Super Smash Bros Universe Mafia

[scorri]

Hmm... ok then. With this info, and the fact that Marth was claiming a pokemon (meaning it's likely he's squirtle) I'm going to ##Unvote

I'm still suspicious of him, but I highly doubt that the mafia would have three roles that didn't have powers until later on in the game. So, unless they're lying about their roles (which wouldn't make much sense since it would be revealed as soon as one of them flips) I think I believe them.

[scorri]

By him I mean Proto, and this means I should go back and reread things. Yay... Ugh subbing in after 25 pages sucks. It's really hard to catch up as it turns out.

[Psych]

There's still Pikachu though.

[Strawman]

Huh, Psych's stage choice makes a lot of sense with his claim then. I was about to make a post with a few Proto things that was making me not really believe his claim but with others claiming pokemon and then a very similar role, it seems legit to me. Though I was also bothered how easily a proto wagon formed when both Subieko and I were just as good of suspects. It seemed too easy that everyone was piling up on Proto.

I don't have much time left but heres something else. I don't like Prims' comments about possible doc being on Fountain of Dreams or Proto being possible doc or that vig should shoot tons of people. Seemed to me like for twon searching for the doc is a bad idea and having more people die in the night is only good if you're pretty sure they're mafia. And the SK death was most definitely a good thing. Less town deaths at night is for the better. Seemed off and not very pro-town to me, not to mention as i was lokking back at helios' posts, they seemed to be mostly echoing what others had said so I'll ##Vote:Prims.

[Strawman]

Also if the game has any relevance, it would make more sense for it to be squirtle and not pikachu because pikachu isn't part of the Pokemon Trainer pokemon team, hes his own character.

[scorri]

I think Psych was saying that Marth might be Pikachu, not Squirtle.

[Prims]

Proto's role doesn't indicate alignment, from what I can tell.

scorri nowhere does it say that all three pokemon have to be of the same alignment

[Excellen Browning]

Huh, Psych's stage choice makes a lot of sense with his claim then. I was about to make a post with a few Proto things that was making me not really believe his claim but with others claiming pokemon and then a very similar role, it seems legit to me. Though I was also bothered how easily a proto wagon formed when both Subieko and I were just as good of suspects. It seemed too easy that everyone was piling up on Proto.

I don't have much time left but heres something else. I don't like Prims' comments about possible doc being on Fountain of Dreams or Proto being possible doc or that vig should shoot tons of people. Seemed to me like for twon searching for the doc is a bad idea and having more people die in the night is only good if you're pretty sure they're mafia. And the SK death was most definitely a good thing. Less town deaths at night is for the better. Seemed off and not very pro-town to me, not to mention as i was lokking back at helios' posts, they seemed to be mostly echoing what others had said so I'll ##Vote:Prims.

Are you seriously going to judge someone on the performance of the guy they subbed in for, who made 2 posts in total and in the first day or so of the game? When you were still RVSing on the second I believe? GG trying to incriminate someone. If we don't have proto to do it, you take his place?

In any case, proto's claim seems legit to me and his defense reasonable enough. For now. I'm now quite interested in lynching folgore pink / tinyimp for the lack of content, lack of scumreads and the constant asking people questions instead of just for once taking a stance on something in her sizable posts.

##Unvote: Proto

##Vote: Folgore Pink

I really need to read through some people's posts to get better reads.

[Prims]

excellen, how is proto's ~Functional Vanilla~ claim better than impy's tracker claim

[Subieko]

scorri nowhere does it say that all three pokemon have to be of the same alignment

I think Vanilla Town is more likely than Vanilla mafia though. We know that there's at least some power roles (Kay flipped, I have one, Shinori and Eclipse claim some, etc.), so Proto's role seems too weak for scum. And, although I realize that there is no reason why the three pokemon MUST be the same alignment, it would make some sense (they all belong to the same trainer in SSB, don't they?).

With Psych's claim plus Marth's earlier claim of a Pokemon role, Proto's claim seems likely to be true. And as I said, if he really is a Vanilla then I think he's probably Town.

For now. I'm now quite interested in lynching folgore pink / tinyimp for the lack of content, lack of scumreads and the constant asking people questions instead of just for once taking a stance on something in her sizable posts.

Agreed on the problems with Pink's posts, but the Tracker claim seems legit and therefore I'm inclined to think Pink is Town. Tracker is not that useful as a scum role, and fakeclaiming Tracker seems ridiculous to me because it would be so difficult to prove. If you think Pink is scum you have to account for the Tracker claim somehow.

##Unvote, and I think I will go with a ##Vote: Iris for now, she seems scummiest to me at the moment.

[Excellen Browning]

excellen, how is proto's ~Functional Vanilla~ claim better than impy's tracker claim

It's not but it's pretty consistent with the role PM's we know for sure and the one psych gave us in particular. I hope this is the only role-based speculation I do this game and I now feel kind of silly I did.

I suppose I feel neutral about the claim, which helps proto's "I'm town" case in the sense that I'm not thinking he's dirty scum. I do agree it's no guarantee for alignment.

[BBM]

Excellen, you responded to one small almost-afterthought that Strawman made, and disregarded the body of his argument, which was all against Prims. That's not really a fair counter-argument.

For now, ##Unvote, ##Vote: Elieson I had some suspicions against him last phase, and he's posted only a handful of times this phase. He didn't even say much in those few posts.

Also, I'm guessing SB would have said something if he did in fact visit someone last night, so that makes me feel better about Impy's Tracker claim. IMO, it's unlikely that they're scumbuddies because that would be binding themselves together an awful lot. And if Impy is mafia and SB isn't, mafia would be taking a huge gamble. At the same time, even if I do feel better about Impy, she still needs to post more. She hasn't said anything other than outing her results from last night.

[Prims]

hi instead of focusing on unvotes i'd rather focus on having voteless people put their votes down

[Prims]

##Unvote

##Vote BBM

Prefer this over scorri now. Blends in too much, unvote on Proto was totally unprecedented and looks like it was because all the cool kids were doing it.

Subi: The Pokemon are most likely not actually Vanilla since Proto's role PM gives him a goal that most likely could result in a role upgrade.

Strawman: You could argue it's anti-town to imply shit about the doc, but as scum I could just keep what I know about the doc to myself and then shoot him or her, so. Don't think anything I've said about roles has really been a big deal.

[eclipse]

HOW TO FIND TIME ZONES: A TUTORIAL

1. Find the original post, and note the time.

2. Find a post by someone else where it's quoted.

3. Math out the time zone using a site like this.

This doesn't work if someone screws with their own time zone in their profile, but why would you do that? I'm in Hawaii, so that post Proto quoted was made at 11:26 PM my time, which is "eclipse shouldn't be doing serious scumhunting now" time.

I'm not liking how the claimed tracker completely ignored Excellen's post here. She's got a bit more time in the phase, but I'd rather she address this sooner than later.

With Psych's semi-random claim, I'm a bit more inclined to believe Proto. While his role might not be a solid indicator of his alignment, I think the wagon he built speaks more in his favor. Thus. . .

##Vote: Blitz

Why the vote push?

Early claim push for Proto

Now asking for Marth's claim?!

Kinda wish all this happened before he got busy. ;/

[BBM]

...How was my unvote on Proto totally unprecedented? If you mean that I didn't give any reasoning for it, I unvoted because while the role has no link to alignment, Ivysaur/Charizard/Squirtle are all part of Pokemon Trainer, and it doesn't make sense for part of him to be mafia and the other part to be town.

Also, while I'm not sure I'd lynch Prims right now, other than what Strawman pointed out, I also didn't like how he backed off the Impy wagon D1 by just saying that people he found suspicious were voting for her. He gave Impy a free pass based on the actions of others and not her actions. If we had indeed lynched Impy and she had flipped town, then the bandwagoners would have looked worse and the town would've had something more concrete to go on. But those bandwagoners could just be townies not playing very well and therefore looking suspicious. I think it was a stupid reason to stop voting for Impy, and however OMGUS this might sound, I'm leaning scum on Prims.

[Subieko]

Subi: The Pokemon are most likely not actually Vanilla since Proto's role PM gives him a goal that most likely could result in a role upgrade.

But unless they achieve whatever it is, they are functionally Vanilla. That just seems too weak for a scum role in a game with multiple Town power roles.

[Kaoz]

Votals

[2] Iris: Bluedoom, Subieko

[1] Proto: Blitz, Prims, scorri, Daigoji Excellen, Subieko, BBM

[1] scorri: Iris, Prims

[1] Elieson: BBM, Bluedoom

[1] Prims: Strawman

[1] Folgore Pink: Daigoji Excellen

[1] BBM: Prims

[1] Blitz: eclipse

[0] Subieko: BBM, Proto

Voteless: Iris, SB, Folgore Pink, Psych, Shinori, Elieson, Manix, Proto

Phase ends in 33 hours, 12 minutes. Remember to choose a stage for the night.

[Grace]

Okay, now I'm really not interested in lynching Proto. All these claims are making me think he's town. Yes, I am aware of the possibility that they *all* could be scum, but that seems far too contrived, tbh. The risk associated with that would just be too high (lynch one, effectively lose three scum. yeah, that's not good play)

ty Iris

That's good enough for an explanation. Still :/

SB you make me sad

We shouldn't have to be prompting you for questions. It's that thing that scum does fairly often, to make it seem like they're town. hmmmmmm

Get some opinions on people. Who do you think is townie/scummy? Why?

Combined with your D1, I'm still not convinced that you are town.

##Vote: SB

In other news:

- Prims isn't looking too great right now, because he's in that "I'm shoving my opinions down your throat" phase, but that might be because of his lack of interest. I'm not terribly sure.

- All of these people plus Marth and Elie still need to speak more. It's really not that easy for town if a third of the players haven't really contributed too much today.

[Excellen Browning]

Also as a general notice; I would like all players to place themselves on the same stage for the night phase to allow the information roles to target whoever they want to.

I'm having a bit of trouble getting reads this phase, by the way. I'm currently ISO'ing the posts of several players but I just can't decide whether or not I find someone more scummy or more town. I suppose I've started waffling.

Some assorted opinions on various selected individuals:

TinyImp: Timps posts can be summed up as this: waffling, waffling, joining a shinori wagon, joining a Kay wagon, claiming because she got votes and then outing night results. I'm fairly certain SB will confirm the night results but this doesn't say anything about her alignment IMO. The reasons for the Kay lynch were only so-so in my opinion and there were more worthy lynch targets, so joining that lynch doesn't make her look good. Would consider lynching her.

Strawman: first post is an RVS which was an incredibly stupid thing to do at that point, but I suppose it was just stupid. Followed up by a huge post dealing mostly with fluff then a paragraph with reads which amounted to "I don't think anyone is scummy really". Followed by an eclipse vote post which I feel was justified at that point in the game. Vote on Kay was again in my opinion so-so. Then a post saying he doesn't agree with eclipse being scummy, which I agree with though he somehow considered Kay a better lynch target than Timp when I think Timp was the better lynch target that phase. Then makes an interesting post about cop claims turning out to be mafia cops in 2 recent games. Then D2 came around and he said he, subieko and proto should be top suspects when the town doesn't even know if the mafia kill can bypass stages. Then some fluff post about kill bypass. Then a post where he attacks Prims over "dragging out the doc", which is torn from it's context pretty horribly.

Overall not feeling great about strawman but not sure if it's worth the vote

scorri: There's this sort of scorri vs prims war going on in which I don't really see the basis. Will adress prims later on. First insightful post was on D2 which I'm not pleased with but it's not scumtell. Proto vote was reasonable though wagoning. Not really liking she thinks mafia are bound to kills on stages they are on, seems like she has a reason to make that kinda claim and she's not making it when it's so incredibly important to how the town deals with night results.

Proto: Now that I'm taking the time to read over Proto's defense I'm liking it less and less. Saying just enough for a defense but too little for something really proper and he also missed IMO a likely reason Naglfar didn't kill; he was killed by the mafia for playing a highly pro town and intelligent game, which blocked his kill because the mafia kill has a higher priority. " At least the Mafia can send different players to do the killing" again prancing around knowing more than he should.

Unfortunately though I don't feel as strongly about lynching proto as I used to. I'm not sure how to deal with this.

Prims: Naglfar seemed to suspect Prims before he died. Which is a nice coincidence. Posted a fucking enormous amount of posts, beaten only by eclipse. Made some decent D1 posts, started a wagon on eclipse which was a decent choice at the time. Takes some time to defend Kay here and there, which I approve of. Then at the start of N1 remarks that eclipse/bizz need rope/bullet. I don't follow him on the "scum bizz gets disinterested and subs out" idea and if there's one thing that's striking me as awkward in his play it's this. Simply because I haven't seen him use meta and just "gut feeling" before. Plus it's awful argumentation and I'm not too happy about him outing it immediately instead of building a case.

Overall I'm finding very little reason to view Prims as scummy at the moment.

Migh iso BBM and eclipse some time tomorrow

[Psych]

Also as a general notice; I would like all players to place themselves on the same stage for the night phase to allow the information roles to target whoever they want to.

Excellen, are you trying to make yourself as scummy as possible? This basically screams "I want to make it harder to see possible patterns by letting the mafia have free range."

Second of all, if my role is affected by what stage I go to, then there's no fucking way I'd listen to you.

##Vote Excellen

You're just screaming scummy and you have been acting weird all game. I would really like someone to vig you.

[Grace]

Also as a general notice; I would like all players to place themselves on the same stage for the night phase to allow the information roles to target whoever they want to.

I don't agree with this. It just makes it harder to determine who actually took the kill, which gives us less information. Because also, right now, we only have one claimed investigative role, and tracker isn't too strong of an investigative role. We'd get better results out of splitting up, probably.

lolPsych

Explain why Excellen has been scummy all game. Because while that suggestion wasn't too great, I really don't see Excellen as scum. I can see why Excellen would suggest it, but the gains don't outweigh the costs, imo.

Don't explain, and it won't just be me raining down on you. I'm sure Prims/Excellen/whoever else will be on you pretty quickly.

[Excellen Browning]

Do me a favour. Both of you

Fully analyze the potential benefits and costs of going split up and all on one stage. While I am asleep.

Because "pros outweigh the cons" is a horrible and thoroughly unfounded assumption while mine isn't

[scorri]

Excellen: I think there's been some confusion as to what I was trying to say wrt stage kills. I was saying I found it unlikely the scum would use a stage jumping kill this early in the game, not that they don't have it. As for the stuff with Prims, I just got really frustrated with him after his post that said vig should shoot me before I had a chance to talk, combined with some of his other posts that seemed to be demanding people listen to him, and calling for my lynch based solely off of a meta that may or may not even be true.

[Psych]

I don't agree with this. It just makes it harder to determine who actually took the kill, which gives us less information. Because also, right now, we only have one claimed investigative role, and tracker isn't too strong of an investigative role. We'd get better results out of splitting up, probably.

lolPsych

Explain why Excellen has been scummy all game. Because while that suggestion wasn't too great, I really don't see Excellen as scum. I can see why Excellen would suggest it, but the gains don't outweigh the costs, imo.

Don't explain, and it won't just be me raining down on you. I'm sure Prims/Excellen/whoever else will be on you pretty quickly.

His sheeping at the beginning of the game, Eclipse's point about his post regarding Kay, his disbelief in Proto when our roles are almost identical (By the way, Proto is like 99% town in my eyes), and now this.

He's been too weird for all this to be dumb town.