MancerNecro Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I meant BBM in that last post. Bluedoom's post confused me a little with the names. ##Vote: Bluedoom I want to know why you are trying to get a mass claim this early into the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Thing is if SB claims and its some good role then we move on to someone else and the process repeats. This is more or less massclaiming except we're taking a longer time so yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Double post my apologies. We also have little to lose considering we've lost our cop, doc and watcher PLUS I'm effectively vanilla now. I don't think we'd have any more info roles otherwise we'd be OP I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I can claim if you want me to, even though I haven't been under much pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancerNecro Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Thing is if SB claims and its some good role then we move on to someone else and the process repeats. This is more or less massclaiming except we're taking a longer time so yeah. The person who's at L-1 is BBM, not SB..... Also, answer my question why you want mass claiming? Don't tell me the process of what you want done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Blah, I didn't notice I was at L-1. I'm the 1-shot Vig. I haven't used my shot yet. Why didn't you shoot Shinori when it would obviously benefit the Town? Read this: Why exactly is that? If we're going to vig either Marth or Shinori, I'd rather it be Shinori. I assume you want the vig shot on Marth because if his role is what he says it is, it's highly likely that Shinori is scum, so we can lynch him tomorrow. But if we do that, we'll have another turbolynch tomorrow, and a second one wouldn't really be helpful. Plus, if Shinori flips town Tracker, we can still lynch Marth tomorrow too. Then why didn't you vig shoot him? >_> Either town doesn't have a Doctor, the mafia have a Hitman, or the Redirector can direct people away? Also, we apparently don't have a Vig, so I'll start off with this: ##Vote: Shinori All blatant lies. This is very suspicious. I'd vote you now, but I don't want to hammer -yet-. Rapier - So, you're saying I should make a case against someone who might not be so obvious? I still haven't gotten an explanation for Banana's switch, so I don't see a reason to move my vote. I wouldn't assume anything about redirects. I'd prefer it if you kept quiet about your claim, unless you feel that it's needed to drive a lynch. I don't see a vote from you? What was the point of that wall? No. I told you to elaborate more on the "things we didn't see and are obviously bad" and focus on someone other than SB, who is one of the easiest lynch options. He isn't the only scummy player here, you know. What do you think about BBM? What do you think about our current situation (regarding scumhunting). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Thing is if SB claims and its some good role then we move on to someone else and the process repeats. This is more or less massclaiming except we're taking a longer time so yeah. So you're going to let him go if his role is good? This makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted November 28, 2012 Author Share Posted November 28, 2012 Votals: SB (3): eclipse, Thomas Raith, Paperblade Paperblade (0): Thomas Raith Thomas Raith (2): Paperblade, Bluedoom, Psych, SB eclipse (1): Kay Bluedoom (1): MancerNecro [spoiler=Voting history]eclipse: SB Thomas Raith: Paperblade > SB Paperblade: Thomas Raith > SB Kay: eclipse Psych: Thomas Raith Bluedoom: Thomas Raith > Unvote SB: Thomas Raith MancerNecro: Bluedoom SB is at L-2! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Oh right, BBM isn't at L-1. Marth unvoted him. ##Vote: BBM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Why do i want massclaiming? Because we won't really lose anything if we massclaim and we don't need to waste time building up wagons on people only for them to claim and then wagoners unvoting( hint hint: Paper and I thought others did too but oh well so did I) And thank you Rapier for repeating my question- you'd think he'd have vigged someone N1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancerNecro Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 The way Shinori expected the track to prove him and have no interference when there is basically confirmed to be a redirect in the game (that would either screw up his target or what his target did and have no way of knowing) was far too confident, which I pointed out when he was flipping out at me. His Blitz hammer was also bad because it ended discussion early for no reason. Also it's not grasping, you did nothing all game except find Blitz scummy and are now trying to lynch me for... doing nothing. @Mancer: Prims and Blitz are confirmed town and are good players, why shouldn't I look at what they thought? And yet people were thinking that Blitz was a horrible player all the way until his lynch and his flip. Is this a buddying attempt on Prims and Blitz? I am going to put a slight FoS on you. Well, to be honest, with our Cop, Watcher and Doc dead (I just reread once through, not all the information has stuck, but I know at least this much right now), mass claiming would not really reveal any precious enough roles that should not be killed by scum. I still am not 100% sure we should mass claim, but if enough people are willing to mass claim, I would not mind joining in. There is however, a problem with mass claiming, and that is that it might be hard to distinguish between real and fake claims. I don't see the wagons and cases on BBM at all. It feels like grasping, cause I find BBM's actions logical and townie (or at the very least neutral). Out of all of those who had jumped on the BBM wagon though, I feel that Rapier is the most scummy/possible scum. Read my thoughts from Day 2. He jumps onto wagons, like mine in Day 2, on Shinori and on BBM right now. He has weak reasonings and has bad arguments. He seems very opportunistic to me, which are subtle scum tells for me. ##Unvote: Bluedoom ##Vote: Rapier I want him to get a stronger case to justify his vote on BBM or remove his vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Rapier, to be fair, Prims also said that he didn't think there was a full-time Doctor itg and look what he flipped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I'm vanilla. After rereading Mancer I'm not sure if I'm just reading wrong or if he's actually scummy, although his last post sounds like chainsaw defense. I don't like how Rapier has expressed that he'd like to lynch me with a fairly easy reasoning, then criticizes someone else (don't know who, he didn't name the quote) (here and here). He also mentions that he's certain he got redirected without claiming his role, or having any reason to say it iirc. Not particularly sure on eliclipse yet, but I don't think that they're worth the the lynch. ##Unvote ##Vote: Rapier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancerNecro Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Chainsaw defense? Also, SB, who do you find scummier, Rapier or me? Vote for the one you find scummier because it seems you found me scummier than Rapier but hopped onto Rapier because I had already voted him (aka jumping onto a wagon on Rapier). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Chainsaw defense = Defending another player by attacking someone else, although it was mostly due to the vagueness of your post, why has BBM been town to you?. I thought the fact I voted him over you implied I thought he was scummier, and I said I was unsure whether you were scummier or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I decided not to shoot Shinori because after the Cop inspect had just flipped town, I wasn't that confident about the idea of Shinori being mafia, and I waffled and decided not to shoot him in the end. I realized later that I probably should have shot him, instead of wasting the town's D2 lynch on him. Which is why, if you remember, I also tried to get the town to focus on somebody other than Shinori on D2, and do something other than just turbolynch him. I was trying to make up for my mistake there. And then I said there probably wasn't a Vig just so that the mafia would be more off guard when I did decide to use my shot. And I think a massclaim would be good too. Like people have said, the town's strongest roles are already dead. At this point we're only going to force the mafia to come up with fakeclaims, which, since it's not MYLO/LYLO, they might not have done yet. BTW, assuming I don't get lynched today, do people want me to shoot anyone tonight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 That SB claim is... eh. There's been a vanilla already, so another one is entirely possible, and probably likely. However, vanilla is also a really easy fakeclaim. My gut would say that if there's another vanilla claim, one of them is probably lying, only because vanillas come in even numbers a lot of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I'd say no, unless we manage to lynch the redirector. Also, I don't think MYLO/LYLO is announced BBM (if it's in the rules I missed it, welp), but it probably isn't gonna be it anyway because of the numbers we have left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancerNecro Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 You will have to shoot someone tonight, BBM. By claiming Vig, you're likely going to be shot tonight by the scum team. You're like the most powerful town role left. I find BBM town because of his interactions with Prims and the other players. He scum hunts and his interactions have given strong reasons for his attacks, whereas your votes on BBM had quite weak reasonings (in my opinion anyway). I also found the main wagon pusher, Paperblade, to have slightly tried to buddy to the flipped town members, so I feel that BBM is not scum. I'm keeping my eye on SB because of his subtle distancing attempt just now. You should make up your mind about whether or not I'm scummy and not say "Not sure about it". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I'd say no, unless we manage to lynch the redirector. Also, I don't think MYLO/LYLO is announced BBM (if it's in the rules I missed it, welp), but it probably isn't gonna be it anyway because of the numbers we have left. Hmm, apparently there is a rule that Manix will not announce MYLO/LYLO conditions. Manix, in future, your rule test needs to be set up in such a way that the person can't just skim through the rules for the exact one they need to answer the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancerNecro Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Also, is it me or is Paperblade active lurking? He comes in, pushes a wagon then disappears. He made some active lurkin posts earlier as well, with almost no (actually, there's none) content at all after that. I believe that the next time Paperblade posts something, he will either active lurk or try to push another wagon. Thoughts on this, town? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Oh, I checked under the wrong section >.> But yeah, I'm fine with everyone claiming here since most are already out in the open, and like Marth said, it's just wasting time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancerNecro Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 So, should I claim right now or we set up an order for claiming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I don't really care who claims first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 But whoever does claim should pick the next person to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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