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@Scorri:

M1 - Elieson

N2 - Shinori

@Manix: I understand your point, but why would they idle the redirect, instead of just redirecting someone else?

@Manix/Helios: Your case on Kaoz atm is that your action failed when you targeted him, and you claim the flavor is different then, and Kaoz is claiming Tracker, eh? That does seem pretty fishy, but the thing is, everything your saying here is only on your word, we have no proof. The fact that you won't straight up say what your role is, just that its apparently important and that we should look at the softclaims and crap. That sounds pretty scummy to me, unless you gave legit reasons not to claim, which doesn't really seem like it, then your just suspiciously dancing around the subject,

Yes Manix, we could have thought that Helios would out his initial target but Helios here is trying to keep as much information secret as possible.

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Personally, i would like a response to Kaoz before i vote anyone. (Unless something pops up of course.) I do have to agree with Helios case, Kaoz hasn't been the most Pro-Town player, (unless he appaeared out of nowhere D3 and started being awesome, but i doubt that from the way Helios is talking.) but Helios actions with this case is pretty scummy.

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@Manix: I understand your point, but why would they idle the redirect, instead of just redirecting someone else?

Anything is possible I guess. It is a little far-fetched but it's still a possibility.

If they didn't idle the redirect (and they still wanted to fake it) then there would be redirect counterclaims meaning it becomes a 1v1 lynch day (assuming no other redirects)

Yes Manix, we could have thought that Helios would out his initial target but Helios here is trying to keep as much information secret as possible.

Which I honestly don't understand why he is. If you're under fire like this, wouldn't it be logical to out your initial target? (read: Shinori when he was redirected to Elieson)

For a self-proclaimed town, Helios isn't actually going about his cases in a pro-town manner (imo)

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Anything is possible I guess. It is a little far-fetched but it's still a possibility.

If they didn't idle the redirect (and they still wanted to fake it) then there would be redirect counterclaims meaning it becomes a 1v1 lynch day (assuming no other redirects)

I guess that is true, didn't think about that.

Which I honestly don't understand why he is. If you're under fire like this, wouldn't it be logical to out your initial target? (read: Shinori when he was redirected to Elieson)

For a self-proclaimed town, Helios isn't actually going about his cases in a pro-town manner (imo)

Yea, it would be logical to claim when under fire for multiple days straight, too but has he claimed yet? Nope. Unless there is something keeping him from claiming, but i doubt it.

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Ah, I feel so refreshed!

In response to Balcerzak and Manix, we know there's less than three scum alive, since Eclipse hasn't announced LYLO. So there must be at least three deaths before the game finishes, which won't happen until tomorrow evening. Elieson will be able to talk before then, so it's stupid for them to lie about Elieson because he can't contradict them. I'm inclined to trust Kaoz for this reason.

My now problem is why did Kay's action fail on you N2? If we assume safeguard on you, fine. Then why did your action fail N3? Did you run into said theoretical safeguard? My problem with that is that it would make it so that scum has a safeguard and a redirect (pretty much what the case might be from what you're saying) which is quite frankly stupid OP.

I don't think Kaoz being safeguarded necessarily means the safeguard is scum. He could've wanted to keep Kaoz from being redirected so he definitely hits his target.

Based on what Helios said here:

As for the softclaim you were on the right track...I don't want to give too much away otherwise things will be kinda pointless though. I just ask that you bear with me in that regard for a bit.

I think the reason he doesn't want to explicitly claim is that it'd help the mafia identify him. But if he was really redirected, the mafia probably have a good idea of what he is anyway.

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I don't think Kaoz being safeguarded necessarily means the safeguard is scum. He could've wanted to keep Kaoz from being redirected so he definitely hits his target.

I'm fairly sure Kaoz was not safeguarded. For ~reasons~

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we know there's less than three scum alive,

okay hold up for one second there. 6/3 right now is likely (total of 4 scumz) and still wouldn't be LYLO/MYLO.

If that is the case, Elieson has his vote because otherwise it would be MYLO today

something still isn't right here...

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okay hold up for one second there. 6/3 right now is likely (total of 4 scumz) and still wouldn't be LYLO/MYLO.

That's what I said. 6/3 or a H/L ratio, so at least three deaths.

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Okay this is getting a little bit depressing. iirc, we have like 24 hours left and we're nowhere near a lynch. I think we're on track for a universal loss if we don't get into gear.

Honestly, I still want Helios lynched today as a priority. If I had to pick a second/third target it'd be Baldrick then Kay (although ehhhhh I'm really not that sure)

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Here are the votals in case you realllllllly wanted them

Baldrick (1): Balcerzak, Manix

Helios (2): scorri, Manix

Kaoz (1): Helios

Not Voting (4): Kay, Kaoz, Baldrick, Rocker

Unknown (1): Elieson

seriously what the heck guys this is just ugh

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Which rule states we get announcements for MyLo/LyLo. Oh right, it's not there.

I still think we need to lynch Baldrick.

I'm not quite as comfortable about Helios as I was before, but dammit, I don't think he's a priority here. If nothing fucking happens though we're gonna need some claims coming hard and fast from those near the top of the block.

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Which rule states we get announcements for MyLo/LyLo. Oh right, it's not there.

oh right, that's a good point... and that's what I needed for Baldrick. Methinks there's a possible slip there. Let's see if his content reads much the same.

I think Baldrick and Helios should both claim because right now they're likely to be the opposing wagons for the end of phase lynch anyway at this rate.

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(nvm food, this didn't take as long as I would have thought)

You're going to love this. This is what I think is a failed attempt at a bus imo.

There are five people not on my list, because I have analysed them before. One I dismissed as town yesterday, his claim basically proved; one has been proved town beyond all doubt; two have reasonably solid claims to their name. I'll let you work out who remains, I'd rather not let him know I'm watching him.

I thought it would have been obvious enough that I didn't need to name him. Did you read my D2 posts?

It's Helios.

Yeah I did read your D2 posts actually (just then in detail). This is what I got (only the ones that mentioned Helios):

Post One

Post Two

Post Three

Post Four

Post One consists of him voting Helios because of Shinorihook shenanigans.

Post Two consists of him justifying the vote.

Post Three consists of him unvoting because Shinori debunked his theory.

Post Four has him defend Helios.

Honestly this is a big contradiction. His only suspicion on Helios was because of hook shenanigans and literally nothing else. Looking at the remainder of D3 and D4, he literally hasn't pushed Helios at all either.

like seriously this is bad.

I'll look into his vote choices and stuff but we have stuff like Elie/Rocker/Mancer/SB etc

that'll be later.

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##Vote: Baldrick

Still scum.

Also I'll go ahead and claim, since it won't do much harm now. Jack-of-all-trades, basically all I have left is a BPV. Not like I'll get nightkilled anyway, so meh.

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Also I'll go ahead and claim, since it won't do much harm now. Jack-of-all-trades, basically all I have left is a BPV. Not like I'll get nightkilled anyway, so meh.

Hold up a sec

can you be a little more specific about how said BPV works?

and scorri; 1-shot bulletproof or completely bulletproof?

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Hold up a sec

can you be a little more specific about how said BPV works?

and scorri; 1-shot bulletproof or completely bulletproof?

Fullcop, used on Neko :facepalm:

Pseudo-tracker (sees how many players someone visits, and whether their visit is successful), used on Helios

Idled Night 3

As long as I have another ability left, I have a BPV. I lose all my abilities if it's used. There is something that I have left, but it's not that useful and I'd prefer not to claim it.

Another thing is that my abilities were semi-random - I had a number of hints I could prioritize differently at the beginning of the game. So, this might make a role conflict more reasonable.

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