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Crysta

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  1. Doing dancer Lorenz on my first Maddening run and he's legitimately the dancer I've had to worry the least about. You don't have to be a powerhouse to be a good dancer: you need to dance, have nothing else to do that's valuable, and not turn into mist when an enemy unit sneezes in your direction. Lorenz fits the bill quite nicely.
  2. I suspect she was a woman whose growing loneliness had driven her to consider the worst plots to get back to her daughter, who she may have known was suffering or in immediate danger. Lambert may have become an obstacle. I think it's clear Dimitri may have put her on a pedestal and he seemed to be reconsidering his assessment of her after Cornelia's revelation, but she may genuinely have had no reason to treat him poorly.
  3. It's easily circumvented even when he does bother to react. It's amusing since Thales does it at a much greater distance than Random Dark Mage whose magical projectiles are effortlessly batted away in a prior cutscene, so it's not like he hasn't demonstrated the ability to counter it. Additionally, though they want it, the Agarthans/Solon/Thales are perfectly willing to let it go as long as Byleth himself is taken out of the equation. It's not the all-powerful and important macguffin to their plans, either. Advantage, sure. The trump card everyone needs in their deck? I don't think so. Byleth's presence itself is more important, it's simply more helpful in battle that he has the sword. The point is I don't think they need to feel close in order to try to get him on their side. Claude's a schemer who always keeps people at an emotional distance, even in the route meant to put him in the spotlight. Let him scheme, like Edelgard, even if he doesn't succeed if the Sword of the Creator is that important to him. The more simple explanation is that it just isn't, after it's finally revealed and the reality is that it DOESN'T effortlessly cleave mountains on a whim. It's powerful, but not what the legends have hyped it up to be. And that's fine. Having it is still vastly preferable to not having it. Uh... no? Wrecking a battlefield is not quite the same as cleaving a mountain: accessible magic is shown to be capable of doing that. No other relics are shown to be capable of taking on entire armies: in fact, even if they are powerful tools that Gautier and Goneril credit in their success against Sreng and Almyra, it's clear that the Houses that have them still need a standing army and they haven't completely decimated the invaders... and they're still not deterred from continuing to invade. Both of these things do very little collateral damage. At no point in the story is this even mentioned to be a concern, but I guess that can be credited to the people around Byleth simply believing he would never do that... and every damn cutscene is an indicator, Byleth is constantly using it even if you're not on the field.
  4. We also see it being easily deflected by Thales and it doing absolutely nothing to intimidate him when he blasts Byleth off a cliff. It's not just game mechanics. Against someone with knowledge of what they're up against, or someone who can get the jump on the wielder (not particularly hard, apparently), it's easily rendered useless. Sensei is much more than his sword. Claude doesn't heavily rely on it when it's finally in his corner. Byleth is much more useful to him as a tactician and popular political figurehead, and the latter is clearly more important in securing the support of the Church of Seiros and herding the Alliance lords. I'm not sure he fully relies on Byleth even after the time skip. Making no attempt to get to know Byleth after he acquires the Sword of the Creator is... strange, if Byleth is truly the game changer Claude believes he is. He's charming and sociable, and the opportunity is there if he wants it. I don't think he wanted to take it, so he didn't. And when he does take it? He still holds back. He wants Byleth to trust him as much as he would a sibling, but that doesn't mean it goes both ways. At no point does he fully fess up to being the Almyran crown prince, not even in the S-rank support where he actually downplays it. He doesn't really get into his motivations until his A-rank support. He eventually gives his allies and friends a general overview of what he intends to do when he's finally confronted about Nader, but even then he avoids Lorenz's pointed question by deflecting attention to Cyril, who is understandably annoyed by it. These are friends who are willing to die fighting for him. Not once did I cite actual game play mechanics as to why the Sword of the Creator is unimpressive. The actual story doesn't support the mythology, which exaggerates its power as legends are wont to do. Yes, Nemesis is shown wrecking legions of foes with it in the opening cutscene. That can actually be replicated in game by wrecking units with it at range. Is there any point in the story where Byleth is discouraged from using the Sword of the Creator because they fear he may cause too much collateral damage? Or is that the theory we're going with because Nemesis is clearly using it without regard for his own troops in the opening cutscene?
  5. I'm not really debating that part, but again, you don't steamroll the opposition with the Sword in any route. All of the obstacles don't magically fall away under the might of the Sword of the Creator. It's a great tool for war, not a great tool for politicking. He states that his goal is to find something, or someone, to assist him with his dreams... and he really doesn't need to declare his love for Byleth to at least be friends with him. Nor does Byleth even have to be a friend. He outright asks Edelgard of all people if she would help him if he was willing to become more forthcoming in a random library conversation and he knows she's secretive af. He doesn't need an explicit invitation or perpetual access to feel comfortable attempting to manipulate someone, or ask them for assistance. He knows Nemesis lost and he's skeptical of the literature surrounding the Goddess and how the Church protrays her. It's something he seeks to test, but funnily enough, I think Byleth using it actually reveals he can't single-handedly change the landscape or wipe out armies with it. When Byleth is helping him with the war effort, he emphasizes the SoTC being a symbol of them being important, but relies much more heavily on Byleth's command and tactics when actually fighting. And that may be why he doesn't think losing the Sword of the Creator spells the end for his ambitions.
  6. Her desire for the Sword of Creator, and attempts to get it, are consistent in the other routes. Eh, Claude was closer but not super close to Byleth even when Byleth acquires the SoTC. He's far more forthcoming after Byleth gets it, because of his desire to use him. I don't think he would normally completely discount the opportunity to sway Byleth even if he wasn't his professor and he wasn't as confident about his chances, if he considered the Sword of the Creator/Byleth absolutely paramount to his plans. Those plans are pretty significant to him if he's willing to die for them. I'm not. I'm skeptical he 100% believes the legends, because he routinely questions everything - unlike Edelgard. He openly wonders how much of the Nemesis versus Seiros mythology is actually true because he is simultaneously intellectually curious but cautious.
  7. I'll have to pay more attention to what they actually say re: them in my current VW run, then, but... that seems like a 2:2 ratio even with CF (which I haven't played).
  8. The lords in the other routes don't have plans so contingent on the Sword of the Creator, which makes his disinterest in Byleth more glaring because you're contending it is of the cornerstones of his grand plan. Edelgard definitely expresses an interest in acquiring the Sword of the Creator as the Flame Emperor, at the very least, and does approach and make a play for it (you miss all the shots you don't take, after all). Claude doesn't even make the most token effort. If only this added up accordingly in every other route, too. Part of the reason why it's easier to deduce what his plan isn't, rather than trying to deduce what it is. And why I'm not readily accepting your theory on what his plan was: there's more working against it than for it. I think it was a tool he wished to acquire, not the absolute key to his success, and there were going to be many more steps he'd have to take in order to succeed. The way it's being presented here is that Claude thinks if he gets the Sword of the Creator, because it's such an awesome weapon he also gets a united Alliance, all the Alliance relics, and no one can feasibly stop him unless they're blessed by the goddess like Rhea and Byleth... when apparently all you had to do to seriously incapacitate the previous wielders was to disarm them in a duel and Falcon Punch them or casually blast them off a cliff lol It doesn't benefit him if all he does is steal the Sword of the Creator, and doesn't mind the political implications. That puts him at a distinct disadvantage. Hence, I highly doubt it's Plan A. I doubt he's putting the amount of stock in the Sword of the Creator you think he is. In your hypothetical, he's playing his cards very poorly. He got them in Crimson Flower because he suffered presumably grievous losses at Gronder and this was his last shot to end it, so being picky about his methods when all he's got is a Hail Mary is not playing his cards well. You take the shot and deal with the consequences later, at that point. He brings them in during Verdant Wind because, due to the political capital he and Byleth have acquired due to being the principal anti-Imperial faction AND having the support of the Alliance lords/Church, he can simply afford to. And it's not like there still isn't some WTFing going on when his closeness to Nader is revealed. I doubt Byleth and Claude will have that kind of political capital to expend if its Claude versus Rhea. Even more of a reason to get rid of him if you can't use him yourself. It'd be easier than trying to eliminate a dragon, honestly, and would save him a bigger headache later. In VW, Gloucester is an ally Claude is confident he can win over. In CF starring Claude, that is likely much more difficult and not worth the effort tbh. Uh they're fine with Byleth because he is working with their ally. As for Sothis I'm... pretty sure they helped Nemesis brutally murder her for power. I don't think they're as deferential to her as you think they are: she was their enemy before Rhea was. Rhea is the one actively working against them in the current, and the current figurehead of the Church, so it makes sense that they reference her more.
  9. You know, for someone who desperately wants the Sword of the Creator himself or the wielder on his side so he can manipulate and use them, he makes surprisingly little effort to curry Byleth's favor outside of his own route. And it's not like he doesn't have easy access to Byleth, even if he's tutoring another class. Stealing the Sword of the Creator would be what triggers the bad things. The Sword of the Creator would undoubtedly be useful to him, but he would know stealing it would be igniting the powder keg. You have not sold me on the idea that using the Sword of the Creator alone to defeat his enemies and become Supreme Ruler is the first and most promising plan he has to defeat Rhea and make his dream a reality, that he would think that's a great plan, and if he could simply acquire or use the Sword of the Creator he would think fracturing the Alliance doesn't matter. Yes, I know. I have played Verdant Wind three times now. They simply need to remove the Imperial threat to Gloucester for him to jump back to the Alliance side because a) Byleth is the representative of the Church of Seiros and on Claude's side and b) Gloucester wasn't leading that faction because of his love for the Empire and - in spite of all his implied flaws and cooperation with the Empire - his interests lie in the Alliance. He is not truly Edelgard's ally, and if his territory wasn't in immediate danger, I suspect he'd have plenty of problems with her crusade against the Church and her plans to get rid of the caste system. My point is if it's Claude versus Rhea, he's siding with Rhea, particularly because he's been wanting to topple House Riegan for years and she's not at the political or power disadvantage you think she is if she's alive and pissed off. He'll have a much more compelling reasons to side with Rhea than he did when he sided with Edelgard, and since it's implied that he's the power player in Alliance politics, he may very well take the other Houses who follow his lead with him. This just kind of supports my theory that the politics matter just as much, if not more, than an ancient weapon of immense power. Claude bringing in the Almyrans without any prompting, while fighting the Church, makes it even more likely for the Alliance to splinter because he's bringing in the guys who routinely invade their territory. A Church-sanctioned Byleth isn't there to assuage that fear. I guarantee that's great propaganda fodder for the other side, too. Yeah probably. In all seriousness, assassinating Gloucester and covertly supporting the Church rebels may be the safer plan. Then stealing the Sword of the Creator - even without Byleth or the capability of using it - to trigger Rhea into making some wildly unpopular decisions that could make him look like the good guy. The Agarthian leadership was probably rotten, in all honesty. That seems to be a running theme here. Though I think they allude far more to Sothis than Rhea.
  10. Claude being skeptical of whether or not something is actually true will certainly factor into his plans, particularly if it carries a high degree of risk. Having only Church-sponsored propaganda to draw from - something he is very wary and cognizant of in the story - does not change this, either. Probably the biggest chink in all this theory crafting is that it makes Claude notably dumber and more careless than he actually is, even when he's younger and more cocky. If he does steal it, he's going to absolutely sure it does what he hopes it does, first. Even when he has Byleth and the Sword of the Creator on his side in VW, he is careful and doesn't think he can just steamroll the other side. He clearly acknowledges the importance of fostering other allies. House Gloucester sides with the Empire in every route out of survival than any ideological commitment to Edelgard and the Empire. That motivation won't be there in the hypothetical you're arguing: Gloucester will have both an ideological reason (devout Church follower) and a self-interest reason (may finally get to be leader of the Alliance) to back Rhea/Seiros against Claude. And the odds in his favor do not look as overwhelming as you think it does. Also would not assume the Empire will operate the same way as the Alliance, particularly when the game goes out of its way to inform you how little unity the latter typically has. And that even if the narration calls Claude the "adept new leader" of the Alliance, they're not super happy with him "neglecting Alliance territory", and he does not get full commitments from them until they're spoken to by Rhea's chosen successor. It's implied that the territory was split into anti/pro-Imperial factions, implying it was more than just Gloucester. And unlike Gloucester, I'm not sure they're worried about immediate Empire invasion of their territory, or that they actually agree with Edelgard in regard to the Church, so much as angling for more power ([email protected]) and siding with the faction most likely to achieve that ends for them. There's nothing to suggest they're doing it because they don't like the Church. This is why I wished VW was more of a political intrigue route than a copy paste of Silver Snow's beats, but whatever. That is a different complaint. I thought it was pretty clear he was flirting with that idea even in the English version, and the game explains why Rhea/the Church is an obstacle in his goal of busting open Fodlan's Throat. Getting rid of Rhea before trying to take over the world reduces the risk involved considerably, instead of royally pissing her off by stealing a fabled relic he isn't entirely sure he can even use or that it does what the stories says it does. It also makes it abundantly obvious that Claude suspects his interpretation of what he's read isn't 100% true. So expecting him to put so much stock in the mythology of the Sword of the Creator, in a way that spectacularly puts his plans in danger and limits his contingency plans, is not very convincing. All this aside, I do agree that the Slitherers being the evil manipulative pricks they are does not absolve Dimitri of the responsibility of the decisions he makes as an easily emotionally manipulated leader any more than it absolves Edelgard of her decisions - whose trauma they have a heavy hand in, too.
  11. Rhea is not the most reliable narrator and Claude is not someone who accepts the mythology surrounding Nemesis wholesale even in the game dialogue. Even accepting that, Seiros is still around, and there will be Alliance lords who side with her. There is no point where the Alliance is unified under Claude against Rhea/Seiros. It will be Crimson Rose starring Claude/Byleth versus Seiros/Rhea + the Kingdom, the Empire (assuming we're taking Edelgard out of this hypothetical), likely half of his own Alliance. He definitely will not have all of the Alliance relics on his side. If he manages to kill Rhea/Seiros before he strikes, then he has a much better shot at it. But that doesn't happen even in Crimson Flower.
  12. I doubt she was actually blessed by her dead mother, honestly. I don't know how solid this premise actually is: it's more that Seiros was the only one capable of going toe-to-toe with him at the time, in an era when we don't have a system of training child soldiers with relic weapons. He bodies Holst, but the Alliance was caught by surprise and Holst didn't know what the fuck he was up against. And what timeline are we arguing that Claude has a united Alliance behind him? Because it isn't when he's a teenager at the monastery, and it isn't even the case in VW until the second half, when you take the bridge and Gloucester jumps ship. Who, by the way, covets Claude's position and is a devout follower of the Church of Seiros. Byleth certainly is not Rhea's appointed successor in this situation: he is Nemesis 2.0.
  13. Wielding the Sword of the Creator doesn't stop people from opposing you, nor does it make you invincible. The guy who wielded it still needed an army behind him and still died, and there was plenty of opposition. It is a powerful tool, but not an absolutely necessary one, and you definitely need more if you want to defeat Rhea/the Church. Claude needs to destabilize the latter and acquire actual political power before he attempts to steal the damn thing, but it doesn't mean he wouldn't stop researching and looking for it. Hell, even if he can't use it himself, stealing it is a good way to deprive the Church of it and trigger Rhea - but he needs to be prepared for the consequences of that choice. It's a big stretch to believe he thinks he just needs the sword and the world will have no choice but to surrender to him.
  14. Oh he definitely wants it, but he isn't going to think it's the solution to his all his problems. It's a powerful tool in his arsenal. Edelgard declaring war and taking out Rhea - and in extension greatly weakening the Church - gives him the opportunity to actually co-opt them for his own uses versus fighting them himself. His grandfather dying in the five year skip puts him in a much better position to influence the political tempest that is the Alliance. Because Edelgard isn't just out to destroy Rhea and the Church and is seeking to consolidate the entire continent means he's fighting a defensive war instead of being the tyrant everyone hates himself, and he's ironically fighting her WITH the Church of Seiros, so he has the devout followers on his side. Byleth being Rhea's appointed successor and attending the Roundtable Conference with him, funnily enough, is what sways the normally bickering Alliance lords to throw their support behind Claude... not the Sword of the Creator. In fact, I could argue all those strokes of luck make the Sword of Creator unnecessary for everything but defeating Nemesis... and it's already been established that you don't actually need it to defeat him (apparently you need to challenge him to a duel, disarm him, punch him in the face, and stab him repeatedly). Removing any other part of that combination makes things much trickier, and the Sword of the Creator may have more relevance, but... you're really overestimating it's importance. And I don't think Claude himself would.
  15. And that the Church is in shambles/working with him. That is a far more deciding factor, imo. Stealing the sword, angering a dragon and an immensely powerful religion, while a teenager who isn't actually the leader of the Alliance yet, sounds like a horrendously dumb idea for someone who is known to be incredibly careful when taking risks. Going up against Edelgard/an invader and going up against Rhea/a powerful organized religion are two very different things.
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