Which games army is in your opinion, the strongest overall.

[Jotari]

56 minutes ago, Slumber said:

This brings up a problem with the writing in Fates. 

Anankos has insane feats, is able to basically rip time and space to his will(With limits), and his backstory basically has him being ABOVE an actually Godly being like Ashera. 

But he pees his metaphorical pants when he finds out what Naga is capable of. Grima, while being nowhere near as impressive when it comes to the heights of his feats as Anankos, actually kills Naga in the bad futures. 

Naga also, in other games in the Archanea-verse, while being the most powerful being alive, isn't some intangibly powerful being that can make superbeings in other universes recoil in terror. 

You can argue that these aren't the same Nagas, since Naga is more of a title than a singular being, but it's a title given to the highest Divine Dragon, who are the most powerful, but not insanely powerful, clan of Dragon. Earth Dragons are said to be the closest to Divine Dragons, and Medeus(And Loptyr implied as well) ascend beyond being Earth Dragons to being Shadow Dragons. Medeus and Loptyr have to be the closest to a Naga we realistically get to fight in the Archanea-verse games, and again, they're not that imposing. Obviously the heroes have the right tools to deal with them and defeat would be almost certain without them, but I don't think, like, Ashera is in another universe, feeling the presence of Medeus and Loptyr, and freaking out. 

So it's really difficult to compare Anankos and Grima. Yeah, Anankos has obviously the far more impressive feats, but Grima beat the being that frightened Anankos. 

Anyway. People have hit the nail on the head here. 

Quantity: NM or RD

Quality(In game): Awakening

Quality(In lore): Genealogy Gen 2

These are your strongest armies. 

Also it should be noted that Holy Weapons aren't the reason to fear Holy Blood users in Jugdral. They contribute to it a lot, but since we're going on lore, Ced with Holsety was scared to fight Galzus, who, being a prince of Issach and descendent of Odo, likely had major Holy Blood, even though Galzus did not have Balmung. It's largely the Holy Blood that makes them terrors, while the Holy Weapons are the icing on the cake. 

It could be that Anankos isn't actually as powerful as he seems. All of his great feets of power are limited to Valla which may give him a sort of home base advantage. Like, maybe it's the land itself that's just easily malleable and Naga or Grima would be able to look equally as impressive if they lived there.

And I maintain, in terms of lore, Nagi and Tiki could take on the Gen 2 Holy War cast if they had the entirety of New Mystery's cast backing them up.

Edited March 9, 2018 by Jotari

[Ae†her]

8 hours ago, Slumber said:

This brings up a problem with the writing in Fates. 

Anankos has insane feats, is able to basically rip time and space to his will(With limits), and his backstory basically has him being ABOVE an actually Godly being like Ashera. 

But he pees his metaphorical pants when he finds out what Naga is capable of. Grima, while being nowhere near as impressive when it comes to the heights of his feats as Anankos, actually kills Naga in the bad futures. 

Naga also, in other games in the Archanea-verse, while being the most powerful being alive, isn't some intangibly powerful being that can make superbeings in other universes recoil in terror. 

You can argue that these aren't the same Nagas, since Naga is more of a title than a singular being, but it's a title given to the highest Divine Dragon, who are the most powerful, but not insanely powerful, clan of Dragon. Earth Dragons are said to be the closest to Divine Dragons, and Medeus(And Loptyr implied as well) ascend beyond being Earth Dragons to being Shadow Dragons. Medeus and Loptyr have to be the closest to a Naga we realistically get to fight in the Archanea-verse games, and again, they're not that imposing. Obviously the heroes have the right tools to deal with them and defeat would be almost certain without them, but I don't think, like, Ashera is in another universe, feeling the presence of Medeus and Loptyr, and freaking out. 

So it's really difficult to compare Anankos and Grima. Yeah, Anankos has obviously the far more impressive feats, but Grima beat the being that frightened Anankos. 

The problem with Fates is primarily PIS (Plot-Induced Stupidity), and it makes it hard to determine what counts as feats for Anankos.

Despite a character being able to hold one very high end feat, if he's not able to perform consistently at that level then he can't be considered as powerful as he was when he performed said high-end feat, he or she will always be lower. This is pretty much the case with Anankos because he does not regularly perform at the level that he was at in End: Lost in Waves.

We see him struggle against mere humans, and get one shotted by a shiny hot stick wielded by a mere dragon-human. Plus as you said Anankos was afraid of Naga out of nowhere so that implies Naga is more powerful, but we know neither Naga or Grima have feats that surpass Anankos.

So yeah bad story writing makes it hard to determine how powerful FE villains are, however it doesn't meant the feats that they performed are disqualified either. The feats count for something, but if we were to lets say compare the power levels of all the god/dragon bosses in FE we would've have to look at consistency before making a judgement.

[Punished Dayni]

9 hours ago, Slumber said:

Also it should be noted that Holy Weapons aren't the reason to fear Holy Blood users in Jugdral. They contribute to it a lot, but since we're going on lore, Ced with Holsety was scared to fight Galzus, who, being a prince of Issach and descendent of Odo, likely had major Holy Blood, even though Galzus did not have Balmung. It's largely the Holy Blood that makes them terrors, while the Holy Weapons are the icing on the cake. 

Galzus does have it, there's some confirmation on that image with all the confirmed holy bloods somewhere on the main sites. Mareeta also has Major holy blood.

Also of course he'd be scared of one of the two people who could wield something as fast as himself, even if he didn't have it then and there.

Also Anankos is, as I've said elsewhere, the worst. How does he have so much power and yet is so easily bonkable?

Edited March 9, 2018 by Dayni

[Slumber]

1 hour ago, Dayni said:

Galzus does have it, there's some confirmation on that image with all the confirmed holy bloods somewhere on the main sites. Mareeta also has Major holy blood.

Also of course he'd be scared of one of the two people who could wield something as fast as himself, even if he didn't have it then and there.

Also Anankos is, as I've said elsewhere, the worst. How does he have so much power and yet is so easily bonkable?

Galzus and Mareeta have the mark of Odo, but I can't remember if the mark simply means having Holy Blood, or if it means they have major Holy Blood.

If it means major, then yeah, they're both major Holy Blood people.

[Punished Dayni]

10 minutes ago, Slumber said:

Galzus and Mareeta have the mark of Odo, but I can't remember if the mark simply means having Holy Blood, or if it means they have major Holy Blood.

If it means major, then yeah, they're both major Holy Blood people.

I've never seen anything indicating people with minor blood get brands.

As for what I was on about earlier, it's this image.

[Etrurian emperor]

Probably the army from Radient dawn. The Laguz royalty are all stated to be incredibly powerful. Tibarn can at least manage the Black knight in a fight and Naesalla can't be that weaker then Tibarn while caineghis is enough to scare off the Black knight. Ike surpasses the black knight at the end and since he can spar with Caineghis we can safely assume he's at the same powerlevel as the Laguz kings. So that's already 4 top tier fighters if we only look at the most important ones. One step down the ladder we have people like Gifca who's as strong as Tibarn or Kurthnaga who can destroy a castle all by himself.