Rocker64 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 @Scorri: M1 - Elieson N2 - Shinori @Manix: I understand your point, but why would they idle the redirect, instead of just redirecting someone else? @Manix/Helios: Your case on Kaoz atm is that your action failed when you targeted him, and you claim the flavor is different then, and Kaoz is claiming Tracker, eh? That does seem pretty fishy, but the thing is, everything your saying here is only on your word, we have no proof. The fact that you won't straight up say what your role is, just that its apparently important and that we should look at the softclaims and crap. That sounds pretty scummy to me, unless you gave legit reasons not to claim, which doesn't really seem like it, then your just suspiciously dancing around the subject, Yes Manix, we could have thought that Helios would out his initial target but Helios here is trying to keep as much information secret as possible. I Personally, i would like a response to Kaoz before i vote anyone. (Unless something pops up of course.) I do have to agree with Helios case, Kaoz hasn't been the most Pro-Town player, (unless he appaeared out of nowhere D3 and started being awesome, but i doubt that from the way Helios is talking.) but Helios actions with this case is pretty scummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 @Manix: I understand your point, but why would they idle the redirect, instead of just redirecting someone else? Anything is possible I guess. It is a little far-fetched but it's still a possibility. If they didn't idle the redirect (and they still wanted to fake it) then there would be redirect counterclaims meaning it becomes a 1v1 lynch day (assuming no other redirects) Yes Manix, we could have thought that Helios would out his initial target but Helios here is trying to keep as much information secret as possible. Which I honestly don't understand why he is. If you're under fire like this, wouldn't it be logical to out your initial target? (read: Shinori when he was redirected to Elieson) For a self-proclaimed town, Helios isn't actually going about his cases in a pro-town manner (imo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker64 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Anything is possible I guess. It is a little far-fetched but it's still a possibility. If they didn't idle the redirect (and they still wanted to fake it) then there would be redirect counterclaims meaning it becomes a 1v1 lynch day (assuming no other redirects) I guess that is true, didn't think about that. Which I honestly don't understand why he is. If you're under fire like this, wouldn't it be logical to out your initial target? (read: Shinori when he was redirected to Elieson) For a self-proclaimed town, Helios isn't actually going about his cases in a pro-town manner (imo) Yea, it would be logical to claim when under fire for multiple days straight, too but has he claimed yet? Nope. Unless there is something keeping him from claiming, but i doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Ah, I feel so refreshed! In response to Balcerzak and Manix, we know there's less than three scum alive, since Eclipse hasn't announced LYLO. So there must be at least three deaths before the game finishes, which won't happen until tomorrow evening. Elieson will be able to talk before then, so it's stupid for them to lie about Elieson because he can't contradict them. I'm inclined to trust Kaoz for this reason. My now problem is why did Kay's action fail on you N2? If we assume safeguard on you, fine. Then why did your action fail N3? Did you run into said theoretical safeguard? My problem with that is that it would make it so that scum has a safeguard and a redirect (pretty much what the case might be from what you're saying) which is quite frankly stupid OP. I don't think Kaoz being safeguarded necessarily means the safeguard is scum. He could've wanted to keep Kaoz from being redirected so he definitely hits his target. Based on what Helios said here: As for the softclaim you were on the right track...I don't want to give too much away otherwise things will be kinda pointless though. I just ask that you bear with me in that regard for a bit. I think the reason he doesn't want to explicitly claim is that it'd help the mafia identify him. But if he was really redirected, the mafia probably have a good idea of what he is anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I don't think Kaoz being safeguarded necessarily means the safeguard is scum. He could've wanted to keep Kaoz from being redirected so he definitely hits his target. I'm fairly sure Kaoz was not safeguarded. For ~reasons~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 we know there's less than three scum alive, okay hold up for one second there. 6/3 right now is likely (total of 4 scumz) and still wouldn't be LYLO/MYLO. If that is the case, Elieson has his vote because otherwise it would be MYLO today something still isn't right here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 okay hold up for one second there. 6/3 right now is likely (total of 4 scumz) and still wouldn't be LYLO/MYLO. That's what I said. 6/3 or a H/L ratio, so at least three deaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 less than 3 scum =/= 3 scum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 That was a typo, I meant three or less. If I thought it was two or less, I would have said at least five deaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helios Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I targeted Rocker last night originally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 okay I think I know what Helios is claiming and tbh I still don't like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker64 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I have absolutely no idea what he is claiming! Yay for incompetence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Okay this is getting a little bit depressing. iirc, we have like 24 hours left and we're nowhere near a lynch. I think we're on track for a universal loss if we don't get into gear. Honestly, I still want Helios lynched today as a priority. If I had to pick a second/third target it'd be Baldrick then Kay (although ehhhhh I'm really not that sure) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 also I almost have half a mind to initiate the massclaim right now because the redirector can't screw up everyone at once (hopefully) but yeah no it's not worth it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Here are the votals in case you realllllllly wanted them Baldrick (1): Balcerzak, Manix Helios (2): scorri, Manix Kaoz (1): Helios Not Voting (4): Kay, Kaoz, Baldrick, Rocker Unknown (1): Elieson seriously what the heck guys this is just ugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Which rule states we get announcements for MyLo/LyLo. Oh right, it's not there. I still think we need to lynch Baldrick. I'm not quite as comfortable about Helios as I was before, but dammit, I don't think he's a priority here. If nothing fucking happens though we're gonna need some claims coming hard and fast from those near the top of the block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Which rule states we get announcements for MyLo/LyLo. Oh right, it's not there. oh right, that's a good point... and that's what I needed for Baldrick. Methinks there's a possible slip there. Let's see if his content reads much the same. I think Baldrick and Helios should both claim because right now they're likely to be the opposing wagons for the end of phase lynch anyway at this rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 you know what? I'm very okay with a Baldrick lynch. something caught my eye on looking at his content which I'll post shortly because I need to make food and stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 (nvm food, this didn't take as long as I would have thought) You're going to love this. This is what I think is a failed attempt at a bus imo. There are five people not on my list, because I have analysed them before. One I dismissed as town yesterday, his claim basically proved; one has been proved town beyond all doubt; two have reasonably solid claims to their name. I'll let you work out who remains, I'd rather not let him know I'm watching him. I thought it would have been obvious enough that I didn't need to name him. Did you read my D2 posts? It's Helios. Yeah I did read your D2 posts actually (just then in detail). This is what I got (only the ones that mentioned Helios): Post One Post Two Post Three Post Four Post One consists of him voting Helios because of Shinorihook shenanigans. Post Two consists of him justifying the vote. Post Three consists of him unvoting because Shinori debunked his theory. Post Four has him defend Helios. Honestly this is a big contradiction. His only suspicion on Helios was because of hook shenanigans and literally nothing else. Looking at the remainder of D3 and D4, he literally hasn't pushed Helios at all either. like seriously this is bad. I'll look into his vote choices and stuff but we have stuff like Elie/Rocker/Mancer/SB etc that'll be later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 ##Vote: Baldrick Still scum. Also I'll go ahead and claim, since it won't do much harm now. Jack-of-all-trades, basically all I have left is a BPV. Not like I'll get nightkilled anyway, so meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Also I'll go ahead and claim, since it won't do much harm now. Jack-of-all-trades, basically all I have left is a BPV. Not like I'll get nightkilled anyway, so meh. Hold up a sec can you be a little more specific about how said BPV works? and scorri; 1-shot bulletproof or completely bulletproof? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 also Kay if you feel it is appropriate, can you please out your targets/abilities? (I remember that Helios was your N2 target so) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 ##Unvote ##Vote: Baldrick yeah I'm pretty sure he's scum as well also I'm so very very very close to solving the game FMPOV I just need a little more info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Hold up a sec can you be a little more specific about how said BPV works? and scorri; 1-shot bulletproof or completely bulletproof? Fullcop, used on Neko Pseudo-tracker (sees how many players someone visits, and whether their visit is successful), used on Helios Idled Night 3 As long as I have another ability left, I have a BPV. I lose all my abilities if it's used. There is something that I have left, but it's not that useful and I'd prefer not to claim it. Another thing is that my abilities were semi-random - I had a number of hints I could prioritize differently at the beginning of the game. So, this might make a role conflict more reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorri Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Manix: I'm 1-shot BP. If I get hit once, I'm vulnerable the rest of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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