Makaze Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Makaze said: The other side of this is that if we don't Lynch Baldrick then Baldrick wins. In a world where you shoot Evan and Baldrick blocks Evan you have to Kill bal or he rbs you next cycle. And he has a bulletproof vest so even if you shot him it would not help you so you have to lose if you don't lynch him. It's just a matter of whether you want to lose to Baldrick or to town. Fixed in quote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 NL I hook Evan. Kill shoots me I shoot Evan Next day is 1/1/1. If I have a full-time hook on top of all my other powers, I win. IF I don't, Makaze is kingmaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Just now, Baldrick said: NL I hook Evan. Kill shoots me I shoot Evan Next day is 1/1/1. If I have a full-time hook on top of all my other powers, I win. IF I don't, Makaze is kingmaker. Who do you shoot? Kill. If it does 1v1v1 we end up in see argument as today in next say phase but then he has no Evan to worry about. So he comes you with me and he wins. He would never expect you to let this happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I don't shoot kill. If I leave both you and evan alive, I am dead. If you'd shoot kill, you're bad at mafia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanManManMan Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Is hooking like roleblocking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Kill never shoots anyone but me, my BPV would endgame him even if he survives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Makaze said: Who do you shoot? Kill. If it does 1v1v1 we end up in see argument as today in next say phase but then he has no Evan to worry about. So he comes you with me and he wins. He would never expect you to let this happen. Fixing: Who do you shoot? Kill. If it does 1v1v1 the next day then we end up in the same argument as today in next day phase but then he has no Evan to worry about. So he votes you with me and he wins. He would never expect you to let this happen. In other words, he can hope that you throw, and throw himself by relying on it, or he can be kingmaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, EvanManManMan said: Is hooking like roleblocking? another name for it. It's what my role PM calls it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Baldrick said: I don't shoot kill. If I leave both you and evan alive, I am dead. If you'd shoot kill, you're bad at mafia. If you have a BPV, I shoot Evan as Kill, not you. So you wouldn't be leaving Evan alive. It's still be down to 1v1v1 without Evan, and the BPV break on you is meaningless here. It doesn't save Kill to shoot you and Evan might live. So lol. You always shoot the KP without a vest. For you, that's Evan or Kill. For Kill, it's just Evan. So the optimal actions are locked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 To wit: 22 minutes ago, Makaze said: Then he has to Lynch you lmao. Good game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Makaze said: If you have a BPV, I shoot Evan as Kill, not you You gamethrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanManManMan Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Friendly reminder that Kill has some super cool ability that he got from Athena dying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Just now, Baldrick said: You gamethrow No... You'd be RBing Evan in this scenario, and I could not kill you with one shot. So... Perhaps I'd shoot me (Makaze) as an alternative? But if you shoot Evan, then that puts me Kill at 1v1 with you going into Day, and you'd have a BPV. So he'd still lose. I'm saying his options are play Kingmaker today, player Kingmaker tomorrow, or just lose. I will take his side as long as I'm alive, and Evan will too, apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, EvanManManMan said: Friendly reminder that Kill has some super cool ability that he got from Athena dying Neat. It's obviously not a RB tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, EvanManManMan said: Friendly reminder that Kill has some super cool ability that he got from Athena dying Also true, but it's too late now. He also pocketed me hard, and I'd like to reward him for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Makaze said: I will take his side as long as I'm alive, and Evan will too, apparently. If it's down to you/Evan/Kill, you'd gamethrow and let Kill win? that's nice of you. I need kill alive to keep town off me. IF he can't win by trusting me, then he can't win at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I also don't see why you'd allow him to get to 1v1v1 since I will side with him, so I can't see why he would expect you not to shoot him. Speculation: The BPV claim or the RB claim are lies, but, he either had full time RB or one shot RB a bpv. So functionally, hes still impossible for Kill to beat at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Baldrick said: If it's down to you/Evan/Kill, you'd gamethrow and let Kill win? that's nice of you. I need kill alive to keep town off me. IF he can't win by trusting me, then he can't win at all. I mean, assuming you have a RB and a BPV, and we dont lynch you today, that lineup is impossible. So no. I'm saying if Evan gets killed then I side with him against you if you live. If I get killed Evan sides with him. If we can't win, we make him win Kingmaker situations. We win ourselves if that's possible, obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Makaze deceives you for his own self-interest, he needs to kill you to win. If it's down to 1/1/1, he'd No Lynch because it's his only chance to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Baldrick said: If it's down to you/Evan/Kill, you'd gamethrow and let Kill win? that's nice of you. I need kill alive to keep town off me. IF he can't win by trusting me, then he can't win at all. I don't think he can win at all, lol. That's what I'm saying. You don't need him to keep us off of you, you just to not get lynched today. If you make it into Night, Kill has lost, and there's nothing he can do about it, unless you yourself throw the game by not killing him, in which case we will lynch you in the next Day because town is Kingmaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Baldrick said: Makaze deceives you for his own self-interest, he needs to kill you to win. If it's down to 1/1/1, he'd No Lynch because it's his only chance to win. ... as opposed to you killing him tonight, and it never going to 1v1v1? Which is what I'm saying is far more likely? LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Kill can kingmake today, and pass the responsibility on to Makaze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 OR pass the responsibilty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Just now, Baldrick said: Kill can kingmake today, and pass the responsibility on to Makaze. I don't see how lying isn't in your best interest right now just like lying would be in my best interest in a 1v1v1... The difference is we are in the situation where it in your best interest to lie, and not in the situation it's in mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 And furthermore, even if did go for a no lynch, you'd still have a BPV, which at best, leads to a draw, but then we should assume you have a full RB before a vest, because the vest defense came up after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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