PelicanOfDeath Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 So, I don't really care which side I choose, so long as the cute girls survive. Can I get a list of which people die so I don't end up dating them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 well these people really only die if you don't choose thier route. anyways for Conquest the death counts are like Ryouma Takumi Saizo Kagerou Hinata Orobo Orochi Reika Kaden Scarlet.(also dies in third route) For Birthright we have Xander Elise Arthur and Elise (if you don't talk to them) Laslow and Peri (if you don't clear the map fast enough) Benny Charolette Keaton Misc third route stuff Izana (he lives in the other two) please correct me if i missed anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastor15243 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) You missed Flora in birthright and Lilith in both Birthright and Conquest. Edited September 18, 2016 by Alastor15243 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 please correct me if i missed anyone. Kaze dies in Birthright if he doesn't have an A support with Corrin before the end of Chapter 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moblin Major General Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 You forgot that Kaze dies if you don't reach A support by a certain point in Birthright, and Flora will also die in Birthright.Lilith dies in both Birthright and Conquest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) I think its heavily implied that Gunter died in Birthright... Edited September 18, 2016 by Douglas MacArthur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastor15243 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 I think its heavily implied that Gunter died in Birthright... Isn't it implied that he was possessed in all routes, because that was the sole reason Hans was ordered to knock him down there? Why would he be killed when the commander of all the hostiles in Valla is possessing him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) Honestly, I don't think it really matters since we don't get to see him anyways. I'm just gonna go off on a limb to assume that Gunter died since he's unheard of in Birthright. :/ Edited September 18, 2016 by Douglas MacArthur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roflolxp54 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) Isn't it implied that he was possessed in all routes, because that was the sole reason Hans was ordered to knock him down there? Why would he be killed when the commander of all the hostiles in Valla is possessing him? [spoiler=Story spoilers in each route] It's more that Takumi is possessed in Conquest while Gunter, thanks to Azura, was able to avoid being killed. Azura also fails to detect the possession on Takumi until it was very well too late. In Birthright, Takumi fell into the Bottomless Canyon and got possessed but Azura removed Anankos's influence over him early on. Gunter is assumed dead or otherwise trapped in Valla. In Revelation, Takumi was held captive in Izumo and got rescued early on. Plus, Gunter's appearance was a little too convenient in Chapter 7. But yeah, it's in this route where it's clear that Gunter's fall into the Bottomless Canyon was arranged so Anankos can possess him. Edited September 18, 2016 by Roflolxp54 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastor15243 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 [spoiler=Story spoilers in each route]In Revelation, Takumi was held captive in Izumo and got rescued early on. Plus, Gunter's appearance was a little too convenient in Chapter 7. But yeah, it's in this route where it's clear that Gunter's fall into the Bottomless Canyon was arranged so Anankos can possess him. But if that was the entire point of knocking him down there, and this happens before the branch of fate, and Gunter is already possessed as early as Revelation chapter 7, then why on earth does it make any sense to believe he's not possessed in any other route? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Geek Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 But if that was the entire point of knocking him down there, and this happens before the branch of fate, and Gunter is already possessed as early as Revelation chapter 7, then why on earth does it make any sense to believe he's not possessed in any other route? Because Fates' story isn't very well written and there are tons of inconsistencies between the routes? Like how in Birthright and Conquest Xander and Leo absolutely refuse to believe that Garon is evil until they see that he's been replaced by a monster, but in Revelation they decide to defect to Corrin's side as soon as they see Garon cackling to himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedxgrace Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 please correct me if i missed anyone. Azura dies at the end of Birthright and Conquest, but it's pure endgame story stuff so if you avoided mentioning it on purpose, I understand. You can also avoid killing Oboro and Hinata if you just clear the map quickly by pairing up a flyer and going straight to Takumi. Not sure if that's recommended gameplay-wise, though. On normal mode, you only have to kill either Saizo or Kagero to gain access to the Dragon Vein that helps you beat chapter 25. Hard and lunatic mode require you to kill them both, though. Hana and Subaki are implied to being brutally murdered offscreen by Hans, just like Scarlet was. Conquest also lets you kill Shura via decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastor15243 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Hana and Subaki are implied to being brutally murdered offscreen by Hans, just like Scarlet was. Nope. Corrin explicitly states that they at least managed to keep them alive as hostages, along with Yukimura and Sakura. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKlein89 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 But if that was the entire point of knocking him down there, and this happens before the branch of fate, and Gunter is already possessed as early as Revelation chapter 7, then why on earth does it make any sense to believe he's not possessed in any other route? Because in Revelations it says that there is time passing between chapters 6 and 7? It could be enough time for Gunter to be possessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayward Alchemist Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 you have no control who lives who dies who tells your stooory I don't think Third Route Scarlet was mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradivus. Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) Takumi's, Ryoma's and Xander's retainers are all optional to kill. Oboro is pretty likely, but not guaranteed, to die gameplay-wise, but Saizo, Kagero and Hinata can be skipped by having Corrin win the duel (doable even with 1/4 damage) and flying over the canyon respectively. And Birthright!Xander is more or less a free 1-turn kill. Edited September 19, 2016 by Gradivus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastor15243 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Because in Revelations it says that there is time passing between chapters 6 and 7? It could be enough time for Gunter to be possessed. But nothing about Corrin's actions could possibly have changed that outcome, especially when it was the plan the whole time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradivus. Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) Azura probably gets to a lake more quickly to help Gunter out in Conquest. Edited September 19, 2016 by Gradivus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastor15243 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Azura probably gets to a lake more quickly to help Gunter out in Revelation/Conquest. Yes, but the question is whether or not he gets possessed, not whether or not Azura finds him. The plan was to possess him all along, so it would make absolutely no sense for a possessed Gunter to be killed unless it was decided that he had outlived his usefulness or something, and since I don't think his ultimate purpose was ever made very clear, I don't think we can say for sure that that's what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradivus. Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 We probably can't know if Gunter dies in Birthright, yeah, he's probably either possessed and alive or normally alive. Birthright doesn't mention Gunter at all I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryas Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 But if that was the entire point of knocking him down there, and this happens before the branch of fate, and Gunter is already possessed as early as Revelation chapter 7, then why on earth does it make any sense to believe he's not possessed in any other route? Because Takumi is a much juicier target for possession than Gunter, and that is something that wasn't planned by Anankos. Takumi falls into the Bottomless Canyon while engaging Nohrian troops in Birthright and Conquest. In Revelation, both the Hoshidans and the Nohrians retreat from the frontlines due to Corrin disrupting the initial battle by taking out the forward commander of each side in Ch. 6, thus Takumi isn't thrown into the Bottomless Canyon in the subsequent battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 man i forgot about those people, thanks guys. Because Takumi is a much juicier target for possession than Gunter, and that is something that wasn't planned by Anankos. Takumi falls into the Bottomless Canyon while engaging Nohrian troops in Birthright and Conquest. In Revelation, both the Hoshidans and the Nohrians retreat from the frontlines due to Corrin disrupting the initial battle by taking out the forward commander of each side in Ch. 6, thus Takumi isn't thrown into the Bottomless Canyon in the subsequent battle. also i forgot about this, nice little detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) ReikaDang it man, your typos made me double take.Reika is the name of my female MU, since it's an actual Japanese name for a female. It took me a second to realize you were referring to Yuugiri/Reina. On normal mode, you only have to kill either Saizo or Kagero to gain access to the Dragon Vein that helps you beat chapter 25. Hard and lunatic mode require you to kill them both, though. Hana and Subaki are implied to being brutally murdered offscreen by Hans, just like Scarlet was. Conquest also lets you kill Shura via decision. Normal Mode Conquest no grind DLC, only Kanna's paralogue, my lv 18 Kamui was able to take on Ryouma without anyone else moving or dying....granted, that's only Normal mode, though. Aqua/Azura dies on the non-DLC route like people have said above. I think considering the nature of this thread, spoilers are fair game. Even endgame spoilers. Edited September 19, 2016 by shadowofchaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradivus. Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 ^It's unlikely that Corrin can't kill Ryoma, even on Lunatic, if they use a killer or brave weapon. The damage Ryoma deals is quartered aswell, so survival tends to be easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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