Radiant Dragon Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 My point is that unlike RD, I actually have provided a correct investigation. He provided one with half-truths just to frame me. My investigation is correct, also. You're just saying it's not because you're Mafia and don't want to be lynched. Look at Bal's role. 0 Stamina BG (OK has a hook on it), 1 Stamina BG and 2 Stamina SG. In comparison, I'm 0 Stamina Investigation and 1 Stamina Self-SG. I have no o ther roles at all. Does it make more sense that the majority would have a one shot investigation that doesn't even determine allegiance or a proper investigator?Seriously think about that. Let's say that me and RD both claimed to pull guilties on each other. Who would you believe by straight virtue of the role? The guy who pulls allegiances (something that the mafia DOESN'T need unless a Wolf exists) or the guy who claims that he only gets roles but not sure of the person's faction? You claim to get a full Role PM with 0 Stamina, while Bal has to use 1 Stamina to not have a drawback. You're role is more likely to be scum not by comparing it to mine (which the Town has no evidence is true either anyway), but by comparing it to the two known roles of our flips. It appears overpowered because Bal and Blitz both have abilities that get better the more stamina they use, while you have a full-powered ability for zero. Also, my ability isn't a one shot, it just costs a lot of stamina, so I need help from Bizz or Scorri to use my ability consistently. I can use it in tandom with my investigation to avoid being hooked or redirected? I dunno, that sounds rather useful if a BG or even a Reverse-Martyr exists. It may just be me, but it doesn't make much sense to me that you're the only player (at least that we've seen so far) that can use two of their abilities in one Cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percivalé Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Iim really mad b ecause the internet still isn't working and I can't do anything like I said I was going to do and uhhhfhghghgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 But he is lying so we're just wasting a cycle. That simple. It's a game of what's logical and he's clearly the logical lynch but people see my name and immediately plaster on false reasons for agreeing with the lynch (didn't Prims and Kay say shit along the lines of "We don't like his content"? That only showed up AFTER RD claimed that I was mafia). Life, I was complained about your unvote during Day 1 before that, don't misrep me, or if you're going to misrep me, at least do it better. You had better be pushing this stupid "You're just lynching me because I'm Life and you all hate me and fear my greatness" thing as a last resort, because if you actually believe it then that's just idiotic. Not buying your claim for a second. I'm sure that a role like that would take at least some stamina, you were, in fact, one of my scumreads anyway, RD hasn't done much that was particularly scummy, and no, it's not logical. Why would RD claim a scumread on you as mafia? It's a one for one trade. Poor play on RD's end? I'm not psychic and this isn't NOC. I don't know what's going through his head and can't find out through a private conversation. So, RD being mafia is logical because he could just be doing stupid things? Sorry but nope. That's a terribad argument. Even if RD might have done that due to being out of practice, his scumbuddies would have talked him out of it. Too much stupid for more than one person to go along with IMO. well technically it means we only have 72 hours to discuss for a C3 lynch instead of the 96 we have now But a lot of discussion will be based on new info. Furthermore, this cycle doesn't have much to go on since it's just follow the cop. Universal Backup and stuff like PGO/BP/etc. mix nicely. What is a universal backup going to do, copy my lack of ability? What's the difference between that and saying vanilla and roleblocker don't mix, or passive roles and watcher/tracker? Just because a universal backup wouldn't want to target you doesn't mean there couldn't be one, unless I'm missing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaoz Posted December 2, 2012 Author Share Posted December 2, 2012 Phase end. No posting please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaoz Posted December 2, 2012 Author Share Posted December 2, 2012 (edited) [spoiler=Votals] Life (7): eclipse, Helios, Kay, Levity, Paperblade, Prims, Radiant Dragon Radiant Dragon (1): Life Not voting: scorri "What the hell is this huge black aura?!" "How about I take you all on by myself" "Y... you can't be serious! We'll show you!!" "Hah. Is that all you got?" "He returned five balls...?" "How about we add another one then?" "A... a sixth shot?! I can't return it!!" Life was lynched. He was... Dear Life, You are Sanada Gen'ichirou. I won't let a single one of you lose during this!! School: Rikkai Dai Fuzoku 3rd Year Court: Court on the cliff Height: 180 cm Weight: 68 kg Dominant Hand: Right Playstyle: All Rounder Signature Technique: FuuRinKaInZanRai Base Stamina: 2 Sportsman Hunt (Cost: 0) You will send one of Mifune's eagles to attack USER and steal their Role PM. The eagles are fast and can neither be tracked nor watched. FuuRinKaInZanRai (Cost: 1) You will use the various parts of FuuRinKaInZanRai, blocking any non-killing action that targets you during this Cycle. Black Aura (Cost: 4) You will reveal the black aura in front of USER1 and USER2, frightening them so much that they cannot post in the game thread for the following Cycle. They may still vote and use actions though. You are allied with the Black Jersey Brigade. You win when all threats to the Black Jersey Brigade have been eliminated. "This isn't over yet!! My glorious evolution won't end here!!" "It's useless. You can't keep up with me." "!!!" "Oy Atobe? Atobe?!" Levity has died. She was... Dear Levity, You are the King of Ice, Atobe Keigo. If captain Atobe is here, everything will be all right. For us, I believe he's a person who inspires unshakable self-confidence. School: Hyoutei 3rd Year Court: 3rd Court Height: 175 cm Weight: 62 kg Handedness: Right Playstyle: All Rounder Signature Technique: Insight Base Stamina: 0 Towards the tiebreak (Cost: 4) You will strengthen everyone's resolve and if a player's Stamina is lower than their Base Stamina at the end of this Cycle, it will become their Base Stamina. You are allied with the U-17 Camp. You win when all threats to the U-17 Camp are eliminated. All results have been sent out. If you feel like you should have gotten a result, but didn't, please say so in your Role PM. It is now Cycle 3. Cycle 3 ends on Wednesday, December 5th, 9:30 PM GMT. Edited December 2, 2012 by Kaoz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I have the stamina to prove my role this cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorri Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 You're welcome for that. Now. We got Life and RD's basically proven town. Bizz is dead and is town which is sad. But, FMPOV we have two sure fire townies, Paper who is quite likely town, and then four others. I'm going to reread and see what I can figure out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 ##Vote: Helios End-of-day Bal vote looks like potential conserving of mislynches. You had just sniped at Paperblade for agreeing with everything a few posts ago; why did you suddenly not consider him to be a viable target now that his wagon was building? Lynching people for information is not lynching people for being scum; town should have weighed which of Paper / Bal were scummier. Pushing weight onto the softclaimed player last minute with little justification seems like an easy set-up for Paper to take the heat the next day, especially given the quickwagon that followed. I agree that Life and Paper make little sense for buddies; Life's Paper vote early this phase was super opportunistic. I'm still thinking Helios is the scums assuming this result is accurate since Life ignored Helios' awkward switch completely to gun for Paper. ##Vote: Helios I'm pretty sure eclipse's claim is legit even though I disagree with the logic behind outing it. In any case, lynch one of Kay/Helios + vig the other should win the game unless scum were given Vanilla as a fakeclaim / there's some weird role =/= alignment going on with scorri. But yeah, they seem like the best options for Life's buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorri Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Prims: And why can't you be allied with Life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Presumably for the same reason you haven't mentioned suspecting yourself this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 That and my role/alignment are really obvious when you think about the PoV of some of my posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helios Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Not sure how my switch from Paper to Life was awkward? Can you explain this better? Last scum using PoE (assuming everyone's claims are true) is between Kay, Eclipse, and Prims. I already explained the case for Kay. I think the way Eclipse handled the Life situation was weird, and I'm not sure how much I believe a vanilla claim in this game. I think Prims is the most town atm out of these three since he poked way too many holes into Life's attempt to stay alive, but then again Prims busses a ton as scum. Not to mention he possibly scumslipped with his interaction with Blitz mid-D1 when Blitz says "Prims don't you normally skim when you're scum?" and Prims replies "I skim when I'm less motivated, which happens when I'm scum". Don't have time to make super cases atm because my dad is about to cuss out the entire family for some reason so this will have to do. ##Vote Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helios Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Also scorri how much stamina do you give someone when you use their role? 1 more? If you use your role on me this phase, and then I use my role next phase, we'll win the game. I'm like the Exodia of mafia basically. If I describe anything more though chances are I will be the NK so I really ask that you all believe me in this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I mean that Life ignored your switch so that he could gun for Paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helios Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 why would he attack me to begin with and not paper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 It's possible we should massclaim just to be sure, but unless scum are like, eclipse/scorri then we can just lynch+shoot this cycle and guarantee at least one scum is down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I see a lot of names that I recognize, so why was I given someone from Yamabuki as flavor for my role? Like, make me Irie or something, because my role trolls everyone else by existing. Whining about myself aside, I do not like Helios' vote post. That's a really graspy reason to suspect Prims. Speaking of Prims, I have a very foggy idea of what he's implying, and if I'm correct, then I'd rather not lynch him. Which means it's one of Helios or Kay. Would like Kay to weigh in on things; Helios already has. ##Vote: Helios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helios Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 >says Prims is the most town out of the three >grasping to suspect him as scum Do you misrep on purpose? You completely missed the point, eclipse. That's a really bad vote on your part and if I'm wrong about Kay then I feel really confident that you're Life's buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 >says Prims is the most town out of the three >grasping to suspect him as scum Do you misrep on purpose? You completely missed the point, eclipse. That's a really bad vote on your part and if I'm wrong about Kay then I feel really confident that you're Life's buddy. How the hell did you parse that out of what I just posted? No, really, because I can't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helios Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 That's a really graspy reason to suspect Prims. because this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 because this? Here, refresher (underline mine). Not sure how my switch from Paper to Life was awkward? Can you explain this better? Last scum using PoE (assuming everyone's claims are true) is between Kay, Eclipse, and Prims. I already explained the case for Kay. I think the way Eclipse handled the Life situation was weird, and I'm not sure how much I believe a vanilla claim in this game. I think Prims is the most town atm out of these three since he poked way too many holes into Life's attempt to stay alive, but then again Prims busses a ton as scum. Not to mention he possibly scumslipped with his interaction with Blitz mid-D1 when Blitz says "Prims don't you normally skim when you're scum?" and Prims replies "I skim when I'm less motivated, which happens when I'm scum". Don't have time to make super cases atm because my dad is about to cuss out the entire family for some reason so this will have to do. ##Vote Kay That looks like a reason to suspect him, and that's what I don't like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Also scorri how much stamina do you give someone when you use their role? 1 more? If you use your role on me this phase, and then I use my role next phase, we'll win the game. I'm like the Exodia of mafia basically. If I describe anything more though chances are I will be the NK so I really ask that you all believe me in this. also I missed this somehow because I'm dumb Doesn't claiming this already kind of put a huge target on your head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant Dragon Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Speaking of Prims, I have a very foggy idea of what he's implying, and if I'm correct, then I'd rather not lynch him. Wish I did... Glad to see I'm not dead though, which is more than I expected given that the Doctor's dead. ##Vote: Helios for now, but what's so believable about eclipse's claim? I don't see why she's considered to be more clear than anyone else for claiming Townie in such a small game where everyone else has two or three abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 eclipse meta on her C1 says she's town and the way she goes "I don't trust Paper's claim because of <reasons>" doesn't really make sense as scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 also ##vote: Helios I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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