JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) Now that I think about it, BW earlygame has even worst distribution that the Gen 1 earlygame games. Gen 1 was actually stupidly ridiculous. Its the only game in the series that gives you 410 BST pokemon with little effort shortly after Gym 1, and the early game is filled with the starter being the best representative of their type except for Blastoise(Blastoise is like outclassed by every single Water type that comes in late game even if hes the best starter), Spearow with Peck for Viridian Forest(can be trained into Drill Peck until you get the broken Dodrio), and Karate Chop Mankey Gen 2 and Gen 3 is probably the worst because the good shit you can get requires a high amount of extra work early on. The only all around non starter good pokemon you can get early in Gen 3 was Makuhita, and the birdies Edited October 2, 2016 by JSND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Water Mage Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Gen 1 was actually stupidly ridiculous. Its the only game in the series that gives you 410 BST pokemon with little effort shortly after Gym 1, and the early game is filled with the starter being the best representative of their type except for Blastoise(Blastoise is like outclassed by every single Water type that comes in late game even if hes the best starter), Spearow with Peck for Viridian Forest(can be trained into Drill Peck until you get the broken Dodrio), and Karate Chop Mankey Gen 2 and Gen 3 is probably the worst because the good shit you can get requires a high amount of extra work early on. The only all around non starter good pokemon you can get early in Gen 3 was Makuhita, and the birdies Is Gen 2 and Gen 3 really bad? In Gen 2, you have access to Mareep, Onix, Zubat and Gastly all before the first Gym. Though I will agree it takes a while for the last two to be good. In Gen 3, you have acess to Lotad(In S/E/AS), Ralts, and like you said, Makuhita and the birds. But like before it takes a while for some of them to be good. Though Ralts utterly destroy Brawly in ORAS. ... Thinking about it, I think I see the problem, there are good Pokemon early, but it takes a while to train them. Is that what you meant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) Is Gen 2 and Gen 3 really bad? In Gen 2, you have access to Mareep, Onix, Zubat and Gastly all before the first Gym. Though I will agree it takes a while for the last two to be good. In Gen 3, you have acess to Lotad(In S/E/AS), Ralts, and like you said, Makuhita and the birds. But like before it takes a while for some of them to be good. Though Ralts utterly destroy Brawly in ORAS. ... Thinking about it, I think I see the problem, there are good Pokemon early, but it takes a while to train them. Is that what you meant? Gen 2 is actually pretty decent once i look back at it. The example you lists except for Mareep requires trade or some hax to use(Onix need trade but is kinda OK, Zubat best move until somewhat high level is Leech Life, Gastly is hilariously useless without Trade since its only good TM move before Kanto is Thunder) and those are indeed the one that immediately comes to mind The best early game mon in Gen 2 is actually Furret(who is meh until Curl-Out), Phanpy(a better-ish Furret with natural curl out and late game earthquake, but a rare, fleeing Level 2), and Poliwag(Night only) Funny enough all 3 starter in GSC was actually really good(Chikorita being bad is hilariously wrong because it gets natural Body Slam and Razor Leaf) Gen 3 mention was more because i forgot Zigzagoon is the most broken in game pokemon of all time Edited October 2, 2016 by JSND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeryAngryBisharp Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Gen 3 has Shroomish which is how I used to beat the first two gyms. Stun Spore + Leech Seed + Mega Drain was the only way for me to beat Brawly, since Combusken was never strong enough to do alone. It can also Leech Seed one of Watsons Pokemon. Maybe I should have actually caught some other stuff but everything early game didn't appeal to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamanoir Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 (edited) One that have really great early game option is B2W2. Outside Riolu before the first gym, there's also Mareep (really great against Cheren's Pidove in Challenge Mode). Growlithe, Magnemite, Magby/Elekid before the 2nd Gym. Edited October 3, 2016 by Tamanoir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayni Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 (edited) Ah, DP. I got back into Pokemon with Pearl actually, as I didn't have a GBA or even knew it continued after Crystal. The last time I actually used a legendary in the main game and the first time I actually played with a bit more awareness of the team I had. Lost that cart almost a year later. It really is the worst of that gen though, mostly because Platinum is that much better and HGSS is a thing. Edited October 9, 2016 by Dayni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Guys, guys! There are two new Pokemon themes for the 3DS available now, and they feature evil teams. One is Team Rocket, of course. But the other? It's Team Galactic! There aren't any other evil team themes right now. Is this another foreshadowing of DP remakes? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLeafeon Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Y'all over here talking about how you feel old because D/P are ten years old. lol Me? I'm like "I was part of the ORIGINAL Pokemon fad. Back when Pokemon were banned from school." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Why is the physical/special split considered good anyway? It did ruin the competitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Water Mage Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Why is the physical/special split considered good anyway? It did ruin the competitive. How, exactly? The Physical/Special has always been praised as something that helped a lot of Pokemon become useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 How, exactly? The Physical/Special has always been praised as something that helped a lot of Pokemon become useful. Which ones for example? I don't think Tyranitar and the pseudo-legendary dragons needed another buff, and these were the mons who benefited from it the most (as did Togekiss and Weavile). Salamence was already a key player in RSE OU, and getting this buff caused it to become too strong for OU in the next gen. I imagine it was the ubiquitous Choice items and Life Orb that really ruined the competitive rather than the gen 4 split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 How about Pokemon like Flareon and Rapidash? Fire type moves were special only before the split, and these two had high attack rather than high sp. attack. They couldn't make full use of that high attack because they couldn't have a physical STAB move. Now they can in moves like Fire Fang and Flare Blitz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Neither of those Pokemon are used competitively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 They were fine using Fire Blast and Flamethrower tbqh. 95 and 80 base special attack is nothing to sneeze at. Neither witnessed a sudden appearance in the upper tiers following the split either. Entei probably did because of that high burn chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Neither of those Pokemon are used competitively. So? They were still better after the split than they were before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuuda Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) Gyarados? Sneasel/Weavile? Blaziken? Medicham/Gallade? Arcanine/Entei? Gengar (special Shadow Ball)? Just some off the top of my head. Edited October 9, 2016 by Shuuda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Water Mage Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 To add to that list, other Pokemon that benefited from the Physical/Special split are Roselia/Roserade, Vileplume, Breloom, Murkrow/Honchkrow, Sharpedo, Crawdaunt, Absol, Kingler, Quagsire, Feraligatr, Mamoswine, Swampert, Misdreavus/Mismagius, Metagross. A lot of Pokemon became more useful woth the Physical/Special split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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