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    3 hours ago, SB. said:

    There’s no reason for scum to be afraid in RVS, but I got the impression that Athena was worried about me questioning him (even before I’d voted the slot) because his response was non-commital, even for a day 1 read.

    So if scum has, as you yourself say, no reason to be afraid in RVS then why would Athena being nervous be or non-comital be scummy. You can say that it was RVS, but you continue to keep the option of a scum!Athena read open for a while. Like I don't see why you say scum has no reason to do something when you were using it as your reason to vote Athena. 

    Like I don't have a problem with you reading Athena as town after their latest posts, since they were fine, but I honestly still don't get your early reads on Athena.

     

    2 hours ago, SB. said:

    Oh, I missed that part. My bad.

    That being said, I don't think that Shinori's reads have been unclear at all because his posts have a lot of depth to them that explain his thought process and I don't think his priorities have been strange either. I've blankvoted someone who I'd previously cased before as town out of laziness so I can definitely get it lol.

    What makes KTS different to Shinori? I don't understand why you would treat KTS' Ice/Eury/Randa comment so... nicely I guess, when you're scumreading Shinori for unclear priorities when KTS would be infinitely more guilty of that. It seems inconsistent to me.

    @Killthestory Fwiw I'm bothering a lot of people with questions because in the last game I played I struggled to get reads and what I had mostly sucked so I'm trying to give myself more information to work with early. I unvoted Athena for Randa because I feel like Randa's vote on Shinori was weak and I feel like his attachment to defending his RVS actions is weird, I thought he would have just dropped it by this point so it reads as weirdly defensive. I didn't actually have a reason to drop the suspicion on Athena though until his last post where I liked how he answered my question.

    I get your Eury suspicion but don't really agree because I felt similarly last game about them iirc and they were town, and I think Eury being confused by Shinori playing differently(?) makes sense because it's Eury. I understand enough of her thoughts even if she isn't pushing strongly rn that I'm not worried about her.

    @Rapier Athena only stated their opinion Bart because I asked them to so I didn't see that as an attempt to be productive on his own, and also I explained why Athena's case was different. Is your comment on Bart serious? I don't get why you think he would feel scared of RVS votes.

    1. Activity: Shinori was active and posting content as opposed to what was essentially non-content coming out of KTS. Which actually brings up a more notable point, @Killthestory why did you not just post your thoughts and reads when baldrick asked you to explain your view on the interaction between me and Shinori? Why did I need to specifically ask for you to justify your thoughts before you posted anything more than a sentence or two? Imma elaborate on my thoughts on KTS further down.

    2. Expectations: I've played with Shinori before and I remember him being a good player. I have no idea who KTS is, have never played with him so I have no expectations.

    1 hour ago, Refa said:

    @Randa I meant, I literally don't have a read on your slot despite being bothered by the pushes on you.

    I actually have a problem with this then. Like if you have a null read on me and your bothered by the pushes on me, then explain why. Do you have a scum read on anybody who's been pushing me? You mention Baldrick and SB off a gut read but mention nobody else who is voting me and don't really explain any specific parts about their cases. I get your demotivated but I feel like I expect more.

    2 hours ago, Killthestory said:

    as for lurky players i don't altogether like in terms of how i'm reading them v, i don't like refa or ice sage just lurking and making half committed comments to the game while people are in the middle of pushing each other. refa i think i have every reason for wanting to expect more from because, well, they played a very good town game last time i played with them, and here they're laying low and just very nothing. not strong yet. as for ice sage, his entrance was the textbook entrance for a scum player trying to lay low with a simple jokepost before moving into slanking. that read is sorta strong simply because of the entrance and the absolutely wolfy nature of it. 

     

    1 hour ago, Killthestory said:

    i don't really think this is the case lol.

    regardless of if these were wagons or not,  you waffled on a lot of reads here. i poorly articulated my thoughts by describing them as wagons, but the initial point stands that you're sort of tmi while also simultaneously not committing to reads and not making any concrete pushes. comes off as a lot of manipulative shading that i don't really find the greatest in the world to look at. like, i want to challenge you to figure out who you find to be the likeliest scum instead of saying, "well, he could do this, but HE COULD ALSO DO THIS." doubting yourself on reads makes me doubt you on your reads, and when i doubt you on your reads, i doubt you on your alignment. i like not to be doubtful in mafia games. :)

    it was more of a blanket statement, but it doesn't come across that way when there's few pages. i was aware that there wasn't 7 pages when you were posting at the time, but at the same time, i'm also aware there was still content to look into and formulate reads upon instead of coasting in the background and giving the image that you're gamesolving when you're not. 

    can you show me direct examples of this within your town meta? 

    i also dislike this self awareness. scum typically have more thoughts on their image and how they look to other people, so him just stating that he realizes it doesn't look good on him gives the implication that he's been paying attention to how he's looked with the rest of his posts as well.

    yet... ##vote Ice Sage

    22 minutes ago, Killthestory said:

    for the record, until i get back, just assume that eurykins is town. i'm not gonna bother going into it, but it's kind of getting obvious.

    appropriate wagons for today have already been set. glgl

    Here's My problem with how KTS has been playing:

    1. You go on about Eury for the entire post and you don't mention anywhere that your read on Eury swings to town. The parts I bolded I feel are saying you still scum read Eury and then you just like never explain why you change to Eury is ObvTown

    2. You vote Ice Sage after barely mentioning him, and you really don't give us any reason for this. Like what makes Ice Sage worse then like SB, myself, Refa, or EvanManMan. It just seems completely arbitrary. 

    This is the same thing I have an issue with Shinori's Refa vote for and I don't think this is just me being confused this time or misreading something. I feel like this is so much worse than Shinori's though, because you had more to work off of.

    ##Unvote

    ##Vote: KTS

    I feel confident with this for now. 

    1 hour ago, Shinori said:

    I want to state one thing because I feel that this is slightly important WRT Randa/myself.

    Randa's vote on me came in the middle of a very big post that focused at me.  It was also posted very shortly after my post voting him.

    With this in mind I think he was already working on his post/already had his vote on me in his post when I voted him.

    Therefore I fill that @Killthestory's reasoning for saying that it seems he doesn't care about his image (Cause scum wouldn't just vote the person who voted you generally because they are wary of image) isn't as big of an argument.  I don't feel his vote was OMGUS and I basically feel we actually voted each other at about the same time.

    Yeah I think I posted like 5 minutes after you did cause I forgot to prepost check.

    55 minutes ago, Shinori said:

    Not reading Randa's posts yet disliking Randa push.  Attacking people for pushing someone based on 'gut' while not actually providing reasons as to why they are actually scummy while also not reading or commenting on the person they are pushing.  This is a classic chainsaw defense and this combined with Refa's earlier sheep vote makes him stay right at my #2 for scum reads at the moment.

    Honestly I agree with this point not gonna lie. 

    So basic rundown. I'm leaning more towards a null/town reading on Shinori. I am mostly null on SB and slightly scum on Refa. I'll address Eury and Bartozio and whoever else has posted since I started writing when I get around to it.

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    Posted

    57 minutes ago, Shinori said:

    Wat?

    I scum read sb, with an FoS on Refa early on, this has evidence on me voting SB while questioning Refa about his weak sheep vote; speaking of which Refa needs to come back.

    I then stated I felt a bit better about SB so I dropped my vote on him and moved it to Refa who hadn't responded to me yet.

    I then voted you, because I'm obviously scum reading you at this point in time, and since refa has yet to respond or do anything my read on him hasn't really changed from; I want answers, this sheep was bad.

    ?????????????????????????

    I don't even understand this.  I've been very clear with my who I'm scum reading/who I'm pressing so far in this game.  The only thing you can state that I wasn't clear on was my Athena read because I felt weird about their response to SB when I read their tone differently than they had stated.  My scum reads have not been blurred and have been very clear based on who I've voted.

    Also the way you word this entire paragraph here implies that I should be 100% set in my scum reads and I should already have more when it's barely even a day in the game phase.

    This is a scummy way to push me and isn't actually looking for scum intent. You are blatantly lying saying that my scum reads are blurred and further making it worse by stating at this point in time in the game I should already have a list of people who are scummy and a list of people who aren't.

    If you want some sort of 'list'.

    Randa > Refa since it's still not even 5 pages into the game as of yet.

    Like are you really serious with this mentality of a push on me?  Should I go grab the entire player list and already have some sort of read of every single player as of right now?  Cause you for sure don't either.  In fact this is fairly hypocritical because I don't think you've stated a scum read on ANYONE except for me at this point in time really.

    No. See that's the thing I can have a different opinion on whether or not your reads are clear than you do. It doesn't mean I 'm lying just means I don't think your reads were clear relative to each other. I'm not asking you to be 100% on your scum reads, I was asking for you to explain how your reads compare to each other in terms of confidence, which I don't think was particularly clear, which is why I have an issue. Imma read the rest of whats been posted rather than just skim and get back to you on the rest.

    29 minutes ago, athena_57 said:

    Really dislike Randa's catch-up post was only about defending themselves.

    Shinori's response is good imo, especially the calling out on hypocrisy part, which I agree with.

    Kill's post is good, Eury case is fine, though @Killthestory, did you get to my question yet? Your read appears to have evolved, but I'm curious:

    - Why did you think it was TvS at the time, who did you feel was more likely scum and why didn't you elaborate on this?

    - Why did you think it was SvS later on? I couldn't follow that at all

    To be fair most of what was posted while i slept was about me iirc.

    6 minutes ago, Refa said:

    Not sure about Randa though, I didn't read any of his posts.

    Sounds about right. I don't even blame you for it given some of the games I've played in with you. That being said tell me why I'm scum and not just me.

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    11 hours ago, Baldrick said:

    Elaborate.

     

    Randa, disregarding meta/posting style/etc., do you have any problem with the actual logic Shinori used to vote Refa, or to vote SB?

    I don't think I can disregard meta when talking about Shinori's logic. I think I mentioned it earlier but I have a friend I play mafia and secret hitler with IRL. Dude is super chill outside the game, bu when somebody new is playing with us he abuses the crap out of their inexperience and unfamiliarity with the system. Which is fine, but we all understand this and are able to differentiate the ways he picks new players apart. Anyways going back to Shinori's argument my experience tells me that a player does it consistently or not at all.

    11 hours ago, Killthestory said:

    ice sage eurykins and randa +however many wolves would be left is what i'm sitting at

     

    9 hours ago, Killthestory said:

    sheeping isn't the same as agreeing with someone. i agree with their read, but my reasons are my own. 

    can you elaborate on your reads or at the very least the reason for your reads. Like I got no issue if you have your own reason for scum reading me and aren't just sheeping shinori or baldrick, but I'd rather here what the reasons are.

    6 hours ago, SB. said:

    I'm iffy on Randa's Shinori vote (I don't think the reasoning is very strong) and I was sort of under the impression that he'd done more to figure things out beforehand but upon reexamination it looks more like justifying new stances than forward thinking. I thought the Shinori->Refa vote was odd at first too, but then I remembered that Shinori had made comments about Refa earlier and I think it's a little odd that Randa didn't catch that when he was apparently rereading. Does this skew your read on Shinori at all? I'm confused because it feels like you went horribly off-topic in your defence.

    I did catch that, acknowledge it and explained my problem with the vote regardless

    12 hours ago, Randa said:

    In terms of your content it's the same as what I outlined above, I don't really see where you get your meta on SB from. But I'm readin the lead up into your vote on Refa I just question why you don't give even a cursory explanation to why you vote Refa. Like I get that you explain this in one of your previous posts,  but your post talks about me, SB, and Athena and then you vote Refa. It make sure it difficult to read where your scum reads line up. 

    But to elaborate on this the problem I have is that the vote now blurs what Shinori's scum reads are. Like he's talking about other people and explaining his thoughts on them, but then doesn't really follow any of that up. Like even just giving a quick run down of who he thinks is scummiest, or saying where everybody lines up relative to other reads and it makes the whole thing seem forced to me. 

    3 hours ago, Bartozio said:

    Can you explain what you think your vote on SB accomplished again? Since I think he didn't post between you voting him and you saying your vote did it's work.

     

    17 hours ago, Randa said:

    Come on guys somethings got to happen it's day or the games gonna be boring as hell 1 I blame all of this on SB 

    ##Unvote

    ##Vote: SB

    Since people seem confused about this, I literally point out that nothing has happened at the point where I voted SB . The point of the vote is to try and make the game more active. I originally thought this was going to be by people discussing SB's questioning of Athena not actually leading to anything and whether people thought that was intentional, instead it wound up as people scum reading me, nothing unusual for me on any given day 1, and we actually have points to discuss. So yeah I think my vote accomplished its job.

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    Posted

    8 minutes ago, Eurykins said:

    1. Tired after getting off of work today.

    2. Was/am distracted by League of Legends earlier and now I'm on BDO to get some stuff done on it. Also, once again tired (literally was nodding off at the computer).

    3. Nothing really interesting was happening in-thread that really motivated me to take note of it, honestly. Anything that was of interested I've already noted/asked about, so.

    On a side note, while I will be around tomorrow morning/some of the early afternoon, the following will be affecting my schedule/activity in this thread for this day phase:

    > I work 3pm-12am (usually won't get out until 1am or so for post closing things) tomorrow night.

    > I also have a 7am opening shift the following morning (Sunday) that goes until 4-5pm.

    This is all CST. During these two lapses/shifts, I will probably not be able to be online much at all, if at all. 

    Like I said being passive is more of an issue going forward if it were to continue but that's something for future me to worry about.

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    3 hours ago, Randa said:

    @refa 

    heres the issue with everything right now man, up until now we haven't had basically anything to actually go off of for the first however many hours it's been. that's why I think SB asked what Athena thought, so he could have something to work off of.  so now as the rest of the players what we have to do is observe the reactions of everybody else to SB's actions. however for the first two hours you were the only person to respond and there wasn't anything to go off with your interactions. that's why I voted SB and I even mention in the post that nothing is happening. 

    As for what's happened since I think eury has a similar reaction that I did to SB's interaction where it doesn't say a lot. The problem is with shinroi's post. I'm not fully clear on everything that they are saying in their second post but I'm not a very smart man and I do need to reread it after I finish eating to get a Moreno clear opinion.

     

    3 hours ago, Randa said:

    Baldrick are we talking about the same thing at this point. We're talking about my reaction to SB's case, I have a non-reaction to the case I can see it coming from either alignment and from what I read it seems that eury has the same reaction. If I had a negative reaction to SB's case I would have supplied an actual explanation about my thoughts towards SB case instead of the nonesense I posted instead.

     

    SB I was talking about Shinori's post about you and Athena. It's mostly the second and third paragraphs that I question but as I said I need to reread to understand why I was confused and if there is even anything inherently scummy there.

     

    2 hours ago, Randa said:

    Nah my reaction to Shinori's case is more gut than anything else and I would say my vote on SB was more trying to get more activity, I wouldn't say a reaction test but it wouldn't be the least appropriate description I guess 

    These are all my posts about you before my post at the top of page 5. I really don't think I'm throwing a lot of shade at you in any of these,  I see two where I'm confused and need to reread and one where I'm saying my thoughts on you are mainly gut. I don't say if I think your scummy at any point, I say I have an issue but part of that might Be on my end and then that I need to reread to check for anything scummy. I really don't see where you're coming from when you're saying I'm throwing shade.

    Also I know literally nothing about Athena so how am I supposed to know their not new. I'm not doing that much research on every player. 

    Now to be completely off topic and talking about the egotistical thing. Yeah no I'm an egotist 100% I don't doubt myself and act with complete confidence. I love the spot light and never shy away from being The center of attention. That is I'm pretty sure the definition of an egotist. At the same time I'm realistic about my capabilities.  Compared to most of the people who play on this site I don't think I'm particularly smart, I don't think I'm particularly good at mafia, doesn't mean I'm going into a game lacking confidence in myself. I don't know my thoughts on myself tend to be complicated. Like don't get me wrong I love myself but I know as well as anybody else my flaws.

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    Posted

    7 minutes ago, Shinori said:

    I wouldn't classify Athena as 'new' So that's not really a valid argument

     

    He's throwing a lot of dirt around but doing actually nothing.  Any reason why your vote is still on SB?  I'm assuming you haven't read my most recent post, either that or you ignored my questions.

    Do you find me scummy? Do you find SB scummy?  You mentioned before you had a gut read on me whereas your vote on SB was literally just for activity's sake which I find bad.  You are also throwing a lot of dirt on me and yet still haven't placed a vote on me.

    I haven't played on SF in a fat minute so I have no idea who's new I just know you said they've only rolled mad, which either is horrible luck or their new. So given my perspective yes it is a valid argument.

    and again I literally said my actual content was going to come later. I was throwing dirt I was responding to baldrick in the vast majority of my posts. If you want to say it words without actions, I'd argue I wasn't saying that much (which again can be argued as white noise and would be a valid argument) but if I'm not saying anything substantial why should I be taking action. 

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    Posted

    1 hour ago, Shinori said:

    So you have a gut scum read on me but are only voting SB for 'activity purposes'?  Vote me then?  Why is your vote still on SB?  Wouldn't that be faking activity?  This is a weird thought process.

    Yeah it was more of a gut read I'd say. Problem is I don't think a gut read has a lot of weight at this time. And like I said I needed to actually read the thread to try and get a more clear opinion on people. And here's the thing if I plan to actually make content I see no reason to change my vote before I actually form a solid opinion, barring extenuating circumstances of course. 

    As for the last part that's not really faking activity, you can say it's faking content or creating a bunch of white noise but faking activity would more so be if I were trying to lurk without seeming like I'm lurking I guess, but I'm too egotistical too lurk tbh. 

    In terms of your content it's the same as what I outlined above, I don't really see where you get your meta on SB from. But I'm readin the lead up into your vote on Refa I just question why you don't give even a cursory explanation to why you vote Refa. Like I get that you explain this in one of your previous posts,  but your post talks about me, SB, and Athena and then you vote Refa. It make sure it difficult to read where your scum reads line up. 

    I feel like overall your content seems forced, like I get that ED1 cases are almost always forced or reaches but this just seems worse than what I'm used to. Like I can understand this coming from a newer town player, but I know you've actually played is I don't feel like I can excuse this as much.

    ## Unvote

    ##Vote Shinori 

    Also yeah my SB vote did its job pretty well I'd say considering the increase in activity and meaningful content since voting. 

     

    As for other people i think SB is probs town if only because of his response to Refa's dumb question in RVS. 

    I don't have any problems with baldrick  even if I don't completely agree with his reasoning I don't think he's done anything inherently scummy.

    Eury feels very passive early on and if that keeps up imma probably have an issue with it but at this'll point I ain't stressing over it and everybody else hasn't really been active enough for me to take note.

    Reason

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    Posted

    2 minutes ago, Baldrick said:

    Do you think SB could or would do that kind of thing? Do you think it's reasonable for Shinori to make that kind of argument?

    No I don't think SB would. I don't know if Shinor's argument makes meta sense though cause I haven't played on site in like 2 years, but going off of what I remember i don't particularly think it's a reasonable argument and seemed very forced IMO.

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    Posted

    2 hours ago, Shinori said:

    I could see you asking something be potentially of nothing serious because it was something over RVS.  

    Overall it feels oppurtunistic against someone that has only rolled scum so far and you are trying to make them start to panic with weak reasoning.

    The first part is the part I'm confused about, though I'm convinced it's just cause I'm an idiot. I just don't understand what your trying to say. Like I think you're saying that idiocy during RVS akin to my usual nonsense is non-indicative of alignment, but I don't know.

    I think the problem I have with this is more of a meta thing. I don't think I've seen anybody focus on taking advantage of a new player's relative inexperience to force the player to misplay. It honestly doesn't seem like something that anybody on this site would do, a couple I play with IRL sure wouldn't surprise me in the slightlest, but on this site I just don't think I've ever gotten the impression somebody would do that.

    17 minutes ago, Baldrick said:

    I still don't see how Athena couldn't be nervous as town, but I don't get the impression you're trying to make him panic.

    ##unvote

    ##vote: Randa

    In that case, I don't like how you voted him for pressure, and not giving an opinion on the votes that came after you.

    I don't believe you are trying to get more activity, just trying to give that impression. I don't see any effort to improve your reads.

    I mean did say I was going to eat and that in and of itself takes a while tbh.

    Just now, Killthestory said:

    i pave the path for a town hero to take the spotlight while i do the dirty work. 

    No.

     

    anyways I'm done with my pizza so I'm gone through the thread and read a bit.

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    Posted

    Baldrick are we talking about the same thing at this point. We're talking about my reaction to SB's case, I have a non-reaction to the case I can see it coming from either alignment and from what I read it seems that eury has the same reaction. If I had a negative reaction to SB's case I would have supplied an actual explanation about my thoughts towards SB case instead of the nonesense I posted instead.

     

    SB I was talking about Shinori's post about you and Athena. It's mostly the second and third paragraphs that I question but as I said I need to reread to understand why I was confused and if there is even anything inherently scummy there.

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    Posted

    @refa 

    heres the issue with everything right now man, up until now we haven't had basically anything to actually go off of for the first however many hours it's been. that's why I think SB asked what Athena thought, so he could have something to work off of.  so now as the rest of the players what we have to do is observe the reactions of everybody else to SB's actions. however for the first two hours you were the only person to respond and there wasn't anything to go off with your interactions. that's why I voted SB and I even mention in the post that nothing is happening. 

    As for what's happened since I think eury has a similar reaction that I did to SB's interaction where it doesn't say a lot. The problem is with shinroi's post. I'm not fully clear on everything that they are saying in their second post but I'm not a very smart man and I do need to reread it after I finish eating to get a Moreno clear opinion.

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    Posted

    7 minutes ago, Rapier said:

    Oh look, it's that time of the early phase where I have no idea what to do, so I just stare at the screen while casually drinking coffee and spouting random things that people will intentionally interpret in the worst possible meanings like mad literature teachers and turbolynch me D1. I know because it always happens.

    It's called timezones, bro

    Ha, only scum drinks coffee.

     

    ##Vote: Rapier

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