Johann Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, JSND Alter Dragon Boner said: @Johann do you need to up into armorsmasher first to see if they had extra effect? I didn't, I'm only assuming because Zanbato gets that kind of effect. I can confirm that the Keen Wolf tomes do get that extra effect too though, so it makes sense if the armor-effective weapons do as well. Side note, I earned 20 Divine Dew for upgrading Blarwolf. Meanwhile, Arena Medals seem to be given out every Arena win, possibly based on performance and team value, so you don't need to worry about those it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBraveGallade Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) does the dragon buffs mean that dragons can actually KILL julia and deidre now? lol I think even nowi can cause they have terrible defence. that candlight + plus the options for either wrathful staff OR dazzling staff is nice, especially dazzling staff if you want to go full support or just defensive. Edited November 28, 2017 by TheBraveGallade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Johann said: Giant list of stuff. Missing Raudhrowl+, Blarowl+, and Gronnowl+, which only adds stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pullofthebush Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) So I just checked my Est and Slaying Spear+ doesnt' ignore armor buffs, unfortunately. Edit: Well, or maybe it unlocks later after upgrading. Edited November 28, 2017 by pullofthebush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledrert Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) Don't mind me, I'm an idiot Edited November 28, 2017 by Ledrert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, Ledrert said: IMPORTANT STUFF ! If you choose to upgrade the Support skill of an healer, you cannot upgrade his weapon after. Oops. I'm sorry Lissa... You can't refine Assist skills. Are you sure your Lissa actually has the + version of her weapon learned (requires 5-star rarity)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledrert Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Ice Dragon said: You can't refine Assist skills. Are you sure your Lissa actually has the + version of her weapon learned (requires 5-star rarity)? Don't mind me. I'm an idiot. XD It's not a refinery we have to use for healers' weapon. Just learning skill. Edited November 28, 2017 by Ledrert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 On the topic of staff upgrades, though, even if they're not technically related to the weapon refinery, Weapon upgrades: Absorb+: 4→7 Mt, after combat, allies within 2 squares heal 7 HP Candle+: 7→11 Mt, affects all enemies within 2 squares Fear+: 5→12 Mt, affects all enemies within 2 squares, effect boosted from 6→7 Atk Gravity+: 6→10 Mt, affects all enemies within 1 square Pain+: 3→10 Mt, affects all enemies within 2 squares Panic+: 7→11 Mt, affects all enemies within 2 squares Slow+: 5→12 Mt, affects all enemies within 2 squares, effect boosted from 6→7 Spd Assist upgrades Martyr+: heals by 50% of self's damage (minimum 7) and heals 50% of self's damage, no longer increases Special skill cooldown Physic+: heals by 50% of Atk (minimum 8) Recover+: heals by 50% of Atk + 10 (minimum 15), no longer increases Special skill cooldown Rehabilitate+: heals by 50% of Atk - 10 (minimum 7) plus the same additional healing for low HP, no longer increases Special skill cooldown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmayre Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Soo... the game says that you can buy Dew with Stones, but I'm not seeing any such option in the Refinery. Has anyone been able to obtain Dew yet and how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsilas Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Ice Dragon said: On the topic of staff upgrades, though, even if they're not technically related to the weapon refinery, Weapon upgrades: Absorb+: 4→7 Mt, after combat, allies within 2 squares heal 7 HP Candle+: 7→11 Mt, affects all enemies within 2 squares Fear+: 5→12 Mt, affects all enemies within 2 squares, effect boosted from 6→7 Atk Gravity+: 6→10 Mt, affects all enemies within 1 square Pain+: 3→10 Mt, affects all enemies within 2 squares Panic+: 7→11 Mt, affects all enemies within 2 squares Slow+: 5→12 Mt, affects all enemies within 2 squares, effect boosted from 6→7 Spd Assist upgrades Martyr+: heals by 50% of self's damage (minimum 7) and heals 50% of self's damage, no longer increases Special skill cooldown Physic+: heals by 50% of Atk (minimum 8) Recover+: heals by 50% of Atk + 10 (minimum 15), no longer increases Special skill cooldown Rehabilitate+: heals by 50% of Atk - 10 (minimum 7) plus the same additional healing for low HP, no longer increases Special skill cooldown Neat, thanks for the list! Interesting how Fear and Slow are the strongest out of all of this. Watch out for Wrys! Absorbs seems the most situational, but group heal is at least interesting. I wonder which will the best staff to use now. I guess the Dazzling Staff effect is better for fast/-Atk healers, while Wrathful Staff is obviously for +Atk? Maybe also be good with Gravity/Panic to quickly deal with buffbots? Rehabilitate still seems to be the best healing skill, although Recover has some nice consistent heals as well. So many new things to keep track off, I'm kind of slightly overwhelmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, mcsilas said: I wonder which will the best staff to use now. I guess the Dazzling Staff effect is better for fast/-Atk healers, while Wrathful Staff is obviously for +Atk? Maybe also be good with Gravity/Panic to quickly deal with buffbots? Dazzling Staff's refine effect is better in general because Wrathful Staff has better availability and Dazzling Staff's effect is always useful. 11 minutes ago, mcsilas said: Rehabilitate still seems to be the best healing skill, although Recover has some nice consistent heals as well. 37 HP per heal from my Elise (35 Atk from +Atk nature, 10 from Gravity+, 3 from Attack +3, 6 from Hone Cavalry) with Recover+ is going to be awesome. Edited November 28, 2017 by Ice Dragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelgius Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I got 50 dew points for upgrading a Slaying Axe+, so it looks like I'll need to do a bit saving up before upgrading a legendary weapon. I think when I build up enough I'll do Lyn's Sol Katti and then let my resources build incase we get some new legendary weapon upgrades available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Grima Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 57 minutes ago, mcsilas said: So many new things to keep track off, I'm kind of slightly overwhelmed. That is why I wanted to make this thread. To eventually make a list of all the different weapon forge upgrades. Also for those wanting refining stones and Coins, there are several quests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk King Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Some of these updates are ridiculous. All daggers got a huge buff that they needed. Jaffar got the biggest buff of all which is great for him. Sol Katti buff is hilariously awesome. Oh hey, let's put Lyn's entire build onto her weapon and increase it to 75%. Escape route is going to be so dangerous on her... Ephraim is pretty scary now. His Atk is super high and with QP seal his second attack will always proc a 3 cooldown skill. 1v1 master? Hautclere is scary. I still remember way back right after skill inheritance when a Minerva was able to one round my +Def Chrom. Now she is going to be even more lethal. Guard bow can really find some use on Quick Riposte sets. Especially with Distant Def 3 on an A-skill and the seal. +18 defenses from ranged attacks. Halloween Jakob with ward buffs x3 on top of that... Eldigan's Mystletain upgrade makes me wish for a Fury seal even more now. My +Atk Elise and +Spd Bride Lyn are really going to be able to shine now. Personally, I am most looking forward to upgrading my +Def/-Spd +10 Lukas' killer lance+ to a Slaying Lance+ with +5 Hp and +4 Def. His Bonfire - Steady breath - Quick Riposte build is going to be even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur97 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 11 minutes ago, Hawk King said: Some of these updates are ridiculous. All daggers got a huge buff that they needed. Jaffar got the biggest buff of all which is great for him. Sol Katti buff is hilariously awesome. Oh hey, let's put Lyn's entire build onto her weapon and increase it to 75%. Escape route is going to be so dangerous on her... Ephraim is pretty scary now. His Atk is super high and with QP seal his second attack will always proc a 3 cooldown skill. 1v1 master? Hautclere is scary. I still remember way back right after skill inheritance when a Minerva was able to one round my +Def Chrom. Now she is going to be even more lethal. Guard bow can really find some use on Quick Riposte sets. Especially with Distant Def 3 on an A-skill and the seal. +18 defenses from ranged attacks. Halloween Jakob with ward buffs x3 on top of that... Eldigan's Mystletain upgrade makes me wish for a Fury seal even more now. My +Atk Elise and +Spd Bride Lyn are really going to be able to shine now. Personally, I am most looking forward to upgrading my +Def/-Spd +10 Lukas' killer lance+ to a Slaying Lance+ with +5 Hp and +4 Def. His Bonfire - Steady breath - Quick Riposte build is going to be even better. Because Lyn must be made OP for whatever reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenzen12 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Because, she got hilariously sidetracked by inheritance, until Wrath happen. Then Arya appeared... She now can compete for top spot of speedy swords again at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur97 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Tenzen12 said: Because, she got hilariously sidetracked by inheritance, until Wrath happen. Then Arya appeared... She now can compete for top spot of speedy swords again at least. I don't think she was ever in that running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenzen12 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Before inheritance, yes she was. You can check early threads. And wrath build has pretty impressive statistic even now. Well especially now, when she can use seal for anything other than BA3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur97 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, Tenzen12 said: Before inheritance, yes she was. You can check early threads. And wrath build has pretty impressive statistic even now. Well especially now, when she can use seal for anything other than BA3. Is one broken Lyn not enough for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILikeKirbys Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) Wait wait wait, every staff can have Wrathful or Dazzling built-in? Well, my Elise just got way better. Doesn't need a Genny any more (good thing too, since I haven't pulled one), and she can have Desperation too! Hell, my Genny's gonna be better too, since she can now have both effects with Gravity+ (unless the other + staves are inheritable. Are they?). Also, I'm so glad I kept my Jaffar all this time, Deathly Dagger's buff looks amazing! Not sure what exactly I'll do with him, but he just became interesting. 10 minutes ago, Tenzen12 said: Before inheritance, yes she was. You can check early threads. And wrath build has pretty impressive statistic even now. Well especially now, when she can use seal for anything other than BA3. But what will Lyn use now? I would guess ATK +3 (good thing the ATK+ Squad Ace is finally here, huh?), but I could see a case for HP +5 so she has more HP in her murderzone. Also, does Lyn seem like a good Fury user now? 3 minutes ago, Arthur97 said: Is one broken Lyn not enough for you? No. Now we just need a way to make Bride Lyn broken too. Edited November 28, 2017 by ILikeKirbys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenzen12 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) Competing for top spot in speedy sword infantry category does hardly make anyone broken. It only slightly better than top spot dagger users and healers (which also is also Lyn thing hurray!) Buy yes Fury and wrath are her best options imho. Edited November 28, 2017 by Tenzen12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur97 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, ILikeKirbys said: No. Now we just need a way to make Bride Lyn broken too. Whatever, my Robin will eat them all for breakfast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solunar Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) Just so that i’m Understanding clearly, in order for the Breath weapons to use their Range=2 pick lower stat def/res effect, the dragons must have distant counter? With the exception of Lightning Breath. Or does it mean that the enemy unit just needs to have a range weapon? Edited November 28, 2017 by Solunar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosef Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 no i upgrade ninian breath and she can now kill low def mage when she engage them at close range! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeaceRibbon Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Wrathful Staff or Dazzling Staff... now that is a first world problem!(I'm running Spd + Res - Lucius if anyone has suggestions) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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