Fireman Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 They had to figure out a way to balance things out. Sothe and Heather have way more availability while Volke has better stats and everything. It's as simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Wright Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 That argument doesn't mean that Sothe is better than Volke though. It just means you have to take Sothe, so why bother taking Volke?Statistically, Volke pretty much trumps Sothe in everywhere that matters. And though Sothe is there for most of the game, that doesn't mean he's any good. Meg is there for most of the game, but no one ever uses her. Sothe is forced. That's all he really has going for him. If he wasn't forced, I'd bet you anything that people would ditch him for Volke in a heartbeat. Exactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufasa Posted October 12, 2008 Author Share Posted October 12, 2008 They had to figure out a way to balance things out. Sothe and Heather have way more availability while Volke has better stats and everything. It's as simple as that. Volke is pretty much another Lord. He has a unique class and a unique skill. Volke FTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Sothe is a godsend in part 1, and still great in part 3. He can steal stuff, greatly helping your team in part 1, and he opens all the chests, even though there really aren't many. He has an auto A-support with Micaiah, greatly helping both of them with +2 attack and +15 avoid. He's good until endgame, where he's forced anyway, so you may as well make as much use of him as possible there as well. He isn't bad at endgame, just not as good as most others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGV Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 *has not read anything in this topic* I am a Sothe fan, so I like Sothe. Yes, he is the weakest at endgame because the creators screwed him over with a lame 28 strength cap. Even though he's the weakest, I use him to kill those little tornado thingies so he isn't COMPLETELY useless at endgame. At the beginning he's insanley good for obvious reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufasa Posted October 12, 2008 Author Share Posted October 12, 2008 Sothe is a godsend in part 1, and still great in part 3. He can steal stuff, greatly helping your team in part 1, and he opens all the chests, even though there really aren't many. He has an auto A-support with Micaiah, greatly helping both of them with +2 attack and +15 avoid. He's good until endgame, where he's forced anyway, so you may as well make as much use of him as possible there as well. He isn't bad at endgame, just not as good as most others. He's pretty bad at the endgame when compared to the alternative.(Volke.) The A support with Micaiah doesn't help his attack too much in reality. And he's really good for Part 1, but he can be an EXP hog. *has not read anything in this topic*I am a Sothe fan, so I like Sothe. Yes, he is the weakest at endgame because the creators screwed him over with a lame 28 strength cap. Even though he's the weakest, I use him to kill those little tornado thingies so he isn't COMPLETELY useless at endgame. At the beginning he's insanley good for obvious reasons If they gave Sothe a better STR cap, I'd like him better. In fact, if they even just changed the super Skill so that it has 3x damage like the other super skills. His inability to kill just annoys me. Especially when there are other units that are way more passable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 He's pretty bad at the endgame when compared to the alternative.(Volke.) The A support with Micaiah doesn't help his attack too much in reality. And he's really good for Part 1, but he can be an EXP hog. I've pretty much said all that, except most of his part 1 experience comes from stealing, which he can do plenty of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGV Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 I think Bane should have at least paralyzed the opponent. I mean Haar and Jill do 3 times AND paralyze. Sothe and Heather bring them to one health and that's it.... lame... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufasa Posted October 12, 2008 Author Share Posted October 12, 2008 I've pretty much said all that, except most of his part 1 experience comes from stealing, which he can do plenty of. Yeah. But I still don't think that makes up for how much he sucks in the endgame. I think Bane should have at least paralyzed the opponent. I mean Haar and Jill do 3 times AND paralyze. Sothe and Heather bring them to one health and that's it.... lame... Especially when most of the time they activate it it's their second attack so they can't kill that unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Yeah. But I still don't think that makes up for how much he sucks in the endgame. Being really good on a team that generally isn't very good in some of the hardest parts of the game isn't enough if he sucks at the end of the game where his abilities are no longer needed because anyone can be awesome at that point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_____ Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Who cares if he's good come endgame? He's got amazing earlygame utility, and makes Part 1 actually beatable. He kicks Heather's ass, and Volke lacks the ability to steal/pick locks, so he's not even really a thief. Sothe is h4x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufasa Posted October 12, 2008 Author Share Posted October 12, 2008 (edited) Being really good on a team that generally isn't very good in some of the hardest parts of the game isn't enough if he sucks at the end of the game where his abilities are no longer needed because anyone can be awesome at that point? Yes. Because: 1. He leaves a bad taste in your mouth. 2. He seems even worse because all the other units outshine him. 3. If that's the case, then jeigans are good as well. 4. There are other units that I would love to replace him with. 5. There are other units you use at the beginning and then toss away. With Sothe, you don't have a choice. I'm not saying that sothe is unuseable, but other units are better. And by the time Volke shows up, there's nothing TO steal. So who cares? Edited October 12, 2008 by Lyle Dayek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_____ Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Yes. Because: 1. He leaves a bad taste in your mouth. 2. He seems even worse because all the other units outshine him. 3. If that's the case, then jeigans are good as well. 4. There are other units that I would love to replace him with. 5. There are other units you use at the beginning and then toss away. With Sothe, you don't have a choice. I'm not saying that sothe is unuseable, but other units are better. 1.) Wtf? 2.) Lol. Sothe will be better than every DB member until they reach Tier 2. 3.) Actually, a lot are. Seth, Marcus, and Titania are all amazing characters. 4.) Like who? HEATHER? XD 5.) Might as well train him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Yes. Because: 1. He leaves a bad taste in your mouth. 2. He seems even worse because all the other units outshine him. 3. If that's the case, then jeigans are good as well. 4. There are other units that I would love to replace him with. 5. There are other units you use at the beginning and then toss away. With Sothe, you don't have a choice. I'm not saying that sothe is unuseable, but other units are better. 1. No he doesn't... 2. At the end of the game only. 3. Other Jeigans can't steal, and post FE8 that seriously suck at endgame. Sothe can live, and he can kill the spirits with a blessed Baselard and Micaiah. With Dragonfoe, he can kill dragons. 4. Not his fault. 5. Same with Micaiah, does she suck as badly? Ike, Sanaki, Kurthnaga, and Ena are all forced, and I've always had occasions where I'd rather not take any of them for any given reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandmanccl Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 He's pretty bad at the endgame when compared to the alternative.(Volke.) Except that Volke isn't an alternative. Just because he's similar because he uses the same weapon type doesn't mean he's an alternative. You're going to use Sothe every time, and he's pretty good. Yeah, he doesn't one-round enemies while a lot of other people can. *shrugs* That's just because it's possible to have extremely broken end-game units. Sothe has a 40 speed cap and can double-attack Ashera and therefore inflict pretty good damage, though, so he still has use end-game. An idea to get a different kind of use out of him: forged silver dagger. Make one with max MT and pray for a bonus to it via coins to make it stronger than the Peshkatz. Then you can just use him as a ranged unit to help weaken things enough for Sanaki or whomever might not one-shot it otherwise. Honestly, it doesn't matter if other units are better because you can't take them. I think that one of the reasons they force you to take so many somewhat underpowered characters into end-game is so you still have a goal to shoot for. If I just took the 16 most powerful units in the game, they'd probably all be max level already, meaning it'd just be a slaughterhouse. I'm okay with a strategy game being a strategy game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I hope you meant Silver Knife. The context suggests it, and you can't forge daggers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanarkin Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Lol is this a cheap copy of titania's the best in the game topic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 (edited) Lol is this a cheap copy of titania's the best in the game topic? well, actually this started as a joke topic in FFtF, but it got too serious, so it was moved here. Edited October 13, 2008 by Chiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_____ Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I hope you meant Silver Knife. The context suggests it, and you can't forge daggers. I think you can forge Knives by the time you reach Part 4's endgame. I might be wrong, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I think you can forge Knives by the time you reach Part 4's endgame. I might be wrong, though. You can't forge daggers. You can forge knives. The ranged one can be forged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufasa Posted October 13, 2008 Author Share Posted October 13, 2008 (edited) I find it irksome that Sothe is forced for the endgame. He doesn't really contribute much to the story in the endgame (In fact the laguz kings have more dialogue if they're taken), and he doesn't contribute to much battle-wise in the endgame. Other than that I'm fine where he is. But because of his discrepency of being forced to go to the endgame with no real important purpose of being there I hate him. Edited October 13, 2008 by Lyle Dayek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Judy Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I find it irksome that Sothe is forced for the endgame. He doesn't really contribute much to the story in the endgame (In fact the laguz kings have more dialogue if they're taken), and he doesn't contribute to much battle-wise in the endgame.Other than that I'm fine where he is. But because of his discrepency of being forced to go to the endgame with no real important purpose of being there I hate him. Simple DON'T USE HIM You hate him so much, don;t use him like ever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufasa Posted October 13, 2008 Author Share Posted October 13, 2008 Simple DON'T USE HIM You hate him so much, don;t use him like ever... But that's the thing: I HAVE to use him. If I don't, he becomes an even bigger liability and for most of the game if he dies, I lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Judy Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 But that's the thing: I HAVE to use him. If I don't, he becomes an even bigger liability and for most of the game if he dies, I lose. When at the beginning of the battle, you don't have to choose all the players given. Like I don;t use Sanaki and she is not there at the battle map Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufasa Posted October 13, 2008 Author Share Posted October 13, 2008 When at the beginning of the battle, you don't have to choose all the players given. Like I don;t use Sanaki and she is not there at the battle map But any unit that is like that should not be forced to the endgame in the first place. And yes. That means Sanaki, Ena, and Kurth if applicable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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