't. Maybe it's just me, but I can't imagine that the Black Fang have a detailed trial process to see if a target is really corrupt. Then there's the fact that they're still murderers, and in cold blood at that, and it takes a certain kind of person to kill someone in cold blood, no matter how much the target may deserve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke087 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) Alright, I simply misremembered then. Thank you./me returns to corner. Just to clarify what he said you remembered right the black fang's old purpose. Just all the people brought in by Nergal are evil... Everyone else was not, Uhai, Lloyd, Linus, Legault, Brendan, Jan... I'm pretty sure that Ursula was original member of the Black Fang as well... Edited June 9, 2016 by Locke087 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah the Prussian Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Once again, they're all professional killers who are making moral judgements on who it's okay to kill. They're evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke087 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) Once again, they're all professional killers who are making moral judgements on who it's okay to kill. They're evil. this game is set darker medieval times, such idealism is not exactly beneficial (desperate times call for desperate measures). As Bern was corrupt to the core, therefore vigilante justice was required, if such wasn't the case why would they formed such a group in the first place. The kind of corrupt men the black fang would've been after would have many horrible acts already under their belt. If a group stood in the position with the ability to kill Hitler should they not do it? Of course they were not completely the good guys they live more in a grey area, as they are not exactly villains either, which is what makes them interesting villains. The idea behind the group was well-intentioned at first but it could easily become corrupt. As they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Edited June 9, 2016 by Locke087 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkDestr0yer61 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) We need more Duessel and less Camus.I understand that your point to say Duessel is for the quote you just did. But wouldn't technically be more correct to say that we need more Lorenz and less Camus?And I guess this isn't popular, but I actually like Camus. He is probably one of my favorite characters in the series. I don't even know why exactly myself. I want to say it's because of his actions in FE3/12. Although he is one of the few Camus archetypes that I actually like Edited June 9, 2016 by DarkDestr0yer61 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah the Prussian Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 this game is set darker medieval times, such idealism is not exactly beneficial (desperate times call for desperate measures). As Bern was corrupt to the core, therefore vigilante justice was required, if such wasn't the case why would they formed such a group in the first place. The kind of corrupt men the black fang would've been after would have many horrible acts already under their belt. If a group stood in the position with the ability to kill Hitler should they not do it? Of course they were not completely the good guys they live more in a grey area, as they are not exactly villains either, which is what makes them interesting villains. The idea behind the group was well-intentioned at first but it could easily become corrupt. As they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I have to say, the "it's the Middle Ages!" excuse never really worked for me because despite that setting being present women have full equality, for example. Regardless, you aren't going to change a system by killing a few people. If anything you solidify it. And again, the idea that you get to decide who lives and who dies is evil. To use the Hitler example, if someone assassinated only Hitler someone else would have just taken over. What would have been needed was a coup (tried, but without success). Similarly, in Bern the root of the problem was King Desmond. Assasinate him after collaborating with people like Murdock and Zephiel, and that's fine. But if you are so prone to corruption, maybe you weren't good to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Since I've completed Conquest I can add a bit stuff. (Idk if these opinions are unpopular.) Axe is my most favorite and used physical weapon. Speed penalty for range weapons was a good idea to replace the weapon weight. Endgame map wasn't well designed. No big fan of straightforward designed final maps. Conquest was the hardest FE game on the lowest difficulty for me. I had more deaths in FE5 but it wasn't because of the difficulty but rather because of the RNG. Beruka > FE10 Haar against sword, axe and lance users Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted June 10, 2016 Author Share Posted June 10, 2016 Speed penalty for range weapons was a good idea to replace the weapon weight. I wouldn't mind the penalty returning, but not being able to double at all was overkill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rishal Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 I think FE7 is the most polished game in the series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted June 11, 2016 Author Share Posted June 11, 2016 I thought FE6's story was a bit boring and generic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 I thought FE6's story was a bit boring and generic. Doesn't most everyone who's played it think that, though? I've never heard a single person praise FE6's story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChibiToastExplosion Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 Doesn't most everyone who's played it think that, though? I've never heard a single person praise FE6's story. I don't know, I enjoyed it well enough, especially Jahn's part and the story of the scouring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimeanRoyalKnight Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 If this is an unpopular opinion, then... I love FE6's story, it's simple and bland but it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisaragi Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) I don't get why Anna is so hyped Edited June 12, 2016 by kisaragi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradivus. Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) Conquest's lategame maps are horrible. Edited June 12, 2016 by Gradivus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekoKnight Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Conquest's lategame maps are horrible. This isn't really unpopular. Even among the people who generally praise Conquest's map design, most don't care for the difficulty spike of late game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah the Prussian Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 This isn't really unpopular. Even among the people who generally praise Conquest's map design, most don't care for the difficulty spike of late game. Well, I dislike Ch. 21, but after that it's easy to get used to. I also hate the endgame, but that's a problem not unique to Conquest. You know what I'm talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dengres Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Conquest's lategame maps are horrible. I personally don't like any of Fates' endgame much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) The only great endgame map was FE10 (E-5 / Ashera) because it was no straightforward designed chapter. I liked this puzzle with the auras. FE3/12 was fine. Edited June 12, 2016 by Ayama Wirdo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical Glace Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) Doesn't most everyone who's played it think that, though? I've never heard a single person praise FE6's story.As someone whose favorite FE is 6, about the only things I really liked were the backstory regarding Idoun and Yahn and Zephiel. The plot was otherwise really boring imo. Edited June 12, 2016 by Glaceon Mage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerenesRainier Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Comrades is better than Together We Ride, Sacred Stones is the best handheld FE game, and the Tellius games had a far worse case of the "anime problem" people whine about than 3DSFE ever has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimeanRoyalKnight Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Comrades is better than Together We Ride, Sacred Stones is the best handheld FE game, and the Tellius games had a far worse case of the "anime problem" people whine about than 3DSFE ever has. What would that be? The blood pact? Micaiah being a Sue? Cat girls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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