Unit Optimization Thread

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How's this from Invisible Kingdom.

Below, I list pairings, stat mods, classes that each party gets from marriage seal or inheritance, and brief comments. I'll put in a spoiler box (despite not being spoilers) to save room on the page.

1. Male Corrin x Hinoka!Matoi --> Hinoka!Matoi!Kanna

Mods depend on Corrin's asset and flaw: (+1 Str, +0 Mag, +2 Skl, +0 Spd, +0 Lck, +3 Def, +2 Res) + Corrin's Mods

Corrin: Nohr Prince, Secondary, Pegasus

Matoi: Pegasus, Samurai, Lance, Secondary

Kanna: Nohr Princess, Secondary, Pegasus

* Here Secondary means whatever Corrin chooses as his other class set at Avatar creation.

This is just personal "waifu" bias. Oh, and Corrin needs to marry 2nd gen or Kamuisexual to get all the children.

2. Ryouma x Rinkah --> Rinkah!Shinonome

+1 Str, +1 Mag, +1 Skl, +3 Spd, +2 Lck, +1 Def, -1 Res

Ryouma: Samurai, Pegasus, Oni

Rinkah: Oni, Ninja, Samurai

Shinonome: Lancer, Samurai, Oni

Ryouma-centric pairing: Blacksmith gives him Lancebreaker and can still use swords.

3. Takumi x Kazahana (Hana) --> Kazahana!Kisaragi

+3 Str, +1 Mag, +5 Skl, +1 Spd, +1 Lck, -2 Def, +0 Res

Takumi: Bowman, Lance, Samurai

Kazahana: Samurai, Priestess, Bowman

Kisaragi: Bowman, Lance, Samurai

Kisaragi gets nice skill and THREE S-rank classes available. Hana has War Priestess as an option, so she can now do that with Bowfaire too if she wants. Or just be a Holy Bowman instead.

4. Saizou x Kagerou ---> Kagerou!Gurei

+5 Str, +1 Mag, +3 Skl, -2 Spd, +1 Lck, +1 Def, +0 Res

Saizou: Ninja, Samurai, Spellcaster

Kagerou: Ninja, Spellcaster, Samurai

Gurei: Ninja, Samurai, Spellcaster

Pair -SPD couple together to contain their impact and get high STR. Gurei will be 32 STR and 33 SPD as a Ninja (instead of default 27 STR and 35 Spd). Kagerou gets Samurai, Saizou/Gurei get Breaking Sky.

5. Hinata x Pieri ---> Pieri!Hisame

+3 Str, +1 Mag, -1 Skl, +0 Spd, +1 Lck, +1 Def, +3 Res

Hinata: Samurai, Oni, Cavalier

Pieri: Cavalier, Dark Mage, Samurai

Hisame: Samurai, Oni, Cavalier

Hisame gets some resist from Pieri. Cavalier can use swords and sword faire. Pieri isn't as obviously crazy in this support.

6. Asama x Orochi --> Orochi!Mitama

+3 Str, +1 Mag, +3 Skl, +0 Spd, +0 Lck, +0 Def, +2 Res

Asama: Priest, Herb Merchant, Spellcaster

Orochi: Spellcaster, Herb Merchant, Priestess

Mitama: Prietess, Herb Merchant, Spellcaster

Mitama might actually be able to pull of magic well this time…. and I wanted to give Orochi to someone who was at least somewhat magical in their class options.

7. Tsubaki x Hinoka --> Hinoka!Matoi

+1 Str, +0 Mag, +2 Skl, +0 Spd, +0 Lck, +3 Def, +2 Res

Tsubaki: Pegasus, Samurai, Lance

Hinoka: Pegasus, Lance, Samurai

Matoi: Pegasus, Samurai, Lance

Lancefaire, Holy Lancer, and Basara for Matoi. Dragon's Vein and High Growths.

8. Kaze x Mozume --> Mozume!Midoriko

-1 Str, +1 Mag, +4 Skl, +5 Spd, +0 Lck, +0 Def, +0 Res

Kaze: Ninja, Samurai, Bowman

Mozume: Villager, Bowman, Ninja

Midoriko: Herb Merchant, Samurai, Villager

Overcome Kaze's -LCK mod for Midoriko's LCK abilites.

9. Jakob x Azura ---> Jakob!Shigure and Azura!Deere/Dia

+3 Str, -1 Mag, +4 Skl, +4 Spd, +0 Lck, -2 Def, +0 Res

Jakob: Rod Knight, Cavalier, Pegasus

Azura: Singer, Pegasus, Rod Knight

Shigure: Pegasus, Rod Knight, Wyvern

Deere: Rod Knight, Cavalier, Pegasus

Pegasus/Rod Combo is nice for both support or anti-mage. Shigure is a rallier.

10. Silas x Oboro ---> Oboro!Sophie

+3 Str, +0 Mag, +4 Skl, +2 Spd, -1 Lck, +2 Def, -1 Res

Silas: Cavalier, Mercenary, Lance

Oboro: Lance, Herb Merchant, Cavalier

Sophie: Cavalier, Mercenary, Lance

Cavalier + Lance are compatible. Kind of the same basic idea with the Cavalier + Sword from Hinata x Pieri.

11. Nishiki x Felicia --> Felicia!Kinu

+0 Str, +3 Mag, -2 Skl, +4 Spd, +2 Lck, -2 Def, +4 Res

Nishiki: Fox, Spellcaster, Rod Knight

Felicia: Rod Knight, Mercenary, Spellcaster

Kinu: Fox, Spellcaster, Rod Knight

Felicia benefits from being able to pick up Tomefaire from Nishiki's Spellcaster -> Exorcist

12. Tsukuyomi x Nyx --> Nyx!Syalla

+1 Str, +5 Mag, -2 Skl, +5 Spd, +1 Lck, -2 Def, +1 Res

Tsukuyomi: Spellcaster, Oni, Dark Mage

Nyx: Dark Mage, Outlaw, Spellcaster

Syalla: Spellcaster, Oni, Dark Mage

Dark Mage Tharja… oh, I mean Syalla

13. Benoit x Belka --> Belka!Ignis

+0 Str, +1 Mag, +3 Skl, -4 Spd, +1 Lck, +6 Def, +1 Res

Benoit: Knight, Fighter, Wyvern

Belka: Wyvern, Fighter, Knight

Ignis: Knight, Fighter, Wyvern

Putting -SPD parents together to avoid hurting other kids. Also, Benoit lets them all learn Defensive formation anyways, so Ignis will get Defensive Formation access and +6 Def. Oh, and Wyvern, Fighter, and Knight's General all mesh together in axe use.

14. Flannel x Camilla --> Camilla!Velour

+5 Str, +0 Mag, +0 Skl, +1 Spd, -1 Lck, +4 Def, +0 Res

Flannel: Garou, Fighter, Wyvern

Camilla: Wyvern, Dark Mage, Fighter

Velour: Garou, Fighter, Wyvern

Camilla gains access to Axefaire for her Wyvern classes (and her new Fighter classes). Flannel and Velour get access to Four Fangs + Deadly Breath .

15. Xander x Charlotte --> Charlotte!Seigbert

+6 Str, +0 Mag, +0 Skl, +2 Spd, +3 Lck, +0 Def, -3 Res

Xander: Cavalier, Wyvern, Fighter

Charlotte: Fighter, Rod Knight, Cavalier

Seigbert: Cavalier, Wyvern, Fighter

Xander gains access to Fighter, which gives Hero: HP+5, Sol, and Axebreaker for Xander's somewhat tanky role. Charlotte gets Luna. Seigbert gets huge strength.

16. Leo x Sakura --> Sakura!Foleo

-1 Str, +5 Mag, +0 Skl, +0 Spd, +1 Lck, +0 Def, +3 Res

Leo: Dark Mage, Rod Knight, Priest

Sakura: Priestess, Pegasus, Dark Mage

Foleo: Rod Knight, Dark Mage, Priest

The all get magical classes (Leo and Foleo gain Tomefaire, Sakura can be a Dark Mage if she wants)

17. Zero x Setsuna --> Setsuna!Eponine

-1 Str, +1 Mag, +1 Skl, +7 Spd, +0 Lck, +0 Def, +1 Res

Zero: Outlaw, Dark Mage, Bowman

Setsuna: Bowman, Ninja, Outlaw

Eponine: Outlaw, Dark Mage, Bowman

Extremely fast Eponine…. all of them can use bows and Bowfaire works with both Bowman and Outlaw.

18. Odin x Elise --> Elise!Ophelia

+0 Str, +5 Mag, +0 Skl, +1 Spd, +3 Lck, -2 Def, +1 Res

Odin: Dark Mage, Samurai, Rod Knight

Elise: Rod Knight, Wyvern, Dark Mage

Ophelia: Dark Mage, Samurai, Rod Knight

Magical Ophelia (who also has some resemblance to Lissa). All get new mage classes (Rod Knight for supportive options on Odin/Ophelia, Dark Mage for offensive Elise option.)

19. Arthur x Effie --> Effie!Lutz

+5 Str, +1 Mag, +3 Skl, +2 Spd, -2 Lck, +1 Def, -1 Res

Arthur: Fighter, Cavalier, Knight

Effie: Knight, Rod Knight, Fighter

Lutz: Wyvern, Fighter, Knight

Effie gets Berserker (from Fighter) to abuse Super Strength. Arthur doesn't need to worry about passing down Luna to Lutz because he'll get that from his mother now anyways, which lets Arthur pass down something else if he wants (or just a skill that's convenient). Beserkerer + Luna combos. Even without Berserker, Arthur gives skill and strength in pair-up.

20. Lazward x Luna --> Luna!Soleil

+1 Str, +1 Mag, +2 Skl, +2 Spd, +2 Lck, +1 Def, +0 Res

Lazward: Mercenary, Ninja, Pegasus

Luna: Mercenary, Pegasus, Ninja

Soleil: Mercenary, Ninja, Pegasus

Actual spoiler

Inigo x Severa!

Lazward gets Rally Speed access, which may stack with his Azure Dance… oh, and he can support A+ with Flannel to also get Rally Strength. More Swallow Strike availability (now for Lazward and Soleil too).

[GoXDS]

How's this from Invisible Kingdom.

Below, I list pairings, stat mods, classes that each party gets from marriage seal or inheritance, and brief comments. I'll put in a spoiler box (despite not being spoilers) to save room on the page.

1. Male Corrin x Hinoka!Matoi --> Hinoka!Matoi!Kanna

Mods depend on Corrin's asset and flaw: (+1 Str, +0 Mag, +2 Skl, +0 Spd, +0 Lck, +3 Def, +2 Res) + Corrin's Mods

Corrin: Nohr Prince, Secondary, Pegasus

Matoi: Pegasus, Samurai, Lance, Secondary

Kanna: Nohr Princess, Secondary, Pegasus

* Here Secondary means whatever Corrin chooses as his other class set at Avatar creation.

This is just personal "waifu" bias. Oh, and Corrin needs to marry 2nd gen or Kamuisexual to get all the children.

2. Ryouma x Rinkah --> Rinkah!Shinonome

+1 Str, +1 Mag, +1 Skl, +3 Spd, +2 Lck, +1 Def, -1 Res

Ryouma: Samurai, Pegasus, Oni

Rinkah: Oni, Ninja, Samurai

Shinonome: Lancer, Samurai, Oni

Ryouma-centric pairing: Blacksmith gives him Lancebreaker and can still use swords.

3. Takumi x Kazahana (Hana) --> Kazahana!Kisaragi

+3 Str, +1 Mag, +5 Skl, +1 Spd, +1 Lck, -2 Def, +0 Res

Takumi: Bowman, Lance, Samurai

Kazahana: Samurai, Priestess, Bowman

Kisaragi: Bowman, Lance, Samurai

Kisaragi gets nice skill and THREE S-rank classes available. Hana has War Priestess as an option, so she can now do that with Bowfaire too if she wants. Or just be a Holy Bowman instead.

4. Saizou x Kagerou ---> Kagerou!Gurei

+5 Str, +1 Mag, +3 Skl, -2 Spd, +1 Lck, +1 Def, +0 Res

Saizou: Ninja, Samurai, Spellcaster

Kagerou: Ninja, Spellcaster, Samurai

Gurei: Ninja, Samurai, Spellcaster

Pair -SPD couple together to contain their impact and get high STR. Gurei will be 32 STR and 33 SPD as a Ninja (instead of default 27 STR and 35 Spd). Kagerou gets Samurai, Saizou/Gurei get Breaking Sky.

5. Hinata x Pieri ---> Pieri!Hisame

+3 Str, +1 Mag, -1 Skl, +0 Spd, +1 Lck, +1 Def, +3 Res

Hinata: Samurai, Oni, Cavalier

Pieri: Cavalier, Dark Mage, Samurai

Hisame: Samurai, Oni, Cavalier

Hisame gets some resist from Pieri. Cavalier can use swords and sword faire. Pieri isn't as obviously crazy in this support.

6. Asama x Orochi --> Orochi!Mitama

+3 Str, +1 Mag, +3 Skl, +0 Spd, +0 Lck, +0 Def, +2 Res

Asama: Priest, Herb Merchant, Spellcaster

Orochi: Spellcaster, Herb Merchant, Priestess

Mitama: Prietess, Herb Merchant, Spellcaster

Mitama might actually be able to pull of magic well this time…. and I wanted to give Orochi to someone who was at least somewhat magical in their class options.

7. Tsubaki x Hinoka --> Hinoka!Matoi

+1 Str, +0 Mag, +2 Skl, +0 Spd, +0 Lck, +3 Def, +2 Res

Tsubaki: Pegasus, Samurai, Lance

Hinoka: Pegasus, Lance, Samurai

Matoi: Pegasus, Samurai, Lance

Lancefaire, Holy Lancer, and Basara for Matoi. Dragon's Vein and High Growths.

8. Kaze x Mozume --> Mozume!Midoriko

-1 Str, +1 Mag, +4 Skl, +5 Spd, +0 Lck, +0 Def, +0 Res

Kaze: Ninja, Samurai, Bowman

Mozume: Villager, Bowman, Ninja

Midoriko: Herb Merchant, Samurai, Villager

Overcome Kaze's -LCK mod for Midoriko's LCK abilites.

9. Jakob x Azura ---> Jakob!Shigure and Azura!Deere/Dia

+3 Str, -1 Mag, +4 Skl, +4 Spd, +0 Lck, -2 Def, +0 Res

Jakob: Rod Knight, Cavalier, Pegasus

Azura: Singer, Pegasus, Rod Knight

Shigure: Pegasus, Rod Knight, Wyvern

Deere: Rod Knight, Cavalier, Pegasus

Pegasus/Rod Combo is nice for both support or anti-mage. Shigure is a rallier.

10. Silas x Oboro ---> Oboro!Sophie

+3 Str, +0 Mag, +4 Skl, +2 Spd, -1 Lck, +2 Def, -1 Res

Silas: Cavalier, Mercenary, Lance

Oboro: Lance, Herb Merchant, Cavalier

Sophie: Cavalier, Mercenary, Lance

Cavalier + Lance are compatible. Kind of the same basic idea with the Cavalier + Sword from Hinata x Pieri.

11. Nishiki x Felicia --> Felicia!Kinu

+0 Str, +3 Mag, -2 Skl, +4 Spd, +2 Lck, -2 Def, +4 Res

Nishiki: Fox, Spellcaster, Rod Knight

Felicia: Rod Knight, Mercenary, Spellcaster

Kinu: Fox, Spellcaster, Rod Knight

Felicia benefits from being able to pick up Tomefaire from Nishiki's Spellcaster -> Exorcist

12. Tsukuyomi x Nyx --> Nyx!Syalla

+1 Str, +5 Mag, -2 Skl, +5 Spd, +1 Lck, -2 Def, +1 Res

Tsukuyomi: Spellcaster, Oni, Dark Mage

Nyx: Dark Mage, Outlaw, Spellcaster

Syalla: Spellcaster, Oni, Dark Mage

Dark Mage Tharja… oh, I mean Syalla

13. Benoit x Belka --> Belka!Ignis

+0 Str, +1 Mag, +3 Skl, -4 Spd, +1 Lck, +6 Def, +1 Res

Benoit: Knight, Fighter, Wyvern

Belka: Wyvern, Fighter, Knight

Ignis: Knight, Fighter, Wyvern

Putting -SPD parents together to avoid hurting other kids. Also, Benoit lets them all learn Defensive formation anyways, so Ignis will get Defensive Formation access and +6 Def. Oh, and Wyvern, Fighter, and Knight's General all mesh together in axe use.

14. Flannel x Camilla --> Camilla!Velour

+5 Str, +0 Mag, +0 Skl, +1 Spd, -1 Lck, +4 Def, +0 Res

Flannel: Garou, Fighter, Wyvern

Camilla: Wyvern, Dark Mage, Fighter

Velour: Garou, Fighter, Wyvern

Camilla gains access to Axefaire for her Wyvern classes (and her new Fighter classes). Flannel and Velour get access to Four Fangs + Deadly Breath .

15. Xander x Charlotte --> Charlotte!Seigbert

+6 Str, +0 Mag, +0 Skl, +2 Spd, +3 Lck, +0 Def, -3 Res

Xander: Cavalier, Wyvern, Fighter

Charlotte: Fighter, Rod Knight, Cavalier

Seigbert: Cavalier, Wyvern, Fighter

Xander gains access to Fighter, which gives Hero: HP+5, Sol, and Axebreaker for Xander's somewhat tanky role. Charlotte gets Luna. Seigbert gets huge strength.

16. Leo x Sakura --> Sakura!Foleo

-1 Str, +5 Mag, +0 Skl, +0 Spd, +1 Lck, +0 Def, +3 Res

Leo: Dark Mage, Rod Knight, Priest

Sakura: Priestess, Pegasus, Dark Mage

Foleo: Rod Knight, Dark Mage, Priest

The all get magical classes (Leo and Foleo gain Tomefaire, Sakura can be a Dark Mage if she wants)

17. Zero x Setsuna --> Setsuna!Eponine

-1 Str, +1 Mag, +1 Skl, +7 Spd, +0 Lck, +0 Def, +1 Res

Zero: Outlaw, Dark Mage, Bowman

Setsuna: Bowman, Ninja, Outlaw

Eponine: Outlaw, Dark Mage, Bowman

Extremely fast Eponine…. all of them can use bows and Bowfaire works with both Bowman and Outlaw.

18. Odin x Elise --> Elise!Ophelia

+0 Str, +5 Mag, +0 Skl, +1 Spd, +3 Lck, -2 Def, +1 Res

Odin: Dark Mage, Samurai, Rod Knight

Elise: Rod Knight, Wyvern, Dark Mage

Ophelia: Dark Mage, Samurai, Rod Knight

Magical Ophelia (who also has some resemblance to Lissa). All get new mage classes (Rod Knight for supportive options on Odin/Ophelia, Dark Mage for offensive Elise option.)

19. Arthur x Effie --> Effie!Lutz

+5 Str, +1 Mag, +3 Skl, +2 Spd, -2 Lck, +1 Def, -1 Res

Arthur: Fighter, Cavalier, Knight

Effie: Knight, Rod Knight, Fighter

Lutz: Wyvern, Fighter, Knight

Effie gets Berserker (from Fighter) to abuse Super Strength. Arthur doesn't need to worry about passing down Luna to Lutz because he'll get that from his mother now anyways, which lets Arthur pass down something else if he wants (or just a skill that's convenient). Beserkerer + Luna combos. Even without Berserker, Arthur gives skill and strength in pair-up.

20. Lazward x Luna --> Luna!Soleil

+1 Str, +1 Mag, +2 Skl, +2 Spd, +2 Lck, +1 Def, +0 Res

Lazward: Mercenary, Ninja, Pegasus

Luna: Mercenary, Pegasus, Ninja

Soleil: Mercenary, Ninja, Pegasus

Actual spoiler

Inigo x Severa!

Lazward gets Rally Speed access, which may stack with his Azure Dance… oh, and he can support A+ with Flannel to also get Rally Strength. More Swallow Strike availability (now for Lazward and Soleil too).

I only commented on unfulfilled pairings last time (seems like you used the pairings I suggested +swap Mozume and Felicia) so you should know my comments for those already.

for the other pairings and swaps

Kamui x Hinoka!Matoi

really depends on your Asset/Flaw and secondary but it's all good. I personally go for +Spd so while I might've liked to do this pairing myself, Kanna comes out good but not stellar (why my Subaki's Spd such so much). very balanced but no exaggerated stats like +7 Spd

Ryouma x Rinkah

approved. your reasoning from last time was fine

Takumi x Hana

oh, you swapped out Camilla. hmm versatility is good plus FlannelxCamilla for MORE -40% HP goodness

Hinata x Pieri

to add on, does slightly patch up Hisame's Spd, too since Pieri's one of the +1 Spd mothers

Subaki x Hinoka

self explanatory

Kaze x Mozume

Aptitude would also work wonders for her since it'll mean even more Luc. Mozume could also pass down Bowfaire or other Bowman skill for Midoriko's Merchant? see Nishiki x Felicia though

Jakob x Azura

Rally Bots galore! though part of me really, really wants to stack up the +Spd mods with someone else but that's just me.

Silas x Oboro

agree with your reasoning

Nishiki x Felicia

eh, I probably like Nishiki x Mozume better. Nishiki doesn't benefit a great deal and neither does Kinu. both like Str a tad bit more, especially if you want them in their base class. Kaze x Felicia is -1 Luc but 1% difference is barely anything. the other factor is Felicia's 55 Luc growth to Mozume's 45 Luc growth + Aptitude, so (assuming (mother+child)/2) 5% in Mozume's favor, but that's only ~1.45 Luc by 20/20. Felicia is also one of the weaker units so she's better suited for support and thus doesn't really care too much for gaining Tomefaire. she can stil get Kunaifaire from Kaze and Cloning's always nice

Tsukuyomi x Nyx

pairing the magic users is just nice. though lol the kid with the deceptively old woman. Sorc does have +5 Dodge so the Luc issue isn't that big a deal.

Flannel x Camilla

even more -40% HP~

Leo x Sakura

everyone synergizes well with Skills being passed around

Zero x Setsuna

something like this is what I wanted with +7 Spd ^^

Odin x Elise

like Hinoka!Matoi (not quite the right shade but w/e), blonde Ophelia like Lissa *approve*. and again, magic together.

[Thor Odinson]

For what it's worth, Mozume is a packaged deal of Line of Death x Extravagance and best used on someone who don't naturally have at least one if not both. Due to being able to inherit a skill from Suzukaze, Midoriko can access the LoD/Extravagance combo without depending on a mother or any of her own partners. So Mozume's probably better used elsewhere.

A few single-points of luck isn't going to make a huge difference on activation, esp since Midoriko's skill is flat activation rate addition.

Edited September 2, 2015 by Thor Odinson

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Well, that's a fair point about Mozume x Kaze and Nishiki x Felica.

For Felicia I was basically reasoning that she has a stronger magic growth than her strength growth (35% vs. 10%, so neither is impressive, but magic is far better growth for her than strength nonetheless). Maid gets 10 and 10, so 45% vs. 20%. Hero gives 0 and 15 (35% magic, 25% Strength), Bow Knight is 35% magic, 20% strength). Strategist gives her 15% magic growth, so that would give her her best offenses while still retaining the ability to use staves.

But then again, de-buff utility is another consideration…

Now that I think about it, I now remember that Mozume x Nishiki had been considered last time because of Basara access for Mozume. That's something to consider, for breaking sky usage.

Of course, Felicia!Midoriko would have had a -3 Str modifier, so that would really mess around with Midoriko's strength growth, and she doesn't have good magic growth.

Then again, giving Felicia to Kinu messes with Kinu's strength growth, so yes, you're right, that's kind of problematic….. she does get a good resistance modifier, that said.

Basically, Felicia seems a bit toxic to builds, in that she brings down very low STR and lowish magic for a magical character .

And yes, Kuanifaire on Felicia would let her do physical damage a bit better…. she's still destined in the end to favor magical damage output due to her mods, that said…

[GoXDS]

Well, that's a fair point about Mozume x Kaze and Nishiki x Felica.

For Felicia I was basically reasoning that she has a stronger magic growth than her strength growth (35% vs. 10%, so neither is impressive, but magic is far better growth for her than strength nonetheless). Maid gets 10 and 10, so 45% vs. 20%. Hero gives 0 and 15 (35% magic, 25% Strength), Bow Knight is 35% magic, 20% strength). Strategist gives her 15% magic growth, so that would give her her best offenses while still retaining the ability to use staves.

But then again, de-buff utility is another consideration…

Now that I think about it, I now remember that Mozume x Nishiki had been considered last time because of Basara access for Mozume. That's something to consider, for breaking sky usage.

Of course, Felicia!Midoriko would have had a -3 Str modifier, so that would really mess around with Midoriko's strength growth, and she doesn't have good magic growth.

Then again, giving Felicia to Kinu messes with Kinu's strength growth, so yes, you're right, that's kind of problematic….. she does get a good resistance modifier, that said.

Basically, Felicia seems a bit toxic to builds, in that she brings down very low STR and lowish magic for a magical character .

And yes, Kuanifaire on Felicia would let her do physical damage a bit better…. she's still destined in the end to favor magical damage output due to her mods, that said…

yes, Felicia favors Mag but even then she's below average thus I say you shouldn't need to worry about it. was just throwing in Kunaifaire as a mirror to Tomefaire (and use Explosive Shuriken). but yea, forgot about Mag growths. Kaze's -Str mods don't help though =\ Kaze doesn't really gain anything useful from Rod Knight either (maybe Prescient Victory from Mozume's Bowman but eh).

I'd say the exchange is worth it though. Midoriko was from the offset a little gimped by her father's mods/growths, good in neither Str at cap nor Mag while lvling. might as well min/max. as Thor mentioned, keep LoD+Extravagance elsewhere and keep Kinu's Str high. and Midoriko can get that combo by herself anyways to patch up her dmg

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Well, let's see the exchanges effect:

Felicia!Midoriko

-3 Str, +3 Mag, +3 Skl, +5 Spd, -1 Lck, -1 Def, +1 Res

Kaze: Ninja, Samurai, Rod Knight

Felicia: Rod Knight, Mercenary, Ninja

Midoriko: Herb Merchant, Ninja, Rod Knight

Rod Knight can become Butler/Maid.

Felicia gains access to Snake Venom and Kunai Faire. Kaze can use his Kunai as a Butler with staff utility. Midoriko's STR mod is really hurt and gets a +3 magic mod that she'll have trouble using.

Mozume!Kinu

+2 Str, +1 Mag, -1 Skl, +4 Spd, +3 Lck, -1 Def, +1 Res

Nishiki: Fox, Spellcaster, Bowman

Mozume: Villager, Bowman, Spellcaster

Kinu: Fox, Spellcaster, Villager

Spellcaster gives Basara. Villager gives Weapons Master and Great Merchant.

So this lets Mozume exploit Basara and Kinu gets better strength.

Basically, if these pairings Nishiki and Kaze with Felicia and Mozume are the only ones left, regardless of what I do someone gets the short end of the stick on STR due to Felicia.

Compare against

8. Kaze x Mozume --> Mozume!Midoriko

-1 Str, +1 Mag, +4 Skl, +5 Spd, +0 Lck, +0 Def, +0 Res

Kaze: Ninja, Samurai, Bowman

Mozume: Villager, Bowman, Ninja

Midoriko: Herb Merchant, Samurai, Villager

Mozume could hypothetically pass down Bowfaire to Midoriko, relevant as Great Merchant is a bow-usign class. Midorko has a STR that isn't as badly hurt mod wise and Aptitude to help its growth. Kaze could go into the Puppeteer class and gain access to both relevant faire (Bowfaire and Kunaifaire). Same with Mozume.

11. Nishiki x Felicia --> Felicia!Kinu

+0 Str, +3 Mag, -2 Skl, +4 Spd, +2 Lck, -2 Def, +4 Res

Nishiki: Fox, Spellcaster, Rod Knight

Felicia: Rod Knight, Mercenary, Spellcaster

Kinu: Fox, Spellcaster, Rod Knight

But Kinu suffers in STR and gets a +MAG mod she doesn't really need. Nice resistance and speed. Notably, Nine Tail Fox gets 34 RES normally, so this would bring her up to 38 in her starting tree, promoted.

She could still chip with four-fangs. Her Strength growth would be 20% if its (child+variable parent)/2, so comparable to Setsuna, although her class growth would be less than hers. Of course, Setsuna is known for low STR, so this might be an issue. But like how Setsuna gets effective damage against fliers, Kinu gets effective damage vs. beasts (such as cavalry).

No Maid + Ninja combo here (except through marrying Kinu to someone).

As an aside, Nishiki's Gratitude is somewhat like a half Servant's Joy effect on whomever hals him… so Felicia, as a healer, would get a little extra healing herself whenever she healed him, perhaps stacking with her own Servant's Joy.

EDIT:

Oh, the user Ebony when ahead and in his great generosity made a image of my pairings (following up from a conversation resulting form a question I asked in a thread on Serenes). This image reflects the ones I proposed earlier tonight, before we started the Felicia vs. Mozume discussion for Kinu and Midoriko.

Its quite nice to get an idea of how the characters would look from these pairings.

http://i.imgur.com/u2ouEgH.jpg

ADDENDUM:

Whom do you think I should use to complete the skillsets via buddy sealing for the 1st gen couples as well as buddy sealing + marriage for the second gen couples?

ADDENDUM: Some of my provisional thoughts on the matter, working from my prior pairing lists. I haven't given all that much thought to some of these yet. I'm trying to avoid assuming too much in the way of inheriting skills from one parent's buddy onto the kid as that may require delaying getting the kids for a long time or be just generally inconvenient.

EDIT: Oh, I've ran out of time for this: I'll need to resume later, so I only listed it for three characters so far….

Corrin x Matoi + Any Male: Corrin can get any number of buddy seals at A-rank with the same gender, so he works differently:

Hinoka!Matoi x Corrin + Sophie: Matoi can use either of her weapon-faires (swordfaire, lancefaire) as a Cavalier/Paladin/Great Knight. Also helps fill out her strike options (Swallow, Flowing, Diamond, Mirror) and gives her another damage booster (Open Assault).

Hinoka!Matoi!Kanna x Hisame + Mitama: Swordfaire benefits Kanna's A-rank sword options in either White Blood/Dark Blood, for when she isn't using her Dragonstone. It also works for Levin Swords. Astra helps out for Guard Stance shield-gauge building and can either be used by Kanna herself or Hisame in pair-up. Mitama gives Renewal to combo with Dragon's Child.

Edited September 2, 2015 by astrophys

[BurningCandy]

How would a Knight/General Subaki fare? Bolded skills are skills which I know can go on Subaki.

Tsubaki

Married: F-Kamui (secondary picked as Knight, +Str -Res)

Buddied: Asama? Maybe?

- Lancefaire (dmg bonus when using lances)

- Swallow Strike (helps low Speed)

- Vantage (?) or maybe Sol?

- Renewal (?)

- Not sure what to put here. I'm still a noob. Astra?

Edited September 2, 2015 by BurningCandy

[astrophys]

General!Tsubaki, Max Stats:

70 HP, 37 STR (38-1), 25 MAG, 34 SKL (32+2), 23 SPD (25-2), 31 LCK (32-1), 43 DEF (40+3), 29 RES (30-1); A rank Lances, B rank axes

Growths (Personal + General):

80% HP, 50% STR, 20% Mag, 65% Skl, 20% Spd, 35% Lck, 65% Def, 10% Res

So, Swallow Strike might not work on a General Tsubaki as it has such low SPD (both in caps and growths)… at least his Falcon Warrior gets up to 32 SPD (34 -2) and has 35% growths in speed (personal + Falcon Warrior), so its more feasible there.

How about:

Lancefaire

Defensive Formation

Astra (five hits in Guard Stance --> fully charged Shield Gauge and thus a free Dual Guard charge)

Free

Free

For free slots you could do stuff like Pavise, Defense +2, Confined Defense, Mirror Strike + Diamond Strike if you want him attack on player phase, etc.

ADDENDUM:

On an unrelated note, going back to my earlier discussion of whom Felicia should be paired with, another consideration is that she is a Tomebreaker source (Butler/Maid, level 15). So she could be used to take a unit with pre-existing anti-mage leanings and make them even more effective at that purpose (by giving them crazy evasion against tomes).

Mozume is better for both kid's resistance due to aptitude, but if trying to craft a kid into a mage-killer (when maxed out, although admittedly you'd have already finished the story by then) then caps and Tomebreaker might be more useful for that in the end….

Mozume passes down a -2 RES mod and Felicia gives a +1 Res mod, so the same kid mothered by them will different in RES by three between versions.

Now, both Kaze and Nishiki have anti-mage leanings… Nishiki's personal growth and class does have higher RES growth…. so Rod Knight COULD offer them something when maxing out, namely Tomebreaker to supplement this role.

Edited September 2, 2015 by astrophys

[Wayward Alchemist]

He can also buddy Asama for Renewal and Magic Counter if he wanted.

[Duke of Dozel]

I just realized how broken an Awakening (skill) combo can be with vantage.

Seeing as how women can be a great lord, I can imagine a beautiful way to make Crimson the most crit happy character.

[astrophys]

Well, yes, but

only on the Hoshido path or for two chapters on the Invisible path, or as an einherjar

.

Basically, any woman who gets Samurai is already a decent candidate due to Vantage + Awakening. Astra and Swordfaire also help (Great Lord has A rank swords).

Any woman who gets both Samurai AND Lance Fighter is in an even better position, as now she gets the -faires for both her weapon options in the class, depending on which one she wants to use, sword or lance.

I'm thinking of using Hinoka!Matoi for it myself.

[Duke of Dozel]

Yes but her personal skill ups her crit rate by 30 when on low health. She'll have 60 base crit, and that's not counting a weapon's crit rate or her skill stat.

[astrophys]

Of course… although she [Crimson] must be at 25% health or less to get that.

Also, a Vantage + Awakening combo can only exist on Crimson, to my knowledge, if you have the Avatar marry her.

[Duke of Dozel]

You can buddy her too.

[GoXDS]

You can buddy her too.

to my knowledge, no one can Buddy Kamui so only way to get Kamui's Secondary is by marriage/inheritance

[Dollysama]

You can buddy her too.

Nobody can use buddy seal with Kamui, and Crimson can't use a buddy seal with anybody. The only way to give her Samurai is to have a male avatar with samurai alt. marry her.

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What would be a good skill set for a +str/-mag Femui! Soleil @ Brave Hero in Nohr? I'm stuck on which skills I should give her, although I'm considering passing down a Hoshidan skill such as Renewal or Breaking Sky.

[Wayward Alchemist]

Once Proximity Shot is released....

Charlotte!Modoriko (Max Str/Min Defs)@Holy Bowman (Marriage to Kisaragi)

-Proximity Shot

-Vantage (Kaze passes Samurai)

-Vengance (A+ Ophelia)

-Awakening

-Flamboyant (Logbook A+ Kinu)

Pair up with daddy-o for Kaze's Miracle and you have a good ol' fashioned FE13 style VV tank. However, Rally Luck or a Luck Pair Up might be appreciated, as she only has 64% for Kaze's Miracle. Equip her with Anna's Lucky Bow and you should be good.

[Tactless Tactician]

Up for another round of (Third Route) Rate the Pairings, anyone? For clarification, I'm not adverse to purchasing skills, so I'm mostly focused on unit mods and class distribution.

[spoiler=Mostly-Solidified Pairings]

Kaze x Mozume --> Mozume!Midoriko

-1 Str, +1 Mag, +4 Skl, +5 Spd, +0 Lck, +0 Def, +0 Res

Kaze: Ninja, Samurai, Bowman (A+ Silas for Cavalier, passes Astra)

Mozume: Villager, Bowman, Ninja (A+ Oboro for Lance Fighter, passes Lancefaire)

Midoriko: Herb Merchant, Samurai, Villager (A+ Kinu for Spellcaster, S-Rank Siegbert for Cavalier)

Mitigates Midoriko's luck mod while possessing great skill and speed. Alternatively, Elise would suffice for a magic Midoriko considering Kaze's -2 Str mod.

Jakob x Azura --> Jakob!Shigure, Azura!Deere

+3 Str, -1 Mag, +4 Skl, +4 Spd, +0 Lck, -2 Def, +0 Res

Jakob: Rod Knight, Cavalier, Pegasus Warrior (A+ Tsukuyomi for Spellcaster, passes Breaking Sky)

Azura: Singer, Pegasus Warrior, Rod Knight (A+ Sakura for Priestess (only real option), passes ???)

Shigure: Pegasus Warrior, Rod Knight, Wyvern Rider (A+ Hisame for Samurai, S-Rank Syalla for Spellcaster)

Deere: Rod Knight, Cavalier, Pegasus Warrior (A+ Gurei for Ninja, S-Rank Velour for Fighter)

Shigure gets inherent access to Rally Speed, Rally Defense, and Rally Resistance from his base classes, and Rally Magic through his S-rank.

Deere can take advantage of his Cavalier and Pegasus class options for Diamond Strike+Mirror Strike tanking. And I've heard he might make a decent Berserker too.

Either (or Jakob) can function as an anti-Mage with Tomebreaker and Mirror Strike.

Silas x Hinoka --> Hinoka!Sophie

+3 Str, +0 Mag, +2 Skl, +2 Spd, +0 Lck, +0 Def, -1 Res

Silas: Cavalier, Mercenary, Lance Fighter (A+ Ryoma for Samurai, passes Line of Death)

Hinoka: Pegasus Warrior, Lance Fighter, Cavalier (A+ Camilla for Wyvern Rider, passes Swordbreaker)

Sophie: Cavalier, Mercenary, Pegasus Warrior (A+ Velour for Fighter, S-Rank Shinonome for Lance Fighter)

Mods aren't anything spectacular, but they are decent. She still gets Lance Fighter in the end, through her S-support and only suffers from overlap between her innate Mercenary and Fighter A+ support.

Xander x Charlotte --> Charlotte!Seigbert

+6 Str, +0 Mag, +0 Skl, +2 Spd, +3 Lck, +0 Def, -3 Res

Xander: Cavalier, Wyvern Rider, Fighter (A+ Ryoma for Samurai, passes Swordfaire/Line of Death)

Charlotte: Fighter, Rod Knight, Cavalier (A+ Rinkah for Oni Savage, passes Ogre Strike)

Siegbert: Cavalier, Wyvern Rider, Fighter (A+ Shinonome for Lance Fighter, S-Rank Midoriko for Herb Merchant)

With this setup, Xander can function as a tanky Swordfaire-Hero with Siegfried, Charlotte can improve her crit-stacking potency with Ogre Strike (with a side of Luna), and Siegbert gets excellent strength and a decent speed modifier. Uncertain whether to pass Swordfaire or Line of Death from Xander's A+ support.

Leo x Sakura --> Sakura!Foleo

-1 Str, +5 Mag, +0 Skl, +0 Spd, +1 Lck, +0 Def, +3 Res

Leo: Dark Mage, Rod Knight, Priest (A+ Zero for Outlaw?, passes Kunaibreaker)

Sakura: Priestess, Pegasus Warrior, Dark Mage (A+ Elise for Rod Knight, passes Swallow Strike)

Foleo: Rod Knight, Dark Mage, Priest (A+ Ignis?, S-Rank Eponine for Outlaw)

The entire family has magical synergy. I'm honestly uncertain with whom Foleo should A+ support though (and I'm wondering whether Leo could have a better A+ support considering Foleo will likely access Outlaw on his own). Having access to both Defensive Formation and Swallow Strike provides decent speed control considering Foleo's +0 modifier. And Luna is nice too.

Lazward x Luna --> Luna!Soleil

+1 Str, +1 Mag, +2 Skl, +2 Spd, +2 Lck, +1 Def, +0 Res

Lazward: Mercenary, Ninja, Pegasus (A+ Flannel for Fighter, passes Axefaire)

Luna: Mercenary, Pegasus, Ninja (A+ Camilla/Belka for Wyvern Rider, passes Swordbreaker)

Soleil: Mercenary, Ninja, Pegasus (A+ Sophie for Cavalier, S-Rank Kisaragi for Bowman)

Relatively average modwise. At least this Soleil can still use Swallow Strike to improve her doubling threshold. Pegasus Warrior has synergy with both her A+ and S-support classes too.

Arthur x Effie --> Effie!Lutz

+5 Str, +1 Mag, +3 Skl, +2 Spd, -2 Lck, +1 Def, -1 Res

Arthur: Fighter, Cavalier, Knight (A+ Zero or Flannel for Outlaw, passes Aegis)

Effie: Knight, Rod Knight, Fighter (A+ Hana for Samurai, passes Battle Command)

Lutz: Wyvern Rider, Fighter, Knight (A+ Hisame for Samurai, S-Rank Kanna for Ninja)

Effie benefits from access to Fighter and Line of Death in conjunction with her personal skill.

Arthur suffers a bit due to Cavalier/Knight overlap, but he'll still make a decent support.

Battle Command synergizes with Lutz's personal skill and he still has Pavgis as a combo through inheritance.

Benoit x Belka --> Belka!Ignis

+0 Str, +1 Mag, +3 Skl, -4 Spd, +1 Lck, +6 Def, +1 Res

Benoit: Knight, Fighter, Wyvern Rider (A+ Tsukuyomi for Spellcaster (only option iirc), passes Breaking Sky)

Belka: Wyvern Rider, Fighter, Knight (A+ Oboro for Lance Fighter, passes Flamboyant)

Ignis: Knight, Fighter, Wyvern Rider (A+ Gurei for Ninja, S-Rank Ophelia for Dark Mage)

This was basically a means of pairing the spares for mitigating their respective poor speed modifiers.

At least Ignis acquires both Basara-class skills through his parents' A+ supports. For those who'd argue that Belka pass Lancefaire, I'm of the opinion that Ignis would get more use out of his inherent Axefaire. S-Ranking Ophelia is more for Ophelia to get Defense Formation and Luna, though he might benefit from Bind and Vengeance.

Zero x Nyx --> Nyx!Eponine

-1 Str, +4 Mag, -2 Skl, +6 Spd, +0 Lck, -1 Def, +3 Res

Zero: Outlaw, Dark Mage (A+ Subaki for Pegasus Warrior, passes Swallow Strike (or possibly something else))

Nyx: Dark Mage, Outlaw (A+ Mozume for Bowman, passes Bowfaire)

Eponine: Outlaw, Dark Mage, Spellcaster (A+ Velour for Fighter? or Matoi for Pegasus Warrior?, S-Rank Foleo for Rod Knight)

Despite restricting Zero and Nyx's class options, this at least results in an Eponine with excellent speed and great magic.

I'm uncertain about her A+ options though. Acquiring Velour's Fighter coupled with her own inherent Outlaw would eclipse any offerings from Soleil's Mercenary class save for the base class itself. But she might function better in a Pegasus Rider derived class from Matoi, despite already inheriting Swallow Strike from Zero. Thoughts?

Flannel x Hana --> Hana!Velour

+5 Str, +1 Mag, +0 Skl, +2 Spd, +0 Lck, +0 Def, +1 Res

Flannel: Garou, Fighter, Samurai (A+ Nishiki for Spellcaster, passes Breaking Sky)

Hana: Samurai, Priestess, Fighter (A+ Felicia for Rod Knight, passes Tomebreaker)

Velour: Garou, Fighter, Samurai (A+ Sophie for Cavalier, S-Rank Deere for Rod Knight)

This Velour has only one point of strength less than Charlotte!Velour, and has an arguably more usable class in her Samurai inheritance. It's disappointing that Hana doesn't have supports with either Azura or Hinoka to pass Swallow Strike, but I suppose that can be purchased independently.

Aside from that, Hana has the mods to make a decent Swordfaire Hero, and Nishiki and Velour both appreciate Line of Death.

Ryoma x Camilla --> Camilla!Shinonome

+3 Str, +0 Mag, +4 Skl, +3 Spd, +0 Lck, +0 Def, -1 Res

Ryoma: Samurai, Pegasus Warrior, Wyvern Rider (A+ Saizou for Ninja or Xander for Cavalier, passes Swallow Strike)

Camilla: Wyvern Rider, Dark Mage, Samurai (A+ Luna for Mercenary, passes Axebreaker)

Shinonome: Lance Fighter, Samurai, Wyvern Rider (A+ Gurei for Ninja, S-Rank Sophie for Cavalier)

Results in a Shinonome with good Strength, Skill and Speed, and otherwise balanced stats.

Subaki x Oboro --> Oboro!Matoi

+1 Str, +0 Mag, +4 Skl, +0 Spd, -1 Lck, +5 Def, -1 Res

Subaki: Pegasus Warrior, Samurai, Lance Fighter (A+ Saizou for Ninja, passes Copycat Puppet)

Oboro: Lance Fighter, Herb Merchant, Pegasus Warrior (A+ Belka/Rinkah for Wyvern Rider/Oni Savage, passes ???)

Matoi: Pegasus Warrior, Samurai, Lance Fighter, (A+ Sophie for Cavalier, S-Rank Gurei for Ninja)

Subaki and Matoi benefit from Lance Fighter access, while Matoi becomes surprisingly physically tanky for a Pegasus unit.

Granted, Hinoka!Matoi has offensive stats comparable to Oboro!Matoi, and has more balanced defenses, but I had a hard time juggling A+ and S supports for Matoi and Sophie such that both receive Lance Fighter and Cavalier access without significant overlap.

Also uncertain which of the two A+ supports would be more beneficial for Oboro; I'm leaning toward Oni Savage from a scarcity value standpoint.

Tsukuyomi x Felicia --> Felicia!Syalla

-1 Str, +4 Mag, +0 Skl, +4 Spd, +2 Luk, -1 Def, +1 Res

Tsukuyomi: Spellcaster, Oni Savage, Rod Knight (A+ Fuuga for Samurai, passes Line of Death)

Felicia: Rod Knight, Mercenary, Spellcaster (A+ Hana for Samurai, passes Kunaibreaker)

Syalla: Spellcaster, Oni Savage, Rod Knight (A+ Ophelia for Dark Mage, S-Rank Shigure for Pegasus Warrior)

Syalla benefits from respectable magic and speed mods as well as a triad of magical classes to choose from, once factoring in her A+ support.

Tsukuyomi and Felicia also benefit from having an additional magic class apiece, while the former admittedly could go mixed due to his comparatively balanced offensive mods.

Saizou x Kagerou --> Kagerou!Gurei

+5 Str, +1 Mag, +3 Skl, -2 Spd, +1 Lck, +1 Def, +0 Res

Saizou: Ninja, Samurai, Spellcaster (A+ Subaki for Pegasus Warrior, passes Swallow Strike (or possibly something else))

Kagerou: Ninja, Spellcaster, Samurai (A+ Rinkah for Oni Savage, passes Ogre Strike)

Gurei: Ninja, Samurai, Spellcaster (A+ Ignis for General, S-Rank Matoi for Pegasus Warrior)

Another instance of pairing low-speed units together. At least Gurei gets good strength and skill out of it. His A+ and S-rank options help him out nicely in my opinion, allowing him to function as a tanky General with Defensive Formation speed control, or as a slower-than-average Berserker who can still double things with Swallow Strike.

Hinata x Pieri --> Pieri!Hisame

+3 Str, +1 Mag, -1 Skl, +0 Spd, +1 Lck, +1 Def, +3 Res

Hinata: Samurai, Oni Savage, Cavalier (A+ Subaki for Pegasus Warrior, passes Swallow Strike)

Pieri: Cavalier, Dark Mage, Samurai (A+ Charlotte for Fighter, passes Roundhouse)

Hisame: Samurai, Oni Savage, Cavalier (A+ Gurei for Ninja, S-Rank Kinu for Spellcaster)

Yet another pairing that started off as a 'pair the spares', but actually turned out decently. Hinata gets another class he can use swords in, while Pieri can utilize Line of Death quite nicely. As for Hisame, he gets some strength and resistance, and his speed is patched up. Ninja seemed to be the best class from his A+ support options, while Kinu's Spellcaster lets him access the coveted Basara-class skills.

Nishiki x Rinkah --> Rinkah!Kinu

+1 Str, +1 Mag, -4 Skl, +4 Spd, +2 Lck, +1 Def, +3 Res

Nishiki: Fox Spirit, Spellcaster, Oni Savage (A+ Flannel for Fighter, passes Roundhouse)

Rinkah: Oni Savage, Ninja, Spellcaster (A+ Charlotte for Fighter, passes HP+5?)

Kinu: Fox Spirit, Spellcaster, Oni Savage (A+ Kanna for Ninja, S-Rank Hisame for Samurai)

An unusual pairing modwise, as most seem to be when Rinkah is involved.

Low but balanced offenses allow Kinu to function decently in any class, or mixed as a Basara. Her high speed will all-but assure that she double-attacks with a Beaststone+ or in a class such as Elite Ninja. Her atrocious skill mod, while deplorable, is less of a concern as she'll be doing most of her damage passively, through a combination of her personal skill, Four Fangs, Snake Venom, and a purchased Deadly Breath.

Asama x Setsuna --> Setsuna!Mitama

+3 Str, -2 Mag, +2 Skl, +5 Spd, +0 Lck, +1 Def, +0 Res

Asama: Priest, Herb Merchant Bowman (A+ Arthur for Fighter, passes Roundhouse)

Setsuna: Bowman, Ninja, Priestess (A+ Hinoka for Pegasus Warrior, passes Swallow Strike)

Mitama: Priestess, Herb Merchant, Bowman (A+ Soleil for Mercenary, S-Rank Kamui for Ninja)

Produces a decent physical Mitama that has some nice skill and speed. However, I considered this pairing more for the potential it holds for Kanna.

Kamui (+Spd/-Def) x Mitama --> Mitama!Kanna

+3 Str, -2 Mag, +4 Skl, +9 Spd, +1 Luk, -2 Def, -1 Res

Kamui: Nohr Prince, Ninja, Priest (A+ anyone, passes TBD)

Mitama: Priestess, Herb Merchant, Bowman, Ninja (A+ Soleil for Mercenary, passes Swallow Strike)

Kanna: Nohr Princess, Ninja, Priestess (A+ Velour for Fighter, S-Rank Lutz for Wyvern Rider)

This Kanna has decent strength and skill, and excellent speed. A modifier of +9 ensures that no second-gen unit aside from certain Kinu setups can double her as the highest any of them would otherwise be able to hit is +8 (a +Spd MU and a +3 speed parent such as Kaze, Zero, Azura, or Setsuna). And with Swallow Strike as a Elite Ninja, she'll be able to double almost any of them in return.

[spoiler=Uncertain Pairings]

Odin and Takumi

Elise and Orochi

I'm having trouble deciding on pairings for them.

Either way, Ophelia will have great magic, and Kisaragi will be effective as a Magic Bow user.

However, Orochi seems to be more in-demand for her high skill mod which improves both a unit's hit rate and its crit rate.

So I'm considering Orochi!Ophelia for a higher potential critical hit rate in conjunction with Ophelia's personal skill and tome. Admittedly, compared to Elise's -2 skill mod, this is only a 2-3% difference in Ophelia's crit rate.

But I'm also considering Orochi!Kisaragi for a +6 skill mod, which as a Butler (courtesy of an A+ support with Deere) would allow him to be a better use of Misfortune and Sin which isn't affected by Hit/Avoid related skills iirc.

Edited September 4, 2015 by Tactless Tactician

[astrophys]

Wait, some of your pairs don't work… Velour cannot support with Gurei, for example… Each 2nd gen gets all the neutral options, their own faction, and two from the opposite.

While I'm at it, could you give me a hand in working out how I should have the 2nd gens marry and buddy, as well as first gen buddies?

Already decided:

Hinoka!Matoi x Corrin

Orochi!Mitama x Jakob!Shigure [rally Shigure]

Pairing not yet determined

-Hinoka!Matoi!Kanna

-Oboro! Sophie

-Mozume!Midoriko

-Elise!Ophelia

-Camilla!Velour

-Felicia!Kinu*

-Nyx!Syalla

-Setsuna!Eponine

-Luna!Soleil

*[this has been discussed; I'm basically doing it as "pair-the-spares", plus +4 RES and Tomebreaker highlights a mage-killer use; I also kind of liked the Felicia x Nishiki and Kaze x Mozume supports better than the Felicia x Kaze and Mozume x Nishiki supports when I read them]

Azura!Deere

Rinkah!Shinonome

Charlotte!Seigbert

Hana!Kisaragi

Sakura!Foleo

Kagerou!Gurei

Pieri!Hisame

Belka!Ignis

Effie!Lutz

Edited September 2, 2015 by astrophys

[Ebony]

Wait, some of your pairs don't work… Velour cannot support with Gurei, for example… Each 2nd gen gets all the neutral options, their own faction, and two from the opposite.

While I'm at it, could you give me a hand in working out how I should have the 2nd gens marry and buddy, as well as first gen buddies?

Already decided:

Hinoka!Matoi x Corrin

Orochi!Mitama x Jakob!Shigure [rally Shigure]

Pairing not yet determined

-Hinoka!Matoi!Kanna

-Oboro! Sophie

-Mozume!Midoriko

-Elise!Ophelia

-Camilla!Velour

-Felicia!Kinu*

-Nyx!Syalla

-Setsuna!Eponine

-Luna!Soleil

*[this has been discussed; I'm basically doing it as "pair-the-spares", plus +4 RES and Tomebreaker highlights a mage-killer use; I also kind of liked the Felicia x Nishiki and Kaze x Mozume supports better than the Felicia x Kaze and Mozume x Nishiki supports when I read them]

Azura!Deere

Rinkah!Shinonome

Charlotte!Seigbert

Hana!Kisaragi

Sakura!Foleo

Kagerou!Gurei

Pieri!Hisame

Belka!Ignis

Effie!Lutz

Mmm, perhaps Felicia!Kinu with Pieri!Hisame for Samurai? Or maybe with Gurei so she can pick up some Ninja skills?

[Tactless Tactician]

To help with the process, what is the likely secondary class for your MaMU? This in turn will have some influence on whom Kanna will buddy/S-support

As far as Hinoka!Matoi is concerned, I'd recommend Sophie for her buddy support.

Mitama's Priestess class doesn't offer anything in particular unless you want Magic Counter for even more mage hate.

Syalla's Spellcaster partially overlaps with Matoi's Lance Fighter inheritance.

Eponine's Outlaw provides decent utility, but Sophie's Cavalier still seems more favorable due to having a lance rank at base, as well as access to Luna and Diamond Strike.

With regards to Orochi!Mitama:
Syalla is essentially a non-option as Mitama already inherited Spellcaster.

Matoi's Pegasus Warrior is also a non-option seeing as Mitama is paired with Shigure.

Soleil's Mercenary is an interesting choice as well. I understand you're going for a more magically-oriented Mitama but, mod-wise, she'll still have +3 strength and +1 magic.

Kanna I can't rule on until I know your MU's secondary class.

And now for Jakob!Shigure:

From what I can tell, his only option seems to be Hisame's Samurai as Foleo's Rod Knight is always redundant.

With regards to the first-gens:

Azura innately has Pegasus Warrior, and has Rod Knight through S-support. Sakura's Priestess is therefore the only option.

Jakob innately has Rod Knight, Cavalier, and has Pegasus Warrior through S-support. Takumi seems to be his only non-redundant option.

Rinkah has Oni Savage, and Ninja, and has Samurai through S-support. Kagerou's Ninja is redundant. Charlotte's Fighter is probably best due to its axe rank and skill synergy. Behind that, Oboro's Lance Fighter is a consideration, I suppose.

Ryoma has Samurai, Pegasus Warrior, and Oni Savage through S-support. Cavalier from either Xander or Silas is preferable for Luna, Diamond Strike, and sword access. Saizou's Ninja is a consideration, but it can only use swords upon promotion to Elite Ninja.

Charlotte has Fighter and... Rod Knight, as well as Cavalier through S-support. I'd recommend Rinkah's Oni Savage for axe usage and Ogre Strike. Although Berka's Wyvern Rider line also uses axes and has access to Swordbreaker. It depends whether you want more potential to crit, or a buffer against her WTD to swords (although she'll still have WTD to tomes iirc)

Xander has Cavalier, Wyvern Rider, and Fighter through S-support. Ryoma's Samurai is probably best for an inherent sword rank, Swordfaire, and Line of Death.

Hana has Samurai, Priestess and Bowman through S-support. Between Effie's Knight and Felicia's Rod Knight, I'd be more inclined to go with Knight whose strength growths corresponds with Hana's innate 55% growth in that stat.

Takumi has Bowman, Lance Fighter, and Samurai through S-support. A toss-up between Leo's Dark Mage and Jakob's Rod Knight would cause me to favor Dark Mage slightly due to an eventual sword rank upon classing as a Dark Knight if he first took some levels through Samurai/Trueblade/Weapon Master as well as Vengeance still being a semi-reliable skill when considering its activation percentage.

Sakura has Priestess, Pegasus Warrior, and Dark Mage through S-support. Between Hana's Samurai, and Elise's Rod Knight, I'd lean toward the latter strictly from a magic-oriented standpoint.

Leo has Dark Mage, Rod Knight, and now Priest through S-support. While few of his buddy supports have much magical affinity aside from the redundant Dark Mage from Owain, I'd lean toward Outlaw as Adventure has 15% magic and 20% speed growths.

That's all I could think of at present. I'll see if I can finish off providing suggestions for the rest of the first-gens later, provided some of my other suggestions at least seem decent.

[astrophys]

I was looking at a Dark Mage Avatar, which gives me bind (for boosting the melee-range accuracy of Yato & Dragonstones), the option of Devilish Wind (+2 magic damage to enemies in radius of 2, which could help Levin Swords, Tomes, and Dragonstones among others), and Lifetaker. That and Kanna and Matoi will also be able to share its sword rank (via Dark Knight) with some of their other classes (Nohr Princess for Kanna, Matoi's Samurai tree).

Yeah, Sophie makes sense for Matoi.

Mitama would be able to pick up Dark Mage/Sorcerer/Dark Knight from Kanna, so I guess that would work well for Mitama.

Thanks. I'lll have to think over your other suggestions.

[Ebony]

(although she'll still have WTD to tomes iirc)

I do wanna add in though, she DOES get Tomebreaker from Rod Knight, so this could help possibly.

[Ike of Paris]

I had a fun build idea for Shigure that basically functions as a heavy duty Trublade. His speed cap should be through the roof thanks to Aqua and Kamui having high speed modifiers.

Kamui (+Speed, -Whatever/Wyvern Rider)!Shigure (Buddied with Hisame)

White Blood

Swordfaire

Deadly Breath

Astra

Hoshido

Swallow Strike

Should I ditch something for Vantage?

Edited September 3, 2015 by Ike of Paris

[GoXDS]

Kamui (+Speed, -Whatever/Wyvern Rider)!Shigure (Buddied with Hisame)

White Blood

Swordfaire

Deadly Breath

Astra

Hoshido

Swallow Strike

Should I ditch something for Vantage?

tbh, Deadly Breath feels odd being placed here imo