a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 now that i think of it, why is rapier's endless going back to my theory and complete ignoring of the timeline considered scummy here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 general scummyness? what fucking general scummyness? theory i discarded ages ago and has been brought back up gazillion time so I answer accordingly? You make no sense Your logic still makes no sense whatsoever. I have read the last 10 pages enoguh to make me want to throw my laptop out the window, and you still haven't made sense. Make some sense, or you may end up the one with the noose around your neck today. Also, people, I go to bed in 2-3 hours, so I miss the last 4-5 hours of the day phase, so I will argue with you as long as necessary until then. Interrogate at will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 did I say is? I meant isnt. anyway. I love to see i make no sense what so ever. anyway, ##Unvote: 13th ##Vote Rapier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 JB and Eclipse aren't scummy per say, just scummier than the people above them. Maybe if I understood why you guys think Sho is mafia? He's been dealing with Rapier misunderstanding him for quite a while and that is the source of him seemingly "tunneling." Eclipse said that he was ignoring the rest of the game, I'm not really sure what she means by that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 now that i think of it, why is rapier's endless going back to my theory and complete ignoring of the timeline considered scummy here? Sho, Sho, Sho. The timeline doesn't matter. We use everything at our disposals to try and find the scum. If it was posted, we can and will use it to make sense, or at least try to make sense, of who is where on the scummy list. Its why people are voting you, and why people are voting me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 JB and Eclipse aren't scummy per say, just scummier than the people above them. Maybe if I understood why you guys think Sho is mafia? He's been dealing with Rapier misunderstanding him for quite a while and that is the source of him seemingly "tunneling." Eclipse said that he was ignoring the rest of the game, I'm not really sure what she means by that. Thank you for a quick reply. But I still want to know what makes them so scummy to you. From what I've seen, except for Kay and maybe Strawman, JB has shown the most towntells of all of us. But the thing is, I think there's two options on Sho here. A) He's misunderstanding Rapier, and that is causing all hell to break loose here B) Rapier is misunderstanding him, and it's causing hell to break loose. Either way, someone misunderstands, hell is breaking loose, and I think it is Sho misunderstanding So as long as Sho makes no sense, and Rapier makes marginal amounts of sense, Sho will have my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 oh for the love of god think about timeline back when I made that wifom of theory there was really no info what so ever and i discarded it the second i got info (13th's claim). Everything at that point was completely random. The only reason the theory is even talked at this point is because rapier keeps bringing it up. If im scummy for this theory then everyone and their mother is scummy too. Notice that my current point is Nighty is inactive and we should think about it. I do pay attention to others but they aren't as scummy to me. (well there is shinori for same reasons as nighty) What am I suppose to do? dig a new theory out of my hat? Hate to tell you but there is nothing to base on in scumdar honey It does not matter WHO claims persuader, it's the fact that you wanted Nightmare lynched to learn about the persuader's intentions, which probably won't say much of anything. And you completely forgot about this post, which came well after 13th's claim You can't keep the reasons why you want Nightmare lynched straight, and you're arguing with the person who read the entire topic to make a summary about when you said stuff. That summary was mostly for me, but the rest of you are free to reference/correct it. Sheesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Thank you for a quick reply. But I still want to know what makes them so scummy to you. From what I've seen, except for Kay and maybe Strawman, JB has shown the most towntells of all of us. But the thing is, I think there's two options on Sho here. A) He's misunderstanding Rapier, and that is causing all hell to break loose here B) Rapier is misunderstanding him, and it's causing hell to break loose. Either way, someone misunderstands, hell is breaking loose, and I think it is Sho misunderstanding So as long as Sho makes no sense, and Rapier makes marginal amounts of sense, Sho will have my vote. rapier makes sense? how exactly. He claims Im scum persuator when the persuator (you) has claimed? seriosly show me where his oh so great sense is because im not seeing it. the whole thing is rapier asks i answer and repeat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 JB has done very little this game. What were his towntells that you got? Personally I don't judge people by "towntells" and "scumtells." Any smart scum can give you towntells and any dumb townie can give you scumtells. Not sure about Eclipse. I can't tell whether she is ignoring the 13th situations or not(My brain is a bit scattered, I apologize). Sho's situation seems the easiest to exploit, which she is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 It does not matter WHO claims persuader, it's the fact that you wanted Nightmare lynched to learn about the persuader's intentions, which probably won't say much of anything. again at that time there was next to no leads. I took the very slim one. I dont see the problem. And you completely forgot about this post, which came well after 13th's claim rapier asks about my old nighty theory and i answer. As i said Rapier is bringing the thing up. I just answer his question. What were I suppose to do? Ignore him? Yeah thats helpfull You can't keep the reasons why you want Nightmare lynched straight, and you're arguing with the person who read the entire topic to make a summary about when you said stuff. That summary was mostly for me, but the rest of you are free to reference/correct it. Sheesh. for the last time I want to pressure him about inactivity, not about wifom made ages ago that i wouldn't even mention if rapier werent asking about it half a billion times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawman Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I guess I didn't do this either. Not sure if it'll really help anything. More town up top and more mafia down low. Eclipse Iris Core 13th Kay Blitz Rein JB Shinori Nightmare Rapier and Sho now that i think of it, why is rapier's endless going back to my theory and complete ignoring of the timeline considered scummy here? I assume you mean isn't considered scummy? I find both of you scummy for very similar things. Yours seems to be more malicious in nature though, iirc. Rapiers seems to be more out of just plain bad logic and some confusion. Thats the main difference. Though I just checked the thread again while reading this and Rapier has a lot to do with you looking scummy. ##Unvote I hate being indecisive uggggh. Neither of you are looking good imo, but I just don't know which looks worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Wait a damn sec. Is the thing thats going here this: 1) Rapier asks about my old theory 2) I answer 3) Rapier thinks I still hold it and argues about it 4) I think the fact that I run 13th lynch makes it obvious I have discarded nighty theory so I argue back in the light things where back when i made the theory 5) me and rapier both missunderstand eachother and it seems that I keep on nighty thing when I discarded it when i voted 13th and mix it with my consern about nighty being untalkative? Is this what is happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 My take on 13th: Vig shot. Next. The problem with taking that kind of lead is that it's indefensible, silly, and looks like you're calling for a mislynch. You can always link backwards, if it's SO much trouble, and you've explained it before. It's bad that you suggested it, and worse when you stuck with it. Regardless, you are STILL pushing for Nightmare to be lynched, even if it is for inactivity. I feel like it's yet another excuse to push the same mislynch, and I don't like it. I want Nightmare to post more, but he's hardly the scummiest person here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 again at that time there was next to no leads. I took the very slim one. I dont see the problem. rapier asks about my old nighty theory and i answer. As i said Rapier is bringing the thing up. I just answer his question. What were I suppose to do? Ignore him? Yeah thats helpfull for the last time I want to pressure him about inactivity, not about wifom made ages ago that i wouldn't even mention if rapier werent asking about it half a billion times You have a point about Rapier asking and asking and asking, but as long as you keep being an idiot about it, we have every right to ask you and ask you and ask you. Like I have said twice now, both in reference to eclipse. No matter what you say about the timeline, we don't need to think about it. It is there only to show order of what happened. If it happened, it may be the evidence we are looking for to get a perfect reason to lynch someone. For example, we may find a reason to lynch Iris or Eclipse from the past 700 posts. (No offense on who I chose there, just an example.) But we may also have been following the wrong leads. So the obvious choice is to find a lead. And the way I find leads is usually finding causes to lynch them. So the obvious lynches are Raymond, Proto, and Life no one. We need to lynch someone, though, because a no-lynch is just another day of waiting for information. So we should all agree on lynching somebody. Iris or mods, votals please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 There are problems with having the vig shoot 13th, but I suppose they are negligible. ho hum ##Unvote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 My take on 13th: Vig shot. Next. The problem with taking that kind of lead is that it's indefensible, silly, and looks like you're calling for a mislynch. You can always link backwards, if it's SO much trouble, and you've explained it before. It's bad that you suggested it, and worse when you stuck with it. Regardless, you are STILL pushing for Nightmare to be lynched, even if it is for inactivity. I feel like it's yet another excuse to push the same mislynch, and I don't like it. I want Nightmare to post more, but he's hardly the scummiest person here. The problem with Vig shot on me is that I have no way to prove myself anything. Maybe a cop will investigate me, we let Sho live, lynch Rapier, and Vig Sho. Just a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I understand your consern. I know Im not in the best light exactly but really, this is silly. we are making a bull out of a fly as as old saying in Finland says. As for what should we do next... I think I spend next quarter of a hour thinking this game and reading old posts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybee Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 JB has done very little this game. What were his towntells that you got? Personally I don't judge people by "towntells" and "scumtells." Any smart scum can give you towntells and any dumb townie can give you scumtells. Not sure about Eclipse. I can't tell whether she is ignoring the 13th situations or not(My brain is a bit scattered, I apologize). Sho's situation seems the easiest to exploit, which she is doing. I'm so sorry I have a shitty timezone, where essentially no one posts because Sho/13th are asleep. Who do you think is least suspicious? I think sho and 13th are the two least suspicious actually. / Just going to point this interesting tidbit out. As far as I can tell, everyone else thinks Sho and 13th are the scummiest players in the game, maybe Blitz in there at the earlier phases of the game. I still think lynching 13th is our best choice. If we're wrong and he's town, then we lose an uninvested persuader who made himself seem very scummy. Lynching 13th gives as much info as lynching Nighty, and I think 13th is more likely to be mafia. good someone agrees It's true that Nighty is playing like he did in FE4 mafia, but I'll stop the meta here. Still, he hasn't exactly shown any scumtells aside from relative inactivity. 13th, on the other hand, has basically been confusing the fuck out of everyone, and again, Town Persuader is not a huge asset, Mafia persuader is always good when dead. sigh. I suppose I havent made myself clear enough. Persuator knows more than us IF he is mafia. Because persuating a vote on someone makes it rather sure that one is not lynched I felt like lynching the target as it might be scumbuddy the persuator tries to protect. I know its a far shot but this is D1 so there is only far shots. also all of this is pointless now because 13th claimed So having a persuaded vote on someone guarantees that person will not be lynched? Am I understanding you correctly? And your only reason for lynching Nightmare is "persuader wants him dead"? Are you fucking serious, Sho? ##Unvote ##Vote Sho Your logic is impeccable, sir, and while I don't think 13th is town, it's certainly a possibility, whereas you are shooting fountains of bullshit from your ass, and II guess that's not a good thing for the town, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 You don't need to prove anything if your are vigshot. Our curiosities of your alignment are instantly quenched. Cop investigations are much less reliable especially if we are planning ahead. Mafia could very well have a framer/lawyer to mess with results. Of course, the same problem exists if the mafia has a method of protection and you are mafia, but as I said, I think that is negligible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 *waits for Sho's explosion* Sho's whole rant was about him NOT wanting to lynch Nighty for that reason anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Maybe the Mafia think me useful as a way to hide, use a protection ability if they have one on me, and use that to frame me as Mafia. Just a possibility. I honestly think Sho is the best lynch here, though. His lack of sense and pulling bullcrap out of every single pore in his body to justify himself is not helping his image here. But I know one major thing. I will not live to see the next day phase. Nothing will help me live past the night phase, unless Nags is really crazy and we have no Vig. That alone would make me wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 HOLY CRAP JB, WHY DID YOU BRING THAT UP, SHO IS GOING TO EXPLODE! But seriously, Sho, this proves it. We can and will use evidence against you. A lot. There's no helping it. If you don't want something used against you, don't say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 So having a persuaded vote on someone guarantees that person will not be lynched? Am I understanding you correctly? how often someone who is target of persuation votes on d1 is lynched d1? Persuator is scummy role so people rather wont follow his will. In other words perusator disencourages people from voting for the target. And your only reason for lynching Nightmare is "persuader wants him dead"? Are you fucking serious, Sho? because it gives info about the intentios of persuator and because I though that persuating does everything but makes nighty likely to be lynched. Of course all this lost its importance when 13th claimed persuator. Only thing why its still discussed is rapier bringing the matter back up again and again and again to the point where me repeating my -yes rather bad theory that I didn't even believe at in that point anymore- answer makes it look like i still wanted to lynch nighty. Did I make myself clear enough? Your logic is impeccable, sir, and while I don't think 13th is town, it's certainly a possibility, whereas you are shooting fountains of bullshit from your ass, and II guess that's not a good thing for the town, is it? May I point out I have been voting 13th ever since he claimed and stopped only at this very page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawman Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 ##Vote Sho Your logic is impeccable, sir, and while I don't think 13th is town, it's certainly a possibility, whereas you are shooting fountains of bullshit from your ass, and II guess that's not a good thing for the town, is it? Read: Wait a damn sec. Is the thing thats going here this: 1) Rapier asks about my old theory 2) I answer 3) Rapier thinks I still hold it and argues about it 4) I think the fact that I run 13th lynch makes it obvious I have discarded nighty theory so I argue back in the light things where back when i made the theory 5) me and rapier both missunderstand eachother and it seems that I keep on nighty thing when I discarded it when i voted 13th and mix it with my consern about nighty being untalkative? Is this what is happening? I looked back and apparently Sho hasn't even had a vote on Nightmare even, iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Simply put 13th, I didn't like most of your posts, BUT a claim of persuader means you aren't gonna blow up on said vig. It would be an interesting way to clear someone else, but it's risky. . .and we can't lynch everyone that's scummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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