Florete Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 (edited) So, find yourself another game and stick with it. Seriously. Every point you made is hardly an issue or a matter of opinion, like "cheesy plot twist." And if you don't want to discuss pre-FE7 FE's, don't, but don't tell other people not to. Edited November 13, 2008 by Red Fox of Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Poleax Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I guess the lords having late promotions and only one dark magic using character. But it's all minor and no big deal. As long as the gameplay rocks, I'm satisfied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YokaiKnight Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I think the royal dynamic you brought up is interesting and I'm wondering what it would be like to have one or no royal characters joining, especially as party leaders. I also agree with the comment about few Dark magic users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defeatist Elitist Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 The early Fire Emblem games can't legally be played in English, so people break the law and download an English patch of it. Until the game is in English, it shouldn't exist in English debates, since they technically don't exist yet. They're basically games that haven't been made yet. They're there, but not in English. No, they exist very much. They haven't been officially released in English yet. Their is nothing wrong with downloading the ROM and a patch. The patch itself is totally legal, and the ROM is almost a grey area. Technically it's illegal, but it hasn't really been licensed for sale here, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Envoy of the Beginning Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 No, they exist very much. They haven't been officially released in English yet. Their is nothing wrong with downloading the ROM and a patch. The patch itself is totally legal, and the ROM is almost a grey area. Technically it's illegal, but it hasn't really been licensed for sale here, so... But there hasn't been a case to my knowledge where someone gets arrested/sued solely for having ROMs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunny: spider bitten Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I guess the lords having late promotions and only one dark magic using character. There have been two dark magic users in every title but FE5. But anyway. Um. Desert Maps. Thieves without huge strength caps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandmanccl Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 (edited) Seriously. Every point you made is hardly an issue or a matter of opinion, like "cheesy plot twist."And if you don't want to discuss pre-FE7 FE's, don't, but don't tell other people not to. I will say they are the ones saying he can't have an opinion on the FE series as a whole simply because he's only played the ones he could obtain legally in a language he understood. Frankly, I think it's offensive to tell someone they are wrong for noticing little things that have carried across the series as we average Americans know the series. It's a fact all the FE main lord units have been young in the US releases, and the two others most western fans of the series know about are also very young. That's Marth and Roy, FYI, both of whom are the typical teenager hero embarking on a quest to save the world. (So that's FE1-3, 6-10, meaning the vast majority of the series, and I'd be very surprised to find out that the main guys in 4 and 5 weren't also younger characters in their late teens.) Most are, at best, in their late teens. I don't think Ike is even 20 yet in Radiant Dawn, although I could be wrong on that one (but even then, I'm older in reality than he is.) I understand why, I guess. It appeals to Japanese audience. They're used to stories being about young nobodies growing into some epic role. It's clichéd, but they as a culture have a really hard time breaking away from that. Good example is FE12. Penelo and Vaan were originally very, very minor characters. The main guy was supposed to be Basch, but the archtype of the grisly older male who falls from grace and returns to prominance isn't as appealing to the Japanese audience as it is to Americans (we love that in a hero, actually), so they decided to go with Vaan as the main focus character in order to bolster sales. So it's not just something that annoys me with Fire Emblem, but JRPGs as a whole. Hell, even when they are old, they are still children, like Micaiah or Laharl. That's probably why I just can't find myself caring a lot about most the FE units as a general rule. Most are boring stereotypes we've seen hundreds of times before. I do enjoy the waring nations aspect in the titles. I think the director pulls it off very well to make it a believable fantasy war (if, again, clichéd because there's always a super obvious good guy and super obvious bad guy you find out about at the very end after who was the main villain for most the time was actually being manipulated but was really a "good soul"). I would absolutely love for another company to make a Fire Emblem clone that appeals more towards Western audiences. Like, say, a Fallout game with Fire Emblem mechanics. I would eat that up in a heartbeat. Edited November 13, 2008 by sandmanccl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sangosan Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I love most traditions (blue-haired lords, red/green cavaliers... <3), except maybe the pegasus knights. >_> I think they're not a good class and you usually get 3 of them for a triangle attack which is useless anyway in most cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Spoon Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 You can't get them in English, though.Every thread I make is with and for the legal English Fire Emblem games. Yes you can. I play them in English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 bothers me that Dragon knights people tend to be traitors to the empire. I WANT MY DRAGON LORD JEIGAN UNIT NOW PLEASE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Tyler Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Guys, don't talk to D-Hero! We can't risk him having an orgasm because people are listening to him! Traditions I don't like White Lords - When are we gonna get a brother as a main character?! Blacks should had equal rights in the series! Affirmed Action FTW!!! Pegasus Sisters Triangle - They need to try other classes (The 3 Mage Sisters of FE4) that aren't foes or sucky units (the Knights of FE6) Dragon Knight Betrayers - My favorite class aren't all backstabbing bastards! But this is getting out of hand. Dragons - Idunno. But that does take away a part of the medieval myth that goes with FE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ike-Mike Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I said it before and I'll say it again; the blue hair on the lords. Enough with it already. >_>This.Leaf tried to break from the mold, but didn't succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thingy Person Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 White Lords - When are we gonna get a brother as a main character?! Blacks should had equal rights in the series! Affirmed Action FTW!!! It'll be hard finding a lot of blacks in a Japanese-made game, especially as a main character. I've only played FE10, but I don't think there are a good number of blacks in the other games either. More racial diversity in FE is something I would very much like, but saying that the main character should differ from the most prominent type of population is jumping the gun a bit. Still, who wouldn't want Devdanved as the main character? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisper Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 The dead father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny Hero Posted November 14, 2008 Author Share Posted November 14, 2008 *abandons thread* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defeatist Elitist Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 White Lords - When are we gonna get a brother as a main character?! Blacks should had equal rights in the series! Affirmed Action FTW!!! Hey, you've got Danved. Wait, badbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbad example. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunny: spider bitten Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 To be fair, I'm pretty sure that all characters are almost inherently 'Asian'. Devdan was an exception, and honestly, they probably shouldn't have made him. Skin tones vary greatly between Asains, and Devdan is the only character with a hair style that seems incredibly different. As for color. . . Well, yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionordeQuester Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) I understand why, I guess. It appeals to Japanese audience. They're used to stories being about young nobodies growing into some epic role. It's clichéd, but they as a culture have a really hard time breaking away from that. Good example is FE12. Penelo and Vaan were originally very, very minor characters. The main guy was supposed to be Basch, but the archtype of the grisly older male who falls from grace and returns to prominance isn't as appealing to the Japanese audience as it is to Americans (we love that in a hero, actually), so they decided to go with Vaan as the main focus character in order to bolster sales. That's not to say there aren't exceptions however, like the graphic novel Rurouni Kenshin. There's also Final Fantasy IV. I see what you mean though. Do you have any idea why that is? And also, what do you mean by "FE12"? There were only 11 far as I know. Edited November 14, 2008 by FionordeQuester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Wright Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) Actually, I would also like to see some diversity in race. Look at it this way...Japanese people make the game, and not one single person is Japanese, or even looks it a little. <_< What I hate... -Weak characters like Meg who have no purpose. -Characters with only one line, if they are in the game I think they should be important characters... - Lord characters being royalty. (Excluding 9/10) -No diversity in ethnicity. As Snow_Storm put it: I also wanna see a "brothah" Lord. Of course a "brothah" to me would be an Irish, or Arab person. Preferably Arab. :P -Point above, just to emphasize it more. I'm tired of all White people in games, it's sorta annoying to me. -Strong Mercs. When are we going to be able to fit that Merc slot with an awesome Swordmaster instead? Mercs -> are too awesome... -Deeper plot. Anyone remember my old topic about this? Yeah, I still think FE isn't "deep" enough. -Bosses that don't join your side. I was REALLY thinking Selena would join my side in 8, but I was betrayed. :(. I wanna see a boss character secede from the enemy's lines... More later. Edited November 14, 2008 by Ocelot the Viper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) I understand why, I guess. It appeals to Japanese audience. They're used to stories being about young nobodies growing into some epic role. It's clichéd, but they as a culture have a really hard time breaking away from that. Good example is FE12. Penelo and Vaan were originally very, very minor characters. The main guy was supposed to be Basch, but the archtype of the grisly older male who falls from grace and returns to prominance isn't as appealing to the Japanese audience as it is to Americans (we love that in a hero, actually), so they decided to go with Vaan as the main focus character in order to bolster sales.That's not to say there aren't exceptions however, like the graphic novel Rurouni Kenshin. There's also Final Fantasy IV. I see what you mean though. Do you have any idea why that is? And also, what do you mean by "FE12"? There were only 11 far as I know. He meant Final Fantasy 12 when he posted. Edited November 14, 2008 by Little Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderstrife Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 not to let anybody's dreams down but there will probably never be a non-white lord. the series is based off of medieval europe, and even though the maps are obviously different, the countries are even based off of real european places. the closest that you'll get to a black character is devdan, and the closest you'll get to an arab one is maybe hardain (ignore the fact that he's evil XD). the japanese market is like 90% west-obsessed, and thats probably how it'll stay, so thats why anime/games are primarily drawn to imitate a sort of european/american look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I don't like the part in FE8 when the traditional Cavaliers got switched around. <_< Really confuses me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionordeQuester Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 and the closest you'll get to an arab one is maybe hardain (ignore the fact that he's evil XD). That was only because he was brainwashed by Medeus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Tyler Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) the closest that you'll get to a black character is devdan, and the closest you'll get to an arab one is maybe hardain (ignore the fact that he's evil XD). IF Nintendo would to ever make a black lord, he'll be the second lord in the series to be killed. Go figure. Oh, you think because Hardain's Arabic makes him evil? You is ignorant! :P Speakin of which I also don't like "I'm gonna go emo and then get my emotions messed around with and go evil because a girl doesn't love me" archtype in Fire Emblem. Edited November 14, 2008 by Snow_Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defeatist Elitist Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I want to see an Arab lord. That WOULD fit with the Medieval Europe theme. I mean, the Middle East and Europe were VERY closely linked. He would be great. Perhaps he would start out wielding swords, as always, and would have a custom weapon called Scimitar, or something. Upon promotion he could gain a Camel. And maybe bows... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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